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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:47 AM Sep 2013

Breaking: Obama administration moving ahead with limits on emissions from power plants

Breaking: Obama administration moving ahead with limits on emissions from power plants

by VL Baker

A year after a plan by President Obama to limit greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants set off angry opposition, the New York Times breaks the news that the administration will announce on Friday that it is pressing ahead with enacting the first federal carbon limits on the nation’s power companies.

The proposed regulations, to be announced at the National Press Club by Gina McCarthy, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, are an aggressive move by Mr. Obama to bypass Congress on climate change with executive actions he promised in his inaugural address this year. The regulations are certain to be denounced by House Republicans and the industry as part of what they call the president’s “war on coal.”

In her speech, Ms. McCarthy will unveil the agency’s proposal to limit new gas-fired power plants to 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions per megawatt hour and new coal plants to 1,100 pounds of carbon dioxide, according to administration officials who were briefed on the agency’s plans. Industry officials say the average advanced coal plant currently emits about 1,800 pounds of carbon dioxide per hour.

“New power plants, both natural gas and coal-fired, can minimize their carbon emissions by taking advantage of modern technologies,” Ms. McCarthy will say Friday, according to her prepared remarks. “Simply put, these standards represent the cleanest standards we’ve put forth for new natural gas plants and new coal plants.”

Great news that administration is ready to fight opposition, which is expected from the republicans and fuel industry supporters.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/20/1240127/-Breaking-Obama-administration-moving-ahead-with-limits-on-emissions-from-power-plants


EPA chief tells Grist what coal will have to do to survive in a “carbon-constrained” future

By Lisa Hymas

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Under draft rules being announced this morning, new coal power plants will have to be a whole lot cleaner than the ones we’ve got today. In fact, thanks also to market conditions, new coal plants might not get built at all. Perhaps most important, the draft rules lay the foundation for a bigger move to cut emissions from already-existing coal-fired power plants, a plan due to be unveiled in June 2014.

In an interview with Grist, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said the proposed regulations for new plants are not intended to push coal out of the energy mix. Still, the standards are pretty strict. The EPA had released an earlier version of them in March of last year, then decided to rework them, but this new set of regs still takes a hard line with coal.

The proposal calls for any coal power plants built in the future to emit under 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour — considerably less than coal plants emit today, which is about 1,800 pounds on average. The rules are more stringent than some had expected; observers had been saying that they might come in at 1,300 or 1,400 pounds per megawatt-hour. (The draft rules set a limit for natural-gas plants, too — 1,000 pounds for large facilities — but new gas plants already pollute less than that. Some advocates had hoped the EPA would push the gas standard down to 800 pounds per megawatt-hour.)

<...>

These new rules are the first big piece of the climate plan President Obama laid out in a speech in June, one of the steps the administration can take without cooperation from Congress.

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http://grist.org/climate-energy/epa-chief-tells-grist-what-coal-will-have-to-do-to-survive-in-a-carbon-constrained-future/


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Breaking: Obama administration moving ahead with limits on emissions from power plants (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2013 OP
Your post titles are too boring... BootinUp Sep 2013 #1
Obama attacks coal!!!! ProSense Sep 2013 #3
Love ya! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #4
and coal is Black! Traitor, says whathisface Cornell! Whisp Sep 2013 #10
Worst corporate stooge ever Skraxx Sep 2013 #2
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #5
Wind is cheaper. And zero emissions. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #6
DOE: U.S. Wind Energy Production and Manufacturing Reaches Record Highs ProSense Sep 2013 #7
Awesome Gfx! Wind at 4 cents/kWh, grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #17
It causes cancer and kills birds. treestar Sep 2013 #19
Keep believing the mythology. RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #21
Not to mention the wind spills, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #32
And flying turbine blades are a menace to communities...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #38
O that's right treestar Sep 2013 #39
Related. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #8
Al Gore: New EPA rule puts U.S. on path to solve climate crisis proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #9
K&R. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #11
So very little, and so very late. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #12
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2013 #13
Good. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #14
Coal is king sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #15
Can these standards be met by increasing efficiency or do they require carbon capture? FarCenter Sep 2013 #16
Utilities will have to use gas or renewable sources because of the cost of sequestration Kolesar Sep 2013 #27
"any coal power plants built in the future to emit under 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour" FarCenter Sep 2013 #28
There is also a standard for natural gas (1000 lbs), but that is easily met. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #30
This will pretty much guarantee the rapid exhaustion of natural gas for home heating FarCenter Sep 2013 #31
Ahhh, Natural Gas, so clean...what? There's other dirty "costs" in getting "Natural" gas? What? drynberg Sep 2013 #35
Jesus Malverde didn't say anything like that...eom Kolesar Sep 2013 #48
Carbon capture is a farce RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #42
That's only because we held his feet to the fire! treestar Sep 2013 #18
reminder to read later/ no text OldEurope Sep 2013 #20
Too little, too late. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #22
Wouldn't it be great if ProSense Sep 2013 #23
Which is why I said what I did. RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #37
Congratulations Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #36
Yeah, if I won that prize RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #40
LOL! Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #43
Now see Aerows Sep 2013 #24
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #25
Credit where credit is due. dawg Sep 2013 #26
This is great news! blackspade Sep 2013 #33
"Clean coal"!! raindaddy Sep 2013 #34
Silly rabbit. RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #41
Good start, lets see the enforcement. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #44
K&R nt Andy823 Sep 2013 #45
I'd say "Cue the Obama haters to try and spin this as something bad." baldguy Sep 2013 #46
LOL Scurrilous Sep 2013 #47

