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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:05 PM Sep 2013

Driverless will replace between 5 and 25 million pro drivers within a few yrs.

The first phase will require driver pretend people to placate local officials they are safe. These of course will be min wage jobs. Another causality of the Cyber-era.

Would you ride in a NY Taxi without a driver?

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Driverless will replace between 5 and 25 million pro drivers within a few yrs. (Original Post) CK_John Sep 2013 OP
I have serious doubts that the claims made in the OP will come to fruition any time soon. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #1
Check out pbs article on California law to allow driveless cars. CK_John Sep 2013 #7
"Popular Mechanics" has an article on this very issue, in this month's issue krispos42 Sep 2013 #14
"by using cameras to identify the lines on the road" KamaAina Sep 2013 #21
And it never snows... krispos42 Sep 2013 #39
Snow? What's that? KamaAina Sep 2013 #40
As discussed the following article what is likely to happen first (and can happen soon in the US) PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #16
Tesla Is Working To Build A Driverless Car Running On 'Auto-Pilot' Within The Next 3 Years dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #19
Google Taxi KamaAina Sep 2013 #24
I see it as a benefit BKH70041 Sep 2013 #2
Oh.MY.Gawd. Bay Boy Sep 2013 #31
No, it won't. Until dedicated highways are built, it's not happening. MineralMan Sep 2013 #3
I don't think that will be necessary... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #33
That is not why. MineralMan Sep 2013 #36
I hope the automatic taxi driving systems are imported from a wide range of countries jberryhill Sep 2013 #4
I'd like to see lots of the amateur drivers of SUV's, pickups and cars replaced Ron Green Sep 2013 #5
Here's this.. Koko Ware Sep 2013 #6
Will there be driverless cars in NASCAR? Tom_Foolery Sep 2013 #8
That might be fun -- change Bristol Motor Speedway to a half-mile oval slot car track. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #9
Having ridden in some NYC taxis with drivers I'm amenable to a driverless replacement. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #10
And how much will this sensing and control system add to the price of the vehicle? 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #11
About 5 or 6 smart Phones worth of electronics, plus markup of course. CK_John Sep 2013 #34
Article on driverless trucks... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #12
Really interesting, thanks...nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #13
I cannot wait for the time hfojvt Sep 2013 #15
What happens when a the car gets a "network error" or "blue screen of death"? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #17
14 Lawyers get to buy new beach-houses. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #22
Probably. HappyMe Sep 2013 #23
See airplanes Sgent Sep 2013 #18
Big downside to that revealed, tho dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #20
Only at that one airport KamaAina Sep 2013 #26
No. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #25
where did those numbers come from? Enrique Sep 2013 #27
How many trucks do you think there are per state? Check with your state dmv CK_John Sep 2013 #28
no thanks Enrique Sep 2013 #29
We've had them for planes for years Politicalboi Sep 2013 #30
(citation needed) (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #32
Folks who don't lordsummerisle Sep 2013 #35
Over the road truck drivers will be affected the most then when texting is cut off CK_John Sep 2013 #38
No. It will only be a matter of time before Skynet goes active. Rex Sep 2013 #37

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. I have serious doubts that the claims made in the OP will come to fruition any time soon. n/t
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:09 PM
Sep 2013

-Laelth

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
14. "Popular Mechanics" has an article on this very issue, in this month's issue
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 02:37 PM
Sep 2013

I think it's called "When Can I Let Go of the Wheel?"


Cadillac is planning on introducing SuperCruise Control in 2017 or 2018; in the story the author test-drives it. The system keeps the car in the lane entirely automatically by using cameras to identify the lines on the road. It also maintains separation between vehicles. I think in a test it was able to brake sharply and swerve to avoid hitting an object.

With cheap radar, sonar, and cameras, cheap computing power to process the information, and very accurate GPS units, I can see this becoming an option on luxury cars within a decade. The driver would simply monitor the car as it drives itself.

A decade after that, the first completely self-driving cars will be available.



What remains to be solved it the legalities of what happens when a computer-controlled car crashes, and how ethical choices will be made during emergencies.


For example, a little kid darts out into traffic, too close for the computer-controlled car to stop even with lightening-fast reflexes. The car swerves sharply and crashes into a car in the adjoining lane. Who's at fault for the injuries and damages incurred?

