Obama's approval rating with liberal dems is still over 80%

[Cali_Democrat]

81% to be exact.

The latest numbers are from Sep9 to Sep15...during the height of the Syria situation.

The pundits who predicted that his stance on Syria would lead to a total collapse in support among Dems have proven to be wrong.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

This breakdown is very interesting.

Dems still like Obama very much. It's the Republicans who completely disapprove of him and his policies.

[Summer Hathaway]

1. "It's the Republicans who completely disapprove ...

... of him and his policies."

Yes, it IS the Republicans, isn't it?

[baldguy]

54. So...the people who post on DU to say they disapprove of Obama and his policies are....?

[stevenleser]

56. Part of the less than 20% who self identify as Democrats/Liberals. nt

[arely staircase]

60. statistically insignificant nt

[DontTreadOnMe]

76. great response... and I will add perpetually disgruntled

Maybe as I get older I can look back and say I was much more radical in my 20s and 30s... but I see many people here on DU who are so extreme, that they end up not accomplishing any political gains.

How about everyone on this board concentrate on ONE core idea, and that is the Middle Class is getting screwed. Stay on topic to fix it! Everything else doesn't matter if the US loses the Middle Class.

[MADem]

79. Naaah--the perfect is the enemy of the good!

Fighting on the internet is what gives them joy....Democratic victories, income parity, pushing back against poverty ... not so much, I guess...

[Number23]

85. Abso freaking lutely. Even though they've made sure that DU's home page says otherwise

With the exception of the adorable LOL Kitties of course.

Roaring extra loud in their miniscule corner of the cage.

[Rex]

124. And evidently conservative dems.

Imagine that. Liberals support him the most.

[Cha]

3. K&R.. thanks for the update, Cali~

[LAGC]

4. Thanks for the update, LoZoccolo.

[Fumesucker]

5. ~snort~

[treestar]

20. It is amazing how much resentment LoZo got for making that point nt

[Rex]

126. LoZo got banned from this site for taking the Hosts forum hostage.

But you can pretend the narrative is over his posts about the POTUSes approval rating all you want to. I LOVE seeing that poll, as it proves that liberals approve of him the most and that conservative...dems hate him the most.

Amazing how people miss that point.

[whatchamacallit]

68. Haha...

[Cali_Democrat]

100. I'm considering posting this weekly

To honor him.

[Rex]

127. Please do, it will remind everyone that conserative

dems hate the POTUS the most.

[Gravitycollapse]

6. Grand. If only the entire electorate was made up of liberal dems, our problems would be solved.

Anyway, the point that should be made is his overall unremarkable (and I mean that as being neither great nor problematic) approval rating. Which, given the type of war being waged on the administration by the GOP, is not bad at all.

But I guess it makes us feel better to self-aggrandize. Meh.

[Hekate]

7. Hmmm. I wonder sometimes who's out of touch with whom?

The results seem about right to me. The TV bobble-heads (or as Calvin Trillin calls them, the Sabbath Gasbags) are so consistently wrong that I wonder anyone bothers to tune in any more. The loudest on the left are a minority, but they are loud -- they don't seem to represent the majority of self-identified liberal Dems either.

I like the guy -- and I don't stay home from midterm elections, either. I seem to have a fair amount of company.

[glowing]

8. Democracy is supposed to be loud and cranky.

Just because I don't think bombing another country would do much in stopping the use of gas by a foreign country, doesn't mean that I don't generally support the President.

People are somewhat worried and a bit confused about health care, the rates, the insurance pools, and how it will effect their care and pocket. I had this conversation with my mom (she happens to have one of those cadilac types of plans that is nearly unheard of anymore - costs for my Dad's stent and cardiac issues $0.00 - co-pays on drugs $0.00 many times) so for her, she would hate to lose such a great deal - and yes, as a teacher she understands it's a complete anomaly).

Now, my husband was in the hospital for a chest infection for nearly 4 days. The insurance covered most of it, but we were still left holding some fees - he paid the Dr co-pays because they were small, but the nearly $3,000 fee for the hospital was just too much. He filled out a form from the hospital, and based on our income, we qualified for the fee to be waved by us and a govt program pd the rest (not sure if it was part of Obama Care or that the hospital thought that it had gotten enough money from insurance that they could afford to waive the rest?)

