I love my Canadian neighbors

[Aerows]

but they need to give us a break. We will never have a pension, we will go bankrupt if we have a serious health problem and Social Security which is a sort of pension is endangered every year.

If you have a health problem, what happens?

Do you die, or head to the streets? You work, right? Yes, but in the US if you have a health problem, you are doomed. Doomed like India streets doomed, for most folks, and it is ridiculous in a nation as wealthy as ours that we can't even get enough coverage to keep people in mental health plans. Oh, gee, they shoot the hell out of everything, too.

It's a problem here to your south. If you just want us to migrate north, well, many of us are planning it because it is too much of a bust to live here in the US. Don't judge us - we have no health care, and quit acting like you know what it is like to have none.

[NuclearDem]

1. Canuckistan, ho!

[Aerows]

2. Love them

and love Canada, but they don't have a clue about the US.

[rdharma]

3. Why are you blaming the Canadians for OUR PROBLEMS?

This OP makes absolutely NO fuggin' sense!

[Aerows]

4. I am not blaming them

I asking them for compassion. Because there are a significant number that bash every Democrat on the board. They don't live here, they don't vote here, but they some how act like they are authorities on life in the US.

I live here. I'd love to live in Australia or Canada, and will sooner or later.

[rdharma]

5. I haven't heard of Canadians bashing US Democrats.....

I think you are imagining that or more likely....... just trying to stir sheet!

[Aerows]

6. Hi

I've been a member for several years, and I am not prone to stirring shit. But thanks for asking, who are you?

EDIT: Oh wait, you are a shit stirrer.

Good luck - I wouldn't even deign to put you on ignore, because you will likely get tossed before it matters.

Have fun.

[rdharma]

7. My name? Is that what you want?

Dharma. And yours?

[Aerows]

9. Aerows

and I'm as puzzled as you are why you have lasted this long. Oh well, maybe you will learn something and be a better member. Hope springs eternal.

[rdharma]

17. Where a the links of "Canadians" bashing Democrats, Aerows, my friend?

Did I miss them?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

44. x2

[dgibby]

8. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention.

The OP is correct, and I say this as someone who has given serious thought to following her gg grandmother back to Canada.

[rdharma]

12. Riiiiight!

Got any links to the Canadians bashing Dems?

[Aerows]

13. There are some Canadians

and a handful of Australians that bash every idea you've ever heard of Social Security, Medicare and having any idea of medicine for all.

I totally do not understand it, because they have it, and will never be destroyed financially if they or a family member gets sick. They don't grasp the concept that it is a reality in the US.

[rdharma]

18. Oh, I must have missed that. Got links to those posts?

[Violet_Crumble]

19. Where? On DU?

There's only a handful of us Aussies at DU, and I've never seen one of them bash the idea of universal healthcare for the US. If anyone's doing it (and that includes any DUer who has the good fortune to live in a country with universal healthcare), point me at them, coz I'll have a fair bit to say to them...

[Aerows]

21. You aren't in the US

And you folks are the ones that cheer on all of the austerity programs in the US. Maybe you don't understand US politics, or how our programs work, but we have very little in the way of social safety nets, even if we work our asses off (which is probably WHY we work our asses off more than 50 average hours a week per person).

[Violet_Crumble]

25. No, I'm in Australia. I certainly don't cheer on any austerity program...

Nor do I criticise people when they call for a universal healthcare system in the US. I'm not sure why you think I would, nor any of my fellow Australian DUers

[Aerows]

35. God help me

I will live in Australia before too long.

Big move, but I think it will be a fantastic one for me that I won't regret.

People here in the US are saying I shouldn't do it, but I have every reason to do so.

[Violet_Crumble]

43. I don't think you'd regret it...

btw, I PM'd you a bit of info on migrating

[riverbendviewgal]

62. pardon me but

I have been on DU a long time and have posted many times in support of universal health care. Most Canadians I know would fight to the death to keep it. I find that most Canadians I know believe in our social democracy. We often discuss on how US Republicans are so resistant to a one payer health care system and cannot understand this. I myself have traveled to 38 us states and have had real conversations with Americans. Most working Americans I talked to had no health care. They used the emergency rooms.
I am finding that Canadians are visiting the USA less now due to safety issues.