What happened when a deer or other four-footed animal jumps in front of a car? What is the flowchart of decisions?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. "by using cameras to identify the lines on the road"
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:45 PM
Sep 2013

Of course, it is a Cadillac, so it presumably will be driven only in areas where such lines are actually maintained.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
16. As discussed the following article what is likely to happen first (and can happen soon in the US)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

is single driver truck convoys...

http://www.techhive.com/article/2046262/the-first-driverless-cars-will-actually-be-a-bunch-of-trucks.html

Suppose Walmart has 3 trucks that need to go to a certain store. They only need a driver in the lead truck,
the other 2 trucks can automatically follow the first.




dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. Tesla Is Working To Build A Driverless Car Running On 'Auto-Pilot' Within The Next 3 Years
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:31 PM
Sep 2013

Reuters) - Electric car company Tesla Motors is working to produce a car capable of running on "auto-pilot" within the next three years, CEO Elon Musk said, joining tech giant Google and rival carmakers in the race to roll a driverless car into the market.

The California-based company's autonomous car would allow the driver to hand 90 percent of the control of the car over to the vehicle's computer system, Musk said in an interview with the Financial Times newspaper.

Fully autonomous cars would take longer to develop, he said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-driverless-cars-elon-musk-2013-9

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. Google Taxi
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:47 PM
Sep 2013

would make it possible to live without owning a car. Without the driver, it'd be a lot cheaper than taxis are today.

And if enough people shed their cars, parking lots get converted into parkland. Or affordable housing. And think of all the garages waiting to become in-law units (as is already happening, illegally, in SF).

BKH70041

(961 posts)
2. I see it as a benefit
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Sep 2013

Currently, the only time I'm able to take a nap in the car while driving is when the road is straight and I have the car pointed straight.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. No, it won't. Until dedicated highways are built, it's not happening.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

And there's no money to fix the current highways, so you're not going to see this for a very long time.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
33. I don't think that will be necessary...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:24 PM
Sep 2013

...it's not like they are imbedding anything into the pavement.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. I hope the automatic taxi driving systems are imported from a wide range of countries
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013

...and not just China.

One of the upsides of taking taxis is that you can learn a lot about so many different countries.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
5. I'd like to see lots of the amateur drivers of SUV's, pickups and cars replaced
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

with professional drivers of trains and buses.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
9. That might be fun -- change Bristol Motor Speedway to a half-mile oval slot car track.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:54 PM
Sep 2013

Your admittance ticket allows you to control your favorite car for, say, ten minutes. But if you jump the track, you (and your pit crew) are the ones who have to run out there and put it back in the slot.

Less gas (but probably a lot more electricity), fewer injuries (if you're nimble), and a true sense of involvement. What's not to love?

It could be as big as full-contact baseball!

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
11. And how much will this sensing and control system add to the price of the vehicle?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

In a country were we won't repave the roads its hard to immagine the work being done to prepare for the automated vehicles and then its even harder to immagine commercial users being willing to spend the money for the vehicle systems that will of necessity be required. Oh, and what about insurance costs - who would assume the liability for machinery failure?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
17. What happens when a the car gets a "network error" or "blue screen of death"?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

Oh, everyone inside dies when it crashes into another driverless car

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
18. See airplanes
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:10 PM
Sep 2013

modern jets are essentially fully automated, from just after takeoff to flaring the plane and decelerating after touchdown.

The highest paid people outside of executives in the airline industry are the pilots.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. Big downside to that revealed, tho
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:38 PM
Sep 2013

Remember the jet that landed short of runway and tail broke off, recently?

Turns out, one of the problems turned out to be that because there ARE computer/auto pilot systems, the pilots were being trained more as computer operators than actually being able to fly a plane.
The FAA quickly announced 2 things few days after the crash:
1. Pilots and co-pilots training hours had to increase from 250 to 1500 ( I may be off on the exact numbers, but the ratio is accurate)
2. Auto pilot landings were now a no-no. Gotta do it manually.

So, let's think a moment about how we train people to drive
and then think about what happens in a second or 2 on any freeway........
add 1/2 inch of snow

Watch insurance premiums climb.
Followed by lawsuits.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
26. Only at that one airport
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:50 PM
Sep 2013
2. Auto pilot landings were now a no-no. Gotta do it manually.


SFO is notoriously tricky to land in, seeing as how its runways jut out into the Bay, where winds are high enough that yesterday's sailing races were canceled.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
25. No.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:49 PM
Sep 2013

People who think this is going to happen don't really understand that drivers do more than make a vehicle go places.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
28. How many trucks do you think there are per state? Check with your state dmv
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:05 PM
Sep 2013

and get actual numbers.

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
35. Folks who don't
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:19 PM
Sep 2013

Like to fly often say they don't like the loss of control they experience while flying. I can't imagine them ceding control in a car...



CK_John

(10,005 posts)
38. Over the road truck drivers will be affected the most then when texting is cut off
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:16 PM
Sep 2013

unless the auto is on auto the hoards will join in.

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