Over the years, with sensible people in office, the health care model will have to be tweaked and molded. At some point, I think we may just end up with a Medicare for all type of plan... But the crap being done to try to stop the good stuff now from becoming common place is ridiculous and treasonous.

[BlueMTexpat]

12. What you said ...

and I vote, contribute and write letters to those to whom I contribute, among other things. Since I have had the right to vote, I have always voted. At the national level (except when Senator Mathias - a true liberal although he had an "R" after his name - was a MD Senator), I have always supported Dems.

For those who may not remember the late Senator Mathias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mathias You don't see many in either party like him any more (although those who are like him today are all Dems). That is a real shame, IMO, and we all have a much more dysfunctional - and poorer - society as a result.

At the local level in the 1970s in my birth state of MT, I occasionally voted for Republican candidates. Surprise, surprise, every one of those Rs eventually changed party affiliation, either to Dem or Independent! The Republican party of today is literally a travesty of what it once was.

Unfortunately, however, the Democratic party of today has almost become what the Republican party used to be. We have moved too far to the right, IMO, and I am glad to see Prez O finally standing his ground at long last against Republican blackmail/terrorism. I hope very much that he continues to stand strong and starts making points against these silly clowns in an effective manner. I am also very happy to see a distinctly leftward trend again from at least some Dem office-holders.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. I agree 100%! We lefties are supposed to be loud and "cranky," but in the larger scheme of things,

I don't think we represent the rank and file. We are more attuned to what's going on out there. We are more passionate, of course. But, in some weirdly pleasing way, the mainstream or mainline Democrats who still support Obama despite his missteps consider the larger picture. We liberals have too many issues. If Obama disappoints on any one issue, we find another issue to be mad at him about. I have come to see him and his presidency as bigger than just one or two issues to be grumpy about. I think he has done an amazing job considering everything that he has been through. I don't envy him not one bit.

[Exilednight]

9. Never trust the self identifying breakdowns.

These parts of polls are complete bullshit. Most self described conservatives don't really know what it means to be conservative, nor do many self described liberals know what liberal truly means.

Is Rush Lintballs really a conservative? No.
Is Ed Shultz really a liberal Democrat? No.

Both are just doughy ass, rich, white and male.

And let's be completely honest. Liberal Democrats are a small minority of the entire population. About 1/3 of Americans call themselves Democrats, and out of that only about 1/4 of Democrats call themselves liberals. Now you are talking about less than 10% of all voters.

The better numbers to look at are the ones that do not call on conjecture. If you are white, then you are white. if you make 40k then you make 40k. A true liberal is going to look at where the poor and disenfranchised are, because if a president isw not helping them, then he is not helping any of us.

[stevenleser]

25. Wait, what excuse are you using to bash Ed Shultz? That he is "fat" and white and male?

And he happens to have money? Because of that, he can't possibly be fighting for liberal or progressive principles? That's news to people like Michael Moore who fits all the same categories.

[Exilednight]

37. Fast Eddie lost my respect when he went on the air when Obama was running for office and ....

made the statement. and I paraphrase here, "that guns are part of our great history" while arguing that Obama had no intention to put limitations on who can own a gun.

He then went on the air this past week and started slamming Grand Theft Auto, and blaming the violence of society on a video game that contains violence, and that the video game should be banned. Now i get what he is saying about video games containing violence, but according to the first amendment, you can not ban them. On the other hand, the second amendment does contain the word regulate.

So here's the difference between Fast Eddie, Rush Lintballs, and Michael Moore. Neither Fast Eddie nor Rush even believe that crap that comes out of their mouth, and they are both bound to contradict themselves as the political winds change. Michael Moore takes a stand and will willingly admit when he was wrong (which is rare) and willfully admits that he might not always win a fight, but he does truly believe what he is fighting for and sticks with the facts even when the politics are against him.

[YoungDemCA]

96. [phone]

Nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Down to 67% with Liberals in general, though - his equal lowest ever

which seems to indicate that it's party loyalty keeping people with him, rather than policies.

(You can download the complete figures from the site; his Liberal approval hit 67% in Sept 19-25th, 2011. What had cause that, I don't know, but I see that during the summer, the idea of raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 had been raised by the White House. In that week, they said they weren't going to try it, and his Liberal popularity did recover after that).

[Recursion]

11. I thought liberal Democrats were perpetually unsatisfied Trotskyites with no productive ideas?

Now I'm confused...