Are you reading the Canadian newspaper The Sun or watching the TV network the Sun? It is very much like the American Fox network. Very right wing. Unfortunately we have our own RW crazies up here too. Thankfully we have strict gun laws up here. We are not perfect but I would say we have a good quality of life and wish Americans could have the same. We have strong safety nets to help those less fortunate. Our taxes are higher to pay for them. I had a 26 year old son and 54 year old son who were helped with their terminal cancers. They were not denied any treatments and there were no medical bills under our universal health care for me to pay or get bankrupted. Remember Canadians wish the best for our southern neighbors.
.

[Aerows]

72. No, I have examples of folks

that fight tooth and nail here on DU against universal health care, and it consistently leaves me agog. That is why I posted what I did.

You are not among them, so I can understand why you may have momentarily felt slandered by my post. That was not my intent. The folks that are doing this know exactly who they are.

[Summer Hathaway]

10. Look again.

The vast majority of those who "bash every Democrat on the board" are neither Canadians nor Australians.

The consistent "bashers" here are self-proclaimed True Progressives TM, who hold themselves out as the REAL Democrats, while finding fault with every statement/action of the Democratic president, and every statement/action by the Party's members.

DU doesn't need no stinkin' Canadians/Australians - or anyone else, for that matter - when it comes to bashing Democrats. DU has more than enough people who are willing to do that job without any outside help.

[Aerows]

11. Prominent ones are

Which are you, my friend?

[Summer Hathaway]

22. Please point out

the Canadian and Australians who consistently find fault with this president, this administration, the Democratic Party - and then measure their numbers in comparison to the True Progressives TM who spend their time, 24/7, bashing Obama and those who support our party and its principles.

I am truly interested in the stats that support your assertion.

[Aerows]

24. 'Kay

Where do you live, again?

[Summer Hathaway]

33. I asked you for the evidence

to support your assertion that they (Canadians and Australians) are "a significant number that bash every Democrat on the board".

Do the "facts" supporting your assertion actually depend on where I live? When do 'the facts' become not 'the facts'? Are facts dependent on geography? Do they 'change' from one hemisphere to another?

You've made a statement - if you can't back it up with facts, you're probably in line for a job at FOX-News. They don't 'believe' in the necessity for facts either.

[Aerows]

34. Yes, but where do you live?

It's kind of an honest question that provides evidence to my assertion. And you pretty much know that and avoided the question.

[Summer Hathaway]

38. As you have avoided the question.

How does where I live alter "the facts'?

Are "the facts" different in one place, as opposed to another?

"It's kind of an honest question that provides evidence to my assertion."

If there was any 'evidence' to support your assertion, you wouldn't need to know where I live - because the "facts" would speak for themselves.

"there are a significant number that bash every Democrat on the board. They don't live here, they don't vote here, but they some how act like they are authorities on life in the US."

That is YOUR assertion - care to back it up with actual "facts"?

[Aerows]

41. It makes a difference to me

I've posited two places.

Which languages do you speak?

[Summer Hathaway]

47. I speak Brooklynese

a language not 'officially recognized' here on DU - or elsewhere, truth be known.

We are plain-spoken people - we believe that "facts" are facts, not subject to change depending on where one lives.

The 'truth' isn't any different in Canarsie than it is in Howard Beach. The 'facts' aren't different in Yonkers than they are in Astoria.

FACTS are FACTS. And where one lives shouldn't have any bearing on their validity.

[Aerows]

48. Oh my

I hope you get far with that.

[rdharma]

14. You're right about the bashers not being Canadians.... you're wrong on them being progressives......

..... But you know that!

[Aerows]

15. Well they certainly aren't people

that are aware that people go bankrupt and end up homeless in the US without health care, because it is exorbitantly expensive, and people starve to death in inner cities. I guess that's okay.

[Summer Hathaway]

16. Which is why

I referred to True Progressives TM - who are neither.

[Aerows]

20. Well, good luck on your line of bs

I hope it makes you feel better when you refute what you know is the truth.

[Summer Hathaway]

28. The 'truth' according to DU ...

Obama, in an unprecedented move, declared May 1st "Loyalty Day" - even though it had been called that since the Eisenhower era.

Obama boldly "took over" the internet - by including it as a means to notify the public of emergency situations, along with similar radio and TV announcements.

