If ya' see someone carrying a gun in public

[flamin lib]

just sidle up next to 'em and say, "Not gettin' any, are ya'?"

[Hoyt]

1. Be careful, lots of toters are paranoid and might reach for their gun claiming they felt threatened.

Otherwise, I agree with the thought.

[CreekDog]

18. looks like someone shot the alert button on the OP:

At Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

If ya' see someone carrying a gun in public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023690704

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

What good will it do anyone to confront someone in public with an insult? Advocating someone to do this is just asking for trouble.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:59 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Address your concerns to the poster and stop alerting on Asinine posts. Simple, no?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Does the alerter think that a hypothetical statement that might offend someone in the general public is against DU community standards? Too bad, because unless it's related to race, gender, or other intrinsic factors, I don't. I find it funny that the gun advocates are among the most abrasive members of DU, but are the most thin skinned when it comes to any criticism or joking about their "precious" --guns.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Of course this is bad advice ... no one should sidle up to a gun toting lunatic .... I don't think this was meant to be taken as serious advice. I am assuming it was "said" tongue in cheek
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: This should be a discussion board - not an insult board.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: First of all, it is dangerous advice. Second of all, this is just stirring trouble.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Call Me Wesley]

40. 3-3 is close.

Guess some really took it as an insult. Pew pew.

[dionysus]

2. ... and get shot by some dumbass zimmerman type.... no thanks. nt

[Logical]

3. Police included? nt

[MindPilot]

4. Call 911 & report a person with a gun.

After you give the address, explain that you feel it is too dangerous to stay in the area and hang up.

[MillennialDem]

9. Excellent idea.

[sarisataka]

12. Do consider...

Filing a false police report can lead to multiple criminal consequences. Many states call this charge "false report to a peace officer." It is one of the few types of speech that is not constitutionally protected. Lying to a law enforcement officer can result in a criminal conviction.

Depending on where you live and the extent of the deception, the criminal charge of filing a false police report can either be a misdemeanor or a felony. Cases that cause less inconvenience to police and other authorities tend to be classified as misdemeanors, while people who create greater confusion or harm by filing a false police report may face felony charges.

Charges

What is considered filing a false police report will vary slightly by state, but it’s generally what the name implies—lying to the police. Most people pick up a filing of a false report charge by make affirmative statements that are clearly false. For example, saying that your husband hit you as leverage to be used in a divorce, when he never committed an assault. This isn't an uncommom example. However, filing a false report can also arise out of material omissions which create a false impression.

http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/white_collar_crimes/false-police-report.htm

[MillennialDem]

13. How is "there is a person with a gun and I feel scared" a false statement?

[Robb]

15. It's not. This is another attempt to intimidate.

[sarisataka]

20. As I advise those who carry guns

to not carry in posted areas to avoid breaking the law, I advise those recommending breaking a law to report a man with a gun to reconsider their actions. You are free to do as you wish.

[Robb]

23. Again, reporting a man with a gun is not against the law, anywhere.

[sarisataka]

24. No it is not

and you can report every single one. But if you imply he (or she) is acting in a dangerous manner it is moving beyond legal.

Why could you not say "there is a man with a gun in Starbucks. He is sitting at a table in a crowded restaurant."? Is that not factual? You have reported the man and what he is doing. Police may come and check with management to see if they would like him removed.

[Lee-Lee]

27. And if you develop a pattern of calling 911

Every time you see a gun, just because you saw it, the first time you will probably get a call back explaining what you saw was legal and not to call unless there is an actual crime or emergency.

Keep doing it, you may find yourself charged with misuse of 911.

I dealt with a woman who was convinced her neighbors were speeding and endangering her kids. So he called 911 every time they got in the car because they might speed. That plan wasn't so bright, and this idea is about as foolish.

[Robb]

30. No one is suggesting lying to police.

If the armed man is acting in a threatening manner while displaying his weapon, call police immediately.

[sarisataka]

35. If threatening, definately

having a pistol in the hand, out of a holster is good enough for me. Hostile attitude while openly carrying- go ahead and call just know I've probably already called.

I simply point out that implying that which is not there may backfire.

[HERVEPA]

28. Well gee, thanks for letting me to be free to do as I wish

If I see a guy carrying a gun openly, I consider it dangerous. No fucking reason to be doing that, legal or not.
At best, it's just a jerk. At worst, a lot worse.

[sarisataka]

39. You are welcome,

may I assume you will return the favor?

Are there other legal activities that you feel people have no fucking reason to do that and call the police when you see them doing it?

[HERVEPA]

44. I'll get back to you on that.

[sarisataka]

16. The poster said

"it is too dangerous to stay in the area" If said gun carrier has a holstered gun and is reading the paper while drinking a cuppajoe, that IMO is giving a false impression.

real world result of a person trying to communicate that someone had a gun and did so poorly http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172131601

[rdharma]

32. You call 911....... not hand a note to the bank teller and say gun.

In any event, that guy is gonna' walk.