[Rex]

128. It is because the narrative is that conservative dems

LOVE the POTUS and as we can clearly see in this poll...they hate him the most and liberals approve of the POTUS the most. Information that will no doubt go right over a lot of people's heads.

[GoneFishin]

13. 67% according to Gallup, not 81%. nt

[SidDithers]

17. Wrong...nt

Sid

[GoneFishin]

23. I stand corrected. 81% according to Gallup. nt

[bluestate10]

32. Thanks Sid, you remain an astute crusher of bullshit posts. Keep up the good work, we need

voices like you here.

[treestar]

14. And yet here we are a minority now

our posts get hidden if we point that out and theirs stand no matter how personal they make it.

[SidDithers]

18. Right. The perpetually outraged can shit all over Obama and Obama supporters...

but fight back with the same language and you're almost guaranteed a hidden post.

Who knew that he hair-on-fire brigade were such delicate flowers?

Sid

[bluestate10]

34. That group is able to hide posts likely because they are always online on DU, so they get

on juries and outvote the few sane minds that are around.

[Purveyor]

77. You think the juries are bad and a cliquish cabal, you should see the 'hosts forums'... eom

[whatchamacallit]

69. Lol!

I'd love to see your alert count...

[Liberal_Dog]

21. Another "Poor Little Us" Post

Somebody call the Waahmbulance.

[treestar]

22. No, it's not.

And there is plenty of poor little us posts by the people who call themselves the "real" liberals.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

38. Uh-huh!!

[Andy823]

42. I hate it when people use the word "real"

It's the same old BS that a lot of religions use, "we are the only 'real' christians"! Same goes in politics. Look at the batshit crazy right who claim to be the "real" conservatives. Now we see the same kind of BS here where one group claims to be the "real" liberals. All any of these groups are really saying is that if you don't see things "exactly" like we do, then you are NOT a "real" _________ fill in the blank.

While I do believe that there are only a few here on DU that actually are against anyone who does no believe their way, that's not including the large number of "trolls" that come here to disrupt and cause problems, there are a lot that get caught up in the BS, and tend to follow that group.

I have no problem with anyone voicing their disagreement with things they don't like about issues, but when it come to simply posting post after post bashing the president, and in many cases the whole democratic party, I think that should set off a red flag. Do these people who never post anything positive, who never seem to approve of anything the president or party has done, who only stir things up, really think they are the only "real" liberals or do they have another agenda.

The Syria thing was a perfect example. A lot of those who had been upset about the idea of bombing Syria admitted they were wrong about the presidents goals. They posted posts saying positive things about his change in policy on Syria. However there were a handful
who simply kept on attacking, ignored what was done, and continued on down the road "bashing" the president. Those people who never say anything positive, and many of them have been bashing the president since back when he won the primaries in 2008, are NOT "real" liberals. They can say they are, but their actions say otherwise.

This president has accomplished a lot of things, and for anyone to deny that, well it just shows that they are not dealing in reality, but instead consumed with hate for the man. It's not really hard to see through their BS, but sadly their followers continue to rec their threads, join in the bashing, and forget all the good that has been done since president Obama took office. People want to be part of the "real" group whether it's religion, politics, or whatever. They want to belong and they sometimes get duped into following those who are up to no good, and that's sad. When people set their own guidelines to decide who is and who isn't a "real" member of a group, and do not allow them to actually disagree with the "group" think, then as I said before, that should raise a red flag!

[treestar]

57. All very true

And in spite of what people on the board say, I don't worship Obama or think he's always right. I didn't agree about Larry Summers once I learned about Larry. But I still would not have abandoned all support for him. A politician cannot always be thinking exactly like I do. Though Obama does think a lot like I do.

Then you see attempts by those who happen to never approve to use an issue as a new litmus test to separate out those who support Obama "blindly" from those who allegedly are just providing helpful criticism. Lately notice it is the TPP. Trade issues are not easy to understand, but we are given to know that if we attempt to understand it, we are just ignorant and should be blindly following the critic. I don't really know if the TPP is good or bad, but I do know the usual suspects think it's bad and is another reason we shouldn't support the President. We aren't allowed to even trust the President more than they, the random DU poster. Then Prosense or someone will go out and try to find out the President's side of it, and she is bashed for doing that!

[Andy823]

66. Yes,

I don't really think there are any posters on this board that "worship" the president, but like you, just because I don't like what he has done on an issue, or nominating someone I too would not like to see him nominate, liker Summers, I don't plan on giving up on him. He has done a lot of great things, if people can't admit that, then they are the problem, not the president.