Michelle Catalano's blog about her husband being "investigated" by the FBI (although it was actually Nassau County police) is POSITIVE PROOF that the NSA is monitoring everyone's website activity (despite the fact that it was Catalano's husband's employer who notified the police as to his computer activities - the details of which Catalano chose not to discuss).

I hope YOU feel better about "refuting what you know to be the truth" on a message board that resembles FOX-News, where the 'truth' has no basis in reality.

[Aerows]

31. Oh my. DU resembles Fox-News?

Good to see folks displaying what they believe blatantly. Thanks, SH. You did that all by yourself.

[Summer Hathaway]

36. The OPs are there, for all to see.

I didn't post them - but they're there all the same. And with lots of "rec's" from those who DID believe them.

And yes, the correlation to FOX-News is evident. DUers believing that "Loyalty Day" was an a Obama-contrived idea is no different from believing that he's a Kenyan-born secret muslin who is intent on destroying democracy as we know it.

It's the same fact-less idiocy that gets spouted by Teabaggers, FOX-News, and True Progressives TM on DU.

[Aerows]

37. Oh my

here we go again. You can't object to anything in Congress without it being anti ... Good lord.

You aren't an American, that is clear, and we aren't all teabaggers, nutjobs and pure democrats.

The fact that you thought we were was pretty transparent, .

Must be Quebec or Eastern Europe.

[Summer Hathaway]

42. Last time I checked.

Brooklyn, NY, was neither Quebec nor Eastern Europe.

We're just a bunch of "put up or shut up" Americans. And the fact that you can't "put up" any facts speaks for itself.

[Aerows]

49. And I put up and shut up

because you seem to think that health care is some sort of golden right. No.

Will you or a loved one die or have a relative die from lack of health care, or go broke.

[Summer Hathaway]

51. I said nothing about health care

being a 'golden right' or otherwise. Nothing. Never even broached the topic.

But that is par for the course for people like yourself - get caught lying about the topic under discussion? Response: simply change the topic.

I'm still waiting for your list of "Canadians and Australians" who, in "significant numbers", bash every Democrat on the board. They don't live here, they don't vote here, but they some how act like they are authorities on life in the US."

YOUR words. Care to back them up?

[Aerows]

54. Wait a second

I'm lying?

Canadians have health care that they pay for in taxes rather than as premiums (thousands of dollars) in health care insurance which is killing American citizens.

Canadians, specifically, that do not understand that Americans die by the thousands because of lack of health insurance, float into the forum and pontificate, while they will be covered no matter what happens to them.

You can lose your home, your livelihood and everything you have under the American system if you sneeze. You DO NOT REALIZE how good you have it.

I take a shade of offense to that. We have several that float around in here and are Obama Pontificators, that he is inviolate, but don't realize that you have PUBLIC OPTION. Um, that bugs me. You seem to think it's awesome to have ... no health care. I guess our taxes are lower??

[Summer Hathaway]

57. And we're back to Square One

the very place you have attempted to circumvent, to no avail.

Who are the Canadians and Aussies who are 'floating into the forum and pontificating'?

Your words: " ... because there are a significant number that bash every Democrat on the board."

Given their 'significant numbers', it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a name or two.

[Aerows]

23. I've been asked to name names

but if I do, I am subject to being banned, but hey, all you have to do is look through a post or two. If you insist, I will divulge names directly via PM.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. No, you won't be nuked for providing links to back up yr claim...

If you struck a weird jury you could risk a hidden post, but that's no big deal. What I'd do is link to the actual OP of the thread and ask people to read through to find the posts yr talking about...

[Aerows]

29. Sorry, I won't risk my account

and there is no need to do so

I have repeatedly called out folks that cheered on austerity in the US while they were in Canada and Australia (only one in Australia, you guys at least have the guts to walk the walk). I'm peeved at several Canadian members that cheer on every idea that Democrats come up with to please Republicans that includes cutting SS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and anything that includes speaking up as an American. They know who they are.

[rdharma]

32. That sounds quite reasonable. n/t

[rdharma]

27. Don't bother.

PM it to someone who might believe you.

[Aerows]

30. Feel free to do a search.

This is far from the first time I've called this out.