"He was released on a promise to appear in court Sept. 25. Gursky declined to comment on Monday"

a) A person is guilty of breach of the peace in the second degree when, with intent to cause inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk ...

[sarisataka]

37. I would inform security or a manager

verbally, unless he is pulling a stocking over his head. Then I would call 911.

You are likely correct, proving intent will be difficult and probably there was no intent to alarm. Still I have better things to do with my time and money than waste it in court over a misunderstanding.

[GeorgeGist]

33. Lying to make a point is a RW tactic.

what the poster said was "explain that you feel it is too dangerous to stay in the area and hang up."

[sarisataka]

36. So where is the lie?

explain that you feel it is too dangerous to stay in the area and hang up.

I quoted the bold section. Now if the poster meant "I'm here, there is a man with a gun. he is eating a Big Mac and large fries. I feel it is too dangerous to stay here, bye <click>" that did not come through.

The implication was to say the man is doing something dangerous, other than carrying the gun, to insure a police response. If I am mistaken, the poster may jump in and correct my understanding.

[Lee-Lee]

41. And if you just "explain that you feel it is too dangerous to stay in the area and hang up."

Without giving details, you will find your phone is ringing as soon as you hang it up with the dispatcher wanting details.

Refuse to answer, you will be getting calls from the officer later. And that officer will not be happy because you made a very vague "man with a gun call" and then refused to provide more details, leaving them very much in the dark as to what is really happening, and perhaps causing them to respond in a way that puts a lot more people at risk- a lights and sirens emergency response and then a high risk entry because the only info they got was "man with a gun". And that diverts officers from other, legitimate, calls for service.

It will be pretty easy to see what you did, and probably not end well for you. If nothing else your number might well get flagged as one that has made bogus calls, and that might color the response if you have a legitimate emergency later.

[doc03]

19. That would give them a woody, that is their objective. Hey look at me

I am a big man I can carry a gun, it's my right.

[DonP]

5. Only if you have some free time and a good lawyer handy with bail money

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172131601

[HappyMe]

6. Nope.

I would just get the hell away from them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. If you are alarmed, leave call 911

These folks are already unhinged

[srican69]

8. Stupid advise ... people who carry guns aren't normal ... so why tempt fate?

[TroglodyteScholar]

10. I prefer to just show my hands in order to establish that I'm not a threat..

Maybe toss in a, "Don't shoot! I'm unarmed!"

[sarisataka]

11. If I say anything

it is usually "Hi"

[madinmaryland]

14. "Don't shoot me, bro!"

[NightWatcher]

17. I stay away. Odds are they don't know how to handle it

[msongs]

21. stand your ground against people flashing guns. they are a potential threat ya know nt

[ileus]

22. normally I just give them a nod

And make a comment on their rig.

Most OCers have invested good money in a belt and holster worthy of OC. It's nice to see what gear other people buy and if possible ask a few questions.

[MineralMan]

25. I just ignore them.

I figure the guy is not going to bother anyone with his firearm. I'll note where the person is, though.

The guys doing open carry, I move away from or leave the area. They're making a statement with their open carry, and I'm not interested in their statement.

I know enough to leave a bar if it turns out to be full of angry looking people. I can spot it right away. I just go somewhere else, because I'm not interested in dealing with such people. I've left many bars because of that.

I treat open carry advocates the same way. I'm not going to deal with them at all, so I just turn and go, unless there is a very important reason for me to be at that place. I know what message they're sending, and I want no part of it. It's a message I disagree with.

The concealed carry folks that I can see are carrying are doing it wrong. I shouldn't know they're armed. That's why the word is "concealed." There are a few people with CCW permits who subtly manage to display the fact that they're carrying. They're trying to send a message too. I ignore their message, but note where they are in the place.

[mainer]

26. Walk away while shaking your head

And muttering to others "another crazy person. Let's leave."

[pintobean]

29. Why would I presume

to know anything about a stranger's sex life?

And why should I care?

[notadmblnd]

31. Naw, I think I'll just leave the space they're attempting to share with me.

IMO, people that carry in public are people that are just looking for trouble and I don't want to be anywhere near them when they eventually find it.

I think if people treated gun toter's like the pariahs they are, eventually they would get tired of being alone and leave their guns at home.

[csziggy]

38. I'd leave - then call the business and explain that I left because of the gun toter

And any purchases I intended to make were lost revenue to them because of some gun carrying person they allowed in their store.

If a business learns that allowing gun toters in their store is costing them revenue, they may decide to prohibit carrying guns in their establishment.

[Buns_of_Fire]

34. I ignore them. Attention is what they want.

Besides, I figure it might raise that little doubt in their mind that I might be carrying, too -- and I might be a better shot.

[Brickbat]

42. Any what?

[Skittles]

43. taunting paranoid cowards probably not a good thing