I too have seen the nay sayers, the ones who really can't stand the president, use the tactics you described so they can bash those who supper the president, something you would think would be a given on a board that was set up for supporting the democrats and would include President Obama.

As I said it's a handful of people who have gotten many others into the mentality that in order to be a "real" liberal I must follow those tell me how I must think to be a "real" liberal. Putting a litmus test on such things is just plain dumb. There is not test to be a liberal just like there is no test to be a good person. Our actions speak volumes. If we are so set in our view that we can't see what others are thinking we end up like some here who probably have over half the posters on ignore so they don't have to even see what others think, and that is just plain crazy if you ask me!

[leftstreet]

24. So sad. Wouldn't blame Liberal Dems if they start a 3rd party

[treestar]

26. If you look at the poll the OP is about

Liberal Dems are more supportive of the President than Moderate Dems, who are more supportive than Conservative Dems.

So the DU "it's not good enough" crowd could start their own, tiny party.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Oh, for fucks sake! Go do that, then. See how far you get and how many elections you win!!

Ridiculous!

[leftstreet]

50. ...

I guess I should have used this

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. Yes you should have because you surprised me, frankly. Knew you were sensible...

[leftstreet]

55. Sorry

Guess I should have a little more caffeine before posting

[Union Scribe]

71. You're a "liberal" Dem?

[leftstreet]

15. Why are 'liberal dems' so out of touch with the rest?

That poll says overall approval is only 46%

[treestar]

16. This is interesting

Liberal Democrat 81%
Moderate Democrat 73%
Conservative Democrat 69%

So the DU narrative is just plain wrong.

[PowerToThePeople]

43. Maybe a classical definition of Democrat?

So a "Liberal Democrat" would be one supporting Republican agenda
A "Moderate Democrat" would reach across the isle and try to find common ground.
A "Conservative Democrat" would stick to classical Democratic party thought.

In this case, the DU narrative is correct and the terminology is used correctly.

[BOG PERSON]

52. woodrow wilson democrats

n/t

[treestar]

59. LOL that's exactly what right wingers do

Define it for themselves. Obama is a socialist and a Marxist, don't you know that? Because they moved the definitions. You can try to get them to tell the difference between a liberal Democrat and a Marxist but they refuse. I have been informed by right wingers that I am a socialist, full stop. It's hilarious. On DU I would be informed I am not pure enough to be considered a real liberal.

And no, that shows the support goes down slightly with rightward movement within the Democratic party, so the DU narrative is wrong. On DU it is the poor left that Obama hates and ignores. Yet within the Democratic party, he has a bit more support from the liberals than he does with the moderates, and a bit more support from them than he does with the Conservative Democrats. Thus Obama's support increases as you go left.

[PowerToThePeople]

61. That is not my experience

Especially on DU. His strongest supporters are 3rd way. 3rd way is NOT liberal. You can think what you want about this poll, I think it is worthless.

BTW, I did not define any of those terms myself. I used definitions which you will find in any dictionary. I would say more, but will restrain myself.


edit - I should have trashed this thread when I first saw it. My mistake. But, I will remedy that mistake right now.

[Union Scribe]

72. You're right.

Moderates and conservatives make up the President's most ardent supporters here. That they call themselves liberal given their positions is ludicrous.

[Rex]

123. In some ways yes it is wrong.

As you can see, Conservative Dems hate him the most - is it any wonder why they are ALWAYS bashing liberals now on DU? Your proof is right there in your post, they HATE the fact that liberals support the POTUS (the most).

Funny that.

[LWolf]

19. NEO-liberal Dems. nt

[stevenleser]

27. That label doesn't mean anything anymore. Its just a generic pejorative.

It used to mean someone who supported a particular economic theory. But now it means whatever someone feels like it means at that moment.

[madokie]

30. I was going to say to you maybe

but then I seen who had said it so I won't because I have a lot of respect for what you say and do.
In other words I'll take it under advisement.

[stevenleser]

35. I've seen it used just on DU at least four different ways.

1. Exclusively someone who supports militarism

2. Exclusively someone who supports right wing economics

3. Exclusively someone who supports President Obama

4. Someone who generically isn't left enough for the sensibilities of whomever the person is using the term, which seems to be the usage in the above case.

