Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says

[Tx4obama]

Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says

(CNN) -- Two teenagers -- 13 and 14 years old -- are in custody in Spokane, Washington, and the mother of one of the teens is recuperating in a hospital after she was attacked by the boys following a pill-taking episode, authorities said.

The boys apparently had planned to kill the woman, who is the 13-year-old's mother, and eat her liver, Spokane County Sheriff's Deputy Craig Chamberlin told CNN Friday.

"The 14-year-old came up with the idea of, 'Hey, let's rip her open and eat her liver,' but it never happened," said Chamberlin. Instead, the older boy allegedly beat the woman with the handle of a sword, Chamberlin said, adding, "I think that was their original plan, to cut her open, but then they changed their minds."

The woman was left bloodied with head injuries after the incident Tuesday, and remained hospitalized Friday in stable condition at a local hospital.

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Full article with more details here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/us/teens-attack-mom-spokane/index.html

[longship]

1. I'm bored. Wadda ya wanna do?

I have an idea...

Gees! Louise! Who would think of this?

[Warren DeMontague]

9. I know. You couldn't even get me to eat regular liver, as a kid.

[Warpy]

11. I can't eat it NOW

My throat closes up and I can't get it down.

My ex insisted on liver once. When he saw me lean away from the stove and puke into the trash can, he knew that was never gonna happen again.

I never minded if he ordered it at a restaurant. As long as I didn't have to smell it cooking or eat it myself, I was (and am) just fine.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. I haven't eaten red meat in over a decade, but I guess poultry have em, too.

Still, yeah. I'm with you.

[Warpy]

14. When there's a sale on chicken livers, I buy them for the cat

who typically crouches and growls at them for a full half hour before it finally dawns on her they might be edible.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. I love kitties, but the truth of the matter is, the space in their heads is mostly taken up by eyes

brain--- very, very, very small.

[CountAllVotes]

29. That is not true!

Just yesterday I had a comb in my hand and said to my cat, "Comb?"

She came running up to me so I would comb her.

When I see her clawing something she should not be clawing, I say, "No clawing" and she goes and claws her cardboard/catnipped ramp that I have for her.

She does other things too and she sings a long with music that she likes on the radio (hums along with it if it is something she likes and she whistles too!).

That is not a dumb animal. It is a superior being that has the likes of me waiting on her paw and mouth!

She is very very smart, far smarter than most people I know, that is for sure!

[Warpy]

30. Yet they're self aware, capable of problem solving

and capable of learning what simple words mean. That brain might be the size of a walnut, but they seem to use it to capacity.

Besides, if they didn't do daft things like growling at unfamiliar food, they might not be nearly as entertaining.

[longship]

16. But a Fresser sandwich is awesome.

Especially at the Carnegie Deli in NYC (if one can afford such a thing these days).

And I love a braunschweiger sandwich, with chopped onions and spicy mustard on rye.

Yum!

Mom's liver, not so much.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. kinda thing I could eat when I was 22 and constantly cleaning my pipes with ethanol

now, sadly, no.

[flvegan]

2. Will they be able to get into Harvard, though?

I understand lately that the expectation among the helicopter "parents" is that we shouldn't pay attention. Just let the snowflakes drift and melt where they may.

[jmowreader]

7. Change that to Gonzaga and you're on the right track

I wonder how you're not supposed to notice a case of attempted cannibalism.

[petronius]

28. I'm sure the mom understands that this is the fault of the school system,

which has stifled these creative young men's imaginations and exploratory instincts. It would be tragic if this early expression of interest and natural ability for anatomical and biological science (not to mention the culinary arts) was quashed by bunch of uncaring adults...

[BuelahWitch]

3. They took "blue pills"

Wonder if it will ever come out what blue pills they took?

[Skittles]

6. I am ruling out Alleve and Viagra

[madinmaryland]

24. Ordering up an ass-kicking for Skittles!

[L0oniX]

27. SPANK!!!

[Incitatus]

4. "It could be anything, it could be ecstasy, it had to have been some type of opium, hallucinogen...W

Um, yeah ecstasy would not do that. I would really like to know what kind of pills they are blaming this on. Where they not given a tox screen?

Possibly bath salts someone told them was ecstasy.

[Warpy]

12. Or it could have been two bored kids

who hated their parents and thought life was a big video game.

I hope the poor woman recovers. I hope those disgusting brats get serious psychiatric help.

[Maraya1969]

15. I was thinking bath salts too and they should have done a tox screen on these boys

Maybe there are bad drugs out there that the public might want to know about?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

5. What in the actual fuck?

Who eats liver?

In all seriousness, what kind of drug makes you want to kill your mom and eat her organs besides an extreme dose of PCP or bath salts and the like?

And then, at the end of the article, is the subtle dig on ecstasy possibly being the cause. I've done plenty of ecstasy; there's no way you are developing the urge to eat mommy's liver on that drug. None.

[jmowreader]

8. I think I found it...it's called kratom

http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/The-new-drug-you-havent-heard-of----yet-186851112.html

"The DEA is studying Kratom as reports of emergency room visits by users rise. There have been reports of hallucination and delusions among users."