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. DOE: U.S. Wind Energy Production and Manufacturing Reaches Record Highs
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sep 2013
DOE: U.S. Wind Energy Production and Manufacturing Reaches Record Highs

by Magnifico

For the first time ever, wind power was the #1 source of new electricity generation in the United States last year.

Wind energy is now the fastest growing source of power in the United States – representing 43 percent of all new U.S. electric generation capacity in 2012 and $25 billion in new investment...

In the first four years of the Obama Administration, American electricity generation from wind and solar power more than doubled.

This upbeat assessment comes from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), which released two new reports on America's wind energy production and manufacturing.

Nine states rely on wind power for more than 12 percent of their annual energy consumption, with Iowa, Kansas, and South Dakota exceeding a 20 percent share. For the past two years, "the price of wind under long-term power purchase contracts averaged just 4¢ per kilowatt hour."

Installed wind power capacity doubled from 2011, but such dramatic growth is in jeopardy because production tax credits are expiring.



As the graphic above illustrates, America’s wind industry is booming. In 2012, over 13 gigawatts of new wind power capacity was added to the U.S. grid – nearly double the wind capacity deployed in 2011. This tremendous growth helped us surpass 60 gigawatts of total capacity at the end of 2012 – enough capacity to power all the homes in California and Washington State combined. As energy production goes, so does manufacturing. The 2012 Wind Technologies Market Report estimates that 72 percent of the wind turbine equipment – including towers, blades and gears – installed in the U.S. last year was made in America. This growth in domestic wind manufacturing is creating thousands of new jobs across the country. Industry estimates the wind sector employs more than 80,000 American workers across a variety of sectors, including finance, engineering, construction and project development.

As part of the report, the Energy Department released an interactive map that shows the growth of wind farms across the U.S. from the first wind farm in southern California in 1975 that could power 4,149 to the growth of wind farms across much of the U.S. in 2013 where 815 wind farms produce enough electricity to power to 15 million homes.

Here are some screen grabs of the map showing the spread and growth of wind farms across the U.S. in 1975, 1990, 2000, 2008, and 2012:

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Wind power generation is also becoming more diversified. Led by local school districts and farmers, Americans installed 175 megawatts of private wind turbines last year that increased their energy independence from utility company rates. This $410 million investment was a 62 percent increase over 2011. Most turbines installed were on towers just under 100 feet and generated 100 kilowatts of power or less. California, Iowa, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin led the way in growing distributed capacity.

Although "America's wind energy capacity has increased more than 22-fold since 2000," there is still a long way to go however for a truly sustainable energy future in the US. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, for 2011 capacity for renewable power (including wind) was 62 GW, compared to 318 GW for coal-burning power.

"Wind energy projections for future years are uncertain, due in part to policy uncertainty," according to the DoE. The Obama administration wants Congress to pass an extension of the production tax credit. "The wind sector’s growth underscores the importance of continued policy support and clean energy tax credits to ensure that wind manufacturing and jobs remain in America."