The term has gone through about half a dozen changes since coined in the late 1930s and still has strong support for each of its meanings along the way depending on the group and country, but virtually all of those meanings are purely economic in nature. In Europe, particularly places like England, it still means the same thing it meant in the 1930s, a specific economic theory somewhere between complete collectivism and Laissez fairism. That seems to be globally the most widely accepted use of the term although exactly what that economic policy entails differs somewhat depending upon with whom you talk. Since I don't think many DUers are for complete collectivism, and few indeed are Laissez fairists, technically all of DU could be called Neo-Liberal if we are really going to use the term correctly in its broadest sense.

Wiki has a good description of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[Romulox]

39. It means a supporter of rightwing economics, like it always has. You are muddying the water. nt

[stevenleser]

44. I'm not the one muddying the waters. I've seen it used where economics had nothing to do with the

discussion.

Even in the context it is used here, it's not clear at all that the poster meant "a supporter of right wing economics". It seems much more like a generic pejorative that whoever indicated support is not "left enough" according to the poster.

[Democracyinkind]

82. I agree that it is an economic position.

But did you ever meet a neoliberal that wasn't a hawk?

[Romulox]

107. Of course you are. You are also leading with your chin.

Your signature issue here is support of drone killing. That is a neo-liberal position inasmuch as corporate defense contractors that make them all exist solely because of corporate welfare.

But I understand why you would like the term neutered.

[stevenleser]

110. Hmmm... lets see, wrong, wrong, and wrong! You're batting 1000!

If I have a "signature issue" it is equal rights for the LGBT community, women, and people of color. I spend more time on that here and on my show than on any thing else. Still, I wouldn't describe it that way. I discuss economics, foreign policy, equality issues, etc.

Your signature is that you are pretty much wrong about everything and everyone. You have a distorted view of not just the issues but about everyone you interact with.

[Romulox]

112. No. You don't get to decide how others see you. You have made your mark here as a defender of the

indefensible.

[LanternWaste]

117. I imagine the perceptions are predicated on individual, rather than a collective interpretation

I imagine the perceptions are predicated on individual, rather than a collective interpretation.

However, I imagine there are many who put enough faith in their own powers of prophecy as to project their own perceptions of a person onto untold (and unsupported) "others".

[LWolf]

49. Of course

supporting "militarism" supports the MIC, which is...neo-liberal.

Supporting "right wing" economics? Reaganomics IS neo-liberal economics, whether you want to call it right-wing, conservative, or...it is the same thing.

Supports President Obama, who supports neo-liberal economics...

Generically "left" enough...that probably refers to those who consider themselves socially liberal but "fiscally conservative," which generally amounts to...neo-liberalism.

[stevenleser]

53. As I said above, if you are going to allow twisting the term that far everyone on DU is a neoliberal

in its broadest sense, it could be said that everyone to the economic right of complete collectivism and to the left of Laissez-fairism is neoliberal.

That's 99.99999% of DU

[LWolf]

62. I don't think so.

Neo-liberalism as an economic policy resembles Laissez-faire capitalism to a great degree.

Other policies that support that economic policy are then also "neo-liberal."

Policies that promote privatization of public services, for example; privatization is about profit.

Military actions that support corporate interests.

Labor policies and trade policies that promote profit over labor and environmental standards.

Education policies that provide large pools of cheap labor and cannon fodder.

Neo-liberalism's tentacles are far-reaching.

[PowerToThePeople]

63. That's 99.99999% of DU

Do you read DU? I would say at least 20% of posters are Socialist. Maybe even more.

[stevenleser]

64. Correct, but Socialists are not necessarily for "complete collectivism" nt

[LWolf]

47. Bullshit.

It still means those who support neo-liberal economics, and when I use it, that is what I am referring to.

The Democratic Party has been infected by neo-liberals.

[stevenleser]

48. It's not bullshit. I can do a search on the term on DU. Do we need to go there? Because you know

as well as I do what that search will show.

[Romulox]

108. Go for it! nt

[stevenleser]

111. If LWolf or the other folks request it, I will. Not for you. nt

[Romulox]

113. As always, all bluster and self-promotion... nt

[LWolf]

140. I know

what I mean when I use the term. I use that term because the terms "liberal" and "progressive" have been twisted beyond recognition, and I think a distinction needs to be made. I also think that a close look at the policies of so-called "centrist" Democratic politicians reveals consistent neo-liberalism