[rdharma]

39. No thanks! nt

[Aerows]

40. No need. n/t

[AnotherMcIntosh]

45. It's smart to not take the bait.

[rdharma]

46. That's why I didn't! n/t

[Aerows]

50. Nor did I

[QC]

73. Just don't call her an apologist.

She hates that.

[delrem]

52. I'll volunteer my name.

Canadian.
I understand your point.

There's a larger context. As a Canadian, I'm *very* interested in what goes on politically south of the border, because the US is by far the greatest influence on Canada. When the US swings to the right, Canada follows, though maybe not so enthusiastically because it rips something good from our hands. When the US swings to the left Canada enthusiastically follows. In any case, however the US swings, the US determines the direction.

Leftists in Canada are fighting for their political lives, and we're getting beaten. We have a conservative in power now who is farther right than Obama, that's for certain. Our conservative in power is what the US would call a "tea-partier", having roots in the extreme Limbaughesque "reform" movement in Alberta. Our conservative in power wants to take Canada farther to the right than most Republicans would admit to.

When *some* Canadians say "look, this is what it's about", it isn't to rub US noses in it and gloat. It's to PLEAD with Americans to do some homework and learn something of the truth of what leftists in Canada (Tommy Douglas et al) have accomplished, probably *only* because of Canada's isolation from the US, and use that example to construct something better than the laissez-fair private systems that they worship. Because those laissez-fair private systems don't work for the purpose stated, they work to suck money from sickness and desperation and they are anathema to health.

[Aerows]

53. Understood

and taken into consideration. I just don't know what to do with it, though. I feel like I'm being offered the worst ingredients to make a cake while there are people that have far better ones.

Canada and Australia have far better health care systems, and frankly they understand that you should love your family by taking care of them.

[delrem]

59. I think the element of ill-omen in healthcare

is pristine, unregulated, capitalism.

There are plenty of Dems who say that the Obama ACA is a step forward, and I agree. It does make the next steps easier. That has to be the point.

[davidpdx]

55. If I had voted on the thread it would have been a hide

As for my other remarks, see Juror #6

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: You call that a "really nasty personal attack?" Someone needs to get their big boy/girl chonies on. This is DU. Butch up.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't think the post rises to the occasion that it should be hidden. However, the OP has made one mistake and should apologize for it. That is there are a lot of Expats on this board who live overseas and DO vote and still care about our nation. I happen to be one of them. My suggestion to the OP is not to ASSUME (remember to assume "makes an ass out of you and me&quot just because someone lives in another country they are automatically not American. It is just downright idiotic and offensive. I believe you were the one to start with the insults with the OP itself. If this vote were on the OP I would vote to hide it as it is downright non-sense. It is my sincere hope you will ante up and apologize to Expats on the board.

[delrem]

61. I sure the fuck don't agree with that!

What fuckin bullshit is that?

[davidpdx]

67. It's call a jury system

and people are never going to completely agree with the outcome. My point is the entire thread is flamebait from the first accusation that the OP made about people being not being Americans. That's why I reamed him with my reply. No, his post didn't get hidden but at least someone stopped to tell him he ought knock that shit off.

As for your reply, try being more respectful.

[Dragonfli]

56. I live across Ft. Erie, and have many good Canadian friends (most of whom are teachers)

Perhaps it is their education, or just my good luck to have met such good people, but they want me to have what they have, and as a rule are concerned enough when crossing the border for more than a few hours to buy special insurance to avoid what they call "the American Nightmare system" they are all afraid we will bankrupt them if they need to seek care here, those tourist policies sell like hotcakes.

On the other hand, I know a few of those you speak of that trash the idea of us having anything better than the American nightmare of insurance (meant to replace actual care with a profit driven scheme). One in particular once told me he preferred the ACA to his Canadian Health system because he thought it would bring free market competition that would result in the best care possible, that one was TS'ed about two years ago I think. He/She may merely have claimed Canadian Citizenship (trolls love their games)

One more that stands out as a genuinely mean and uncaring person will not even discuss why he prefers Heritage care to Canadian care for us, his tactic was simply to mock anyone that advocated for single payer, or any nationalized type of healthcare during the health care debate we had here. His only replies in discussions are a few words of insults or more commonly nothing more than, "..." and .