2013 is predicted to be a slow year for new capacity additions with a robust pick-up in 2014. Wind capacity projections beyond 2015 are uncertain.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/06/1229378/-DOE-U-S-Wind-Energy-Production-and-Manufacturing-Reaches-Record-Highs








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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
17. Awesome Gfx! Wind at 4 cents/kWh,
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:22 PM
Sep 2013

natural gas $0.09; coal $0.06, clean coal $0.11; nuclear $0.08; biomass $0.07; solar $0.15-0.21....

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
9. Al Gore: New EPA rule puts U.S. on path to solve climate crisis
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:24 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/epa-rule-climate-change-al-gore-97122.html#ixzz2fU1Dye4f

Al Gore: New EPA rule puts U.S. on path to solve climate crisis
By ANDREW RESTUCCIA | 9/20/13 11:25 AM EDT


Former Vice President Al Gore said EPA’s regulations for future power plants are a major step toward putting the United States “on the path toward solving the climate crisis.”

“Today’s announcement by EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy is an important step forward for our nation and our planet. From now on, future coal- and gas-fired power plants must take responsibility for their global warming pollution by reducing or capturing their overall emissions,” Gore, a vocal advocate for action on climate change, wrote on his blog Friday.

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sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
15. Coal is king
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:39 AM
Sep 2013

where I live, and you have the choice of kissing its ass or kicking it. That's all there is to it. Compromise is not an option. Good work Mr. president.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
16. Can these standards be met by increasing efficiency or do they require carbon capture?
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:59 AM
Sep 2013

If they can be met by increased plant efficiency, then good.

But carbon capture and sequestration has not been proven to work or to work economically.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
27. Utilities will have to use gas or renewable sources because of the cost of sequestration
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:52 PM
Sep 2013

Between coal fuel costs, and the unworkable carbon capture technology, coal has no future. Responsible utilities would put money into efficiency.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
28. "any coal power plants built in the future to emit under 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour"
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:55 PM
Sep 2013

The regulation is regarding coal fired plants, not ones fired by natural gas.

So you are saying that the regulations in effect prohibit new coal fired plants?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
30. There is also a standard for natural gas (1000 lbs), but that is easily met.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:13 PM
Sep 2013

I don't believe there's technology to get a production size coal plant to under 1100 pounds, effectively putting them out of business.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
35. Ahhh, Natural Gas, so clean...what? There's other dirty "costs" in getting "Natural" gas? What?
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:07 AM
Sep 2013

Well, natural gas is natural, but most of it is way down under aquifers, so to get it we gotta use Hydraulic Fracturing that causes all kinds of pollution like taking 1-6 Million gallons of fresh water and mixing it with about 500 chemicals and sand, some of the chemicals are very poisonous such as benzine, but the "formula" is secret (would you want others to know what you're shooting at high pressure deep into the ground?) This requires hundreds of trucks full of liquids, belching their diesel wastes day and night, then other gases come out such as methane (which is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2) Well, you get the point, pollution of just the burning of the lovely natural gas ain't the whole picture, at all. Now I am not saying coal is better, as it clearly is not...but wind and solar are, by tons.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. Carbon capture is a farce
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:56 AM
Sep 2013

It's science-fiction.
Once you burn the fossil fuels, there will be SOME discharge of carbon into the environment.
Even if they "capture" the carbon, it will, at some point in time, "escape."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. That's only because we held his feet to the fire!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

He wants to pollute! We forced him not to!!!!!!!!!!!!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. Wouldn't it be great if
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:21 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:40 AM - Edit history (1)

we could go back in time and pass a climate bill in the Senate?

July 2009:

House passes landmark climate change bill
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/26/us-climate-usa-congress-idUSTRE55O4R120090626


September 2009:
Boxer, Kerry Set to Introduce Climate Bill in Senate
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/09/28/28climatewire-boxer-kerry-set-to-introduce-climate-bill-in-43844.html


October 2009:
Kerry-Boxer clean energy bill: Chairman’s mark and EPA analysis released
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-10-23-kerry-boxer-clean-energy-bill-chairmans-mark-and-epa-analysis


November 2009:
Boxer Statement on Committee Passage of S. 1733 – The Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Majority.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=c512ac4d-802a-23ad-4884-2b95a8405efe


Unfortunately, by the time the bill got to the full Senate, it was attacked, kill the bill, from all sides.