Most of the pictures of kratom online show it either loose in pouches, or in clear capsules...nothin' sez they couldn't put it in blue ones, tho.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

20. Interesting ...

... thanks for the link. I wonder why the recent spate of really extreme drugs that cause dangerous delusions such as this (assuming it does) and bath salts?

Why do people want to be in such states? This isn't an LCD trip or a fun shroom zoom - this is extreme psychosis that pose a danger to the user and to others.

I'm certainly no drug prohibitionist, by any stretch, but I guess since I'm a bit older, I'm a little concerned about the rise in use of these types of drugs.

[Sunlei]

23. interesting. harder to get the less dangerous drugs. these easy to make chems, fill the niche.

Thanks drug war!!

[independentpiney]

25. Kratom is a leaf from a tropical tree, not an 'easy to make drug'

It's neither a hallucinogen or meth level stimulant that would result in such bizarre behavior. But it has been helping many people with chronic pain issues and those with opiate addiction. It's not really a 'party drug' in any way I could think of and shouldn't be being sold in 'smoke shops' as being one. Unfortunately because it is the sensationalists and drug warriors will probably win and end up getting another potentially helpful and generally safe herb banned

[Sunlei]

31. police didn't test for any drug did they?. one kid only 'blamed' some 'blue pill."

After reading the days list of crimes the 2 boys did, I think they were just bad teens wilding. not drugged.

[independentpiney]

37. I tend to agree with you

that was quite a spree they went on. I wouldn't be surprised if daddy's liquor cabinet got broken into, but that wouldn't deserve mention, because alcohol isn't a drug.

[jmowreader]

33. Easy: there's no piss test for it yet

Also, teens can buy it at a gas station no questions asked.

[independentpiney]

36. You're obviously confusing this with 'spice' and 'bath salts'

Which is understandable since all you're information apparently comes from googling up sensationalist news stories.

[jmowreader]

38. Try these...

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_info2.shtml

Based on available data, members noted that habitual users of mitragynine could develop marked withdrawal syndromes, including hostility, aggression, rhinitis, inability to work, excess tears, muscle and bone aches and jerky limb movement. Members concurred with the view that there was a strong possibility of addiction if mitragynine was used in doses high enough for mu-receptor crossover (1974-2003 Thomson Micromedex. Micromede R) Healthcare Series Vol. 115) and agreed to restrict the use of the substance.

This piece says Australia has placed kratom in their Schedule 9, the most restrictive schedule - equivalent to the US Schedule I.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal3.shtml

(Scroll down to "Kratom Psychosis.&quot

It appears, at least to me, that the effects of kratom are individualized - for some people it's fine, great shit, and completely harmless; for others it will completely fuck you up. And if it turns out that kratom is the "blue pill" they took, they were at the far end of the "fuck you up" scale.

Their arraignments are Tuesday. We should know what they took then.

[independentpiney]

39. I read them and they're very unconvincing

The Aussies solely clasisfied it based on Thai reports. and there were 5- count em 5- alleged cases of 'kratom psychosis' in Thailand 3 of which involved self reported use of amphetimines and other drugs as well. I guarantee you there are thousands of bogus reports of marijuana psychosis you could dig up as well.
You originally spoke out your ass based on a single sensationalist story you googled up. This sad attempt to prove yourself right is no better. And no, the effects not individualized, they're very consistent, Please just stop talking about things you know nothing about.

[independentpiney]

22. Nonsense. That is totally irresponsible of you. Shame on you

No one but drug warriors and sensationalist journalists have claimed it causes hallucinations and delusions. As stated in the article you posted Kratom acts as a mild to moderate stimulant in doses lower than 7 grams of dried leaf for most people and as an analgesic/sedative in larger doses. A large dose of highly concentrated extract form would put you to sleep, not turn you into a cannibal. It has been used for ages in Southeast Asia to combat fatigue and to help overcome opiate addiction. Thailand made it illegal because of it's interference with opium revenues.

It's probably slightly more dangerous than cannabis, but much less so than alcohol.

http://www.kratomassociation.org/kratom-testimonials

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/kratom.pdf

[jmowreader]

34. Spice and bath salts were also good harmless fun too

[independentpiney]

35. No, they were new synthetic, hallucinogenic drugs designed to mimic already illegal drugs

that flew under the legal radar for a while by constantly changing their formulations. I dont think they were ever considered harmless good fun. Kratom is neither synthetic or a hallucinogen, it comes from a tree in the same family as coffee and has a long history of use in parts of southeast Asia. The reasons it was made illegal in Thailand were fairly similar to why Cannabis was made illegal here; because it's popular amongst minority ethnic groups and the working class and it was interfering with the profits of an existing drug industry.

Again, shame on you for either deliberately or ignorantly spreading misinformation.

[MrScorpio]

10. I bet that wasn't even any fava beans and chianti to go along with Mom's liver in that house either

[Fantastic Anarchist]

21. Ahh, you're bad. Very bad.

Damn, wish I thought of it first.

[Democracyinkind]

19. Fantasies to perpetuate our longest war.

It's the same record since that awful meeting in Geneva 112 years ago.

[bravenak]

26. Why the hell did they have swords??

They must have watched Game of Thrones.

[The Straight Story]

32. So what possibly caused this? If they had beat her with a gun, problem solved, but in this case

There might actually be something else that would make people think of such a thing.

Maybe demons or video games.