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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPublic Mea Culpa: I now support the NRA.
Specifically, the BLACK NRA.
http://www.upworthy.com/ever-wonder-what-a-double-standard-within-a-double-standard-looks-like
With a goal to "arm every young black man in the country, so they can do normal things like wear hoodies, walk in the rain, and buy Skittles," how can I NOT support this fine organization?
Seriously, HOW could I have been so wrong for so long?
Bravo, Sara Silverman and Black NRA. Bravo!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)given what is the top story in the US.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Considering what's been in the headlines for the last 30 years
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I assumed it was more than a few days old.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Well, Trayvon Martin was killed a while ago, so I'm sure his family is *totally* over it.
Please see this thread for my feelings on the ongoing "top story du jour" which contains links to the 246 mass shootings so far THIS YEAR (but only 29 killed 4 or more, and if you only count the ones where people were shot in the double digits, you only get 7!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023682882
Your opinion on the "poor taste" of the post is duly noted; realistically, we haven't had a point for some time where a "mass shooting" hasn't been one of the "top stories."
Except for the Boston Marathon, of course. That was done with pressure cookers.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)3 weeks.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)maybe the shooter won't be black.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)That way, we'll have some proper time to discuss things. Until then, you may need to find a gun site where you can hang out. Right wingers will be more receptive to your pleadings.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Unfortunately, there are multiple gun murders every day in this country
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)The big problem is that most black people live in the big cities where draconian gun laws make it difficult for anyone to own a gun. A black NRA will be fighting exactly the same fights as the NRA and other gun rights groups are fighting, so I don't see the need for a separate organization.
I have no problem with black people owning firearms
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)in many cases, it's willful ignorance.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)If it was tongue in cheek, I missed it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The membership being what it is.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Are black people being prevented from joining or do they just not want to join? Since most black people live in major cities and the laws in those cities make it difficult to own a firearm, I could understand a lack of interest. Other than racial makeup, how would a black NRA be different?
Skittles
(153,160 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The clues were that arming young black men would allow them to live normal lives, and do "normal" things like wear hoodies, walk in the rain, buy Skittles, and live in Florida.
It also calls out the current membership of the NRA because (apparently - I've never been to a meeting) the blinding glow of its whiteness rivals the GOP conventions, with most of its membership terrified of anyone who doesn't look similar to them (hence their need for "protection" .
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)The link is blocked on my work computer
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)A large group of black men went into an "average" gun store and started buying guns? It would be the talk of the town like the "2" black panthers in front of a polling place. Faux would be frantic over why the blacks feel they need that much protection??????
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)NRA Leadership has been arming both sides of the racial divide for a long time.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)PLEASE can we have a gay one?
(What am I talking about, it probably already exists...)
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Well there you go.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I could be wrong - I *thought* I saw something about him being "out" but I do not know him personally.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)... but I assure you that that NRA has no problem with African Americans owning lots of firearms.
And the gun industry will happily sell them.
Clown is Down
(63 posts)Since most black gun violence is against other blacks, even the KKK could get behind this.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)How is the lighting under that bridge?
Since most crimes committed against any person is done by a family member, or someone in their social group, it would only logically follow that FOR ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE, the vast majority of crime will committed by people that look like them.
Don't use right wing racist talking points on DU. They don't go over very well.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Response to MattBaggins (Reply #16)
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MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Clown is Down
(63 posts)I was not agreeing with the violence or the outcome.
I was agreeing that NRA groups and gun companies will gladly sell to anyone. I was attempting to overstate this case by bringing in the KKK and the unfortunate statistics that would make them happy.
I feel the answer to the problem is awareness, education, and economics. Gun control is a political football, not a viable answer.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)I was pointing out the fact that the "90% of black crime is from other blacks", is more oft that not,
the starting point for Bill Orielly style "black culture" bullshit.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)the black panthers armed themselves
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)on gun reform - but we can agree to disagree
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... are hilarious.
Whoooooooooosh!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts).. mr P Bean?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Just a general observation.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bye bye.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)like it's a punishment.
Peek-a-boo... I can see you, but you can't see me.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I didn't think the video was *that* difficult to understand...?
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Get the NAACP and La Raza to push to arm all black and Latino people in the country.
The Republicans will do a heel-turn and push for gun control so fast your head will spin!
Hey, the Black Panthers got Ronald Reagan to ban the import of AK-47s!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)The NRA, and the gun & ammo companies they are a mouthpiece for, will love an arms race. They (being predominantly white) have been arming themselves for the "coming race war" (search references to "Civil War II" or CWII) ever since Obama got elected. They think they can out-buy, out-man, out-gun and out-shoot the {insert vile racial epithet}, in their fantasies of course.
Many of them proclaimed that there would be no election in 2012. Now they are proclaiming that Obama will cancel the 2016 elections on some pretext like the Navy Yard or numerous previous massacres so that he can get a third and fourth term and rule as a dictator.
Regardless of the actual percentages of such believers, the NRA and their companies don't tamp down such speculation since it makes for runs on guns & ammo.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)For the purpose of arming blacks to defend themselves against the klan.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)That's what got Reagan to push for gun control.
spin
(17,493 posts)I suspect they will if and when they feel truly threatened.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)mopinko
(70,102 posts)is because of the black panthers and the '68 riots.
elias7
(3,999 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I made some right-wingers real uncomfortable by saying I believe we should arm everyone in poor and minority neighborhood with AK-47s and maps to the wealthy suburbs. "Lets see how that Ayn Rand philosophy works out for ya now! Guess you should reconsider raising the minimum wage and public assistance."
Obviously I was playing on their "insecurities". They never found it funny though...
spin
(17,493 posts)If the NRA is opposed to Blacks and Hispanics being armed, why does it support "shall issue" concealed carry?
It would seem logical that if the leadership of the NRA was racist, they would support "may issue" concealed carry. "May issue" offers more opportunity for local authorities to discriminate against minorities who wish to legally carry a concealed handgun.
Concealed carry in the United States
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Shall-Issue
A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause". The laws in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction typically state that a granting authority shall issue a permit if the criteria are met, as opposed to laws in which the authority may issue a permit at their discretion.
Typical permit requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee. These requirements vary widely by jurisdiction, with some having few or none of these and others having most or all.
***snip***
May-Issue
A May-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and where the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities (frequently the sheriff's department or police), with a few states consolidating this discretionary power under state-level law enforcement. The law typically states that a granting authority "may issue" a permit if various criteria are met, or that the permit applicant must have "good cause" (or similar) to carry a concealed weapon. In most such situations, self-defense in and of itself often does not satisfy the "good cause" requirement, and issuing authorities in some May-Issue jurisdictions have been known to arbitrarily deny applications for CCW permits without providing the applicant with any substantive reason for the denial.
May-Issue can be compared to Shall-Issue where in a May-Issue jurisdiction, the burden of proof for justifying the need for a permit rests with the applicant, whereas in a Shall-Issue jurisdiction the burden of proof to justify denying a permit rests with the issuing authority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
billh58
(6,635 posts)rushing to the defense of the NRA over a satirical piece. Priceless.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)After they got started they began to standardize their armament on M-1 carbines which were purchased through the NRA, as was the ammo.