Markey Praises Obama Admin. Carbon Pollution Rules for New Power Plants

WASHINGTON (September 20, 2013) – Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who co-authored the only comprehensive bill to put carbon limits on power plants to pass a chamber of Congress, today praised the Obama administration for their new rules on future power plants that will limit the pollution that is driving climate change. The new rules, announced today by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, will set new, separate limits on the amount of pollution that natural gas and coal plants can emit.

Below is the statement of Senator Markey:

“The era of boundlessly polluting our skies with climate-altering pollution is nearing its end. For decades, we’ve known that setting limits on smog, on mercury, on other dangerous emissions saves lives and preserves our planet. Today, the Obama administration is proposing to put limits on carbon pollution needed to stop climate changes that are endangering our people and our planet.

“These rules are reasonable. They are feasible. And they should soon be expanded to include standards for existing power plants.

“For power producers and coal mining companies that reject these standards, they have no reason to complain, and every excuse to innovate. Because when Congress offered a solution to pass a climate and energy bill that would provide billions of dollars to help power companies develop advanced carbon-cutting technologies, they instead chose to hire lobbyists and kill the bill.

“Next week, the world’s most comprehensive climate science report is set to be released. We know climate change is an existential threat that is changing our world for the worse. These standards respond to the moral duty we have to address climate change and provide the clear economic incentives for power producers to clean up their act.”

http://www.markey.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=345768
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
37. Which is why I said what I did.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:37 AM
Sep 2013

Had it been passed 4 years ago, it might not be too late, but as far as I am concerned, with the discoveries about how fast the arctic ice is melting, especially that in Greenland, my opinion is that it is a bit too little, and a bit too late.

I would like to see a Manhattan Project style operation, to see us get off of fossil fuels all together!

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
29. Congratulations
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:02 PM
Sep 2013

on choosing "too little, too late" as your reply!

It has proven to be one of the most popular DU responses to anything and everything accomplished by the Obama administration, just behind and "if Obama did it, I am totally against it", and "he only did it because we held his feet to the fire"

Your user name has been added to this week's DU door-prize draw, and should you be the lucky poster whose name is plucked from the ass-hat, you will be notified by the Admins and awarded accordingly.

First Prize: A donation in your name to FreeRepublic in recognition of your efforts to validate their opinions of the Obama administration.

Second Prize: An all-expenses-paid trip to the next TeaBagger event, where you can meet 'n' mingle with like-minded folks.

Third Prize: A complete list of Obama's positive and progressive achievements (rather lengthy, as it turns out), so that you never run out topics to say "too little, too late" about.

Good luck in the competition!

Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #29)

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
40. Yeah, if I won that prize
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:53 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

I would give it to YOU...
Troll.

You don't know me, so you cannot do more than criticize me as being a teabagger.
Little do you know that I am probably the least tolerant of these bass turds.
I eat them for lunch at work so much, that they stay away from me when they see me. If I one starts a conversation with me outside of work, I make their heads spin with logic.

I do not use false personal attacks on people who I do not know, just based on a misunderstood response to a post.
Again Troll!

This little tidbit of legislation does far too little in resolving the issue of our planet's environment, and it comes too late, after the discoveries that have been made as to how much arctic ice is melting, especially in Greenland.

What we need is a Manhattan Project style affair, to get rid of fossil fuels, all together! And without nuclear power, but only with renewable, de-centralized power.

I don't really appreciate these folks who think that if Obama gives crumbs to his supporters, it a great big progressive move, because IT IS NOT! It's just a crumb.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
43. LOL!
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:38 PM
Sep 2013
"I eat them for lunch at work so much, that they stay away from me when they see me. If I one starts a conversation with me outside of work, I make their heads spin with logic."



But what's even funnier is that I'm the one defending Obama on an (alleged) "Democratic" website, and you're calling ME the troll!

Well, the way things are at DU nowadays, I suppose it's just a matter of time before all of the Obama supporters are banned due to their disruptive support for Democrats here on DemocraticUnderground.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
33. This is great news!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:28 PM
Sep 2013

Hopefully the rules will keep the power companies from passing the costs on to the consumer.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
46. I'd say "Cue the Obama haters to try and spin this as something bad."
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:18 AM
Sep 2013

But I see they've already done that.

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