The closest thing to an argument as to why that one does not think we should have his level of care is to post some insulting graphic or other. Clearly a troll that lacks any arguments (or even a basic vocabulary) and also most likely not Canadian as he claims at all. If I were to guess I's say he was really an American Conservative (possibly a so called "moderate" Republican) that got too high on the Heritage Foundation and Ayn Rand in the nineties and is just trolling for fun at our expense.

I feel ya, but I think many only claim to be what you think they are and are little more than garden variety trolls out to mock us for fun, Just like haters have to hate, and jokers are just a joke - if you know what I mean.

[riverbendviewgal]

63. I agree with you

I have NEVER known any Canadian who wanted a health care system like the US A has including Obamacare. In fact we all wish for more like dental, eye and prescriptions be included. Many Canadians have supplemental health care they pay extra for that includes those. SENIORS pay$100 annually to cover all prescriptions through my Provincial universal health plan. My private supplemental plan is $1600 a year which is tax deductible. My plan still covers the $100 I have to pay, actually 80% as I paid prior to becoming 65. I am a healthy happy senior who sees my doctor when I feel sick, get my annual physical and blood tests. I am scheduled for a bone density test to see if I need to continue with my meds for that. I am also scheduled to see a specialist to determine if my hand problem is ct or arthritis. I see these specialists and get these tests/treatments no charge. I live on my pension.

[Aerows]

69. Okay

I'll admit, it was a bit of a call out for a few. It's shitheaded to think ANYONE would prefer the American system to the Canadian, and thought I would point that out for the particularly shithead that thinks it's so great.

So there

[Dragonfli]

71. I think it's safe to say we have the same feelings about the same shithead!

[laundry_queen]

60. OK, I'll bite even though I have no idea what prompted this post.

Nearly every Canadian I know who is educated is very involved in keeping up with American politics. Everything the US gov't does affects us - the old quote by Pierre Trudeau, "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt." is still true today and us Canadians know it. And most of us have many American friends and/or family and/or we travel to the US often for shopping/vacation/business. So, that is why many of us participate here. That said, every Canadian *I* know wants Americans to have access to health care in the same way we do. And most are very aware of people dying or going bankrupt for medical care.

Heck, I'm taking a Political science course right now through my university (last year of a Bcom and I have only electives left), and our first 2 discussion questions were related to American politics (I took the course to become more familiar with the Canadian system, lol, my bad. Oh well, at least I'll ace it). All the students are quite informed, which shocked me (I'm a 'mature' student, and most in my class are 18 year olds) so I'd say most Canadians know a lot more about the US than you know about us. And the VAST majority shake our heads and tsk tsk with massive sympathy over your health care plight, and we thank our lucky stars because we CANNOT imagine.

Oh, and our pensions are in danger as well.

Disregard this post if you are just trying to call out someone, I don't mean to step on any toes.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. Truer words were never spoken. Meh, Unrec, insert inappropirate emoticon here....

I have many dear Canadian friends and have spent much time in Canada myself. However there is a contingent of Canadian based activists on DU that carries on in ways the real life Canadians I know would find offensive just as I do. When asked 'why is this of interest to you' rather than answering the DU contingent posts 'rofl' emoticons. As the contingent to compare and contrast an American policy with the Canadian counterpart, the contingent posts 'rofl' emoticons. It is rude, it has nothing to do with being Canadian and everything to do with being an officious busy body with a furtive agenda and a mean streak a mile wide. Frankly I am not certain the contingent is actually Canadian rather than affecting a Canadian theme to their constructed character on DU.

[riverbendviewgal]

66. I think they are pretend Canadians

My opinion they might be RW trolls desperate to make Obamacare look bad.
Canadian one payer health care was started in the province of Saskatchewan by premier Tommy Douglas in the early 60s. There was some resistance but soon all the provinces were on board. In 2004 he was voted by Canadians as Canada's greatest Canadian in a CBC national poll. I think this is what Republicans fear that Americans will poll vote Obama as America's greatest American. That would be cool.

[Aerows]

70. They have to be

Only a fool would choose economic devastation in the event of an illness over ... having health care.

[bluestate10]

65. A good solution is to have Americans that want a progressive economy move north and

Canadians that can't see that that country is economically superior to ours move south.

[Rosco T.]

68. Misunderstanding works both ways....

you can follow the other 4 parts there..

(the commercials were left in, so skip ahead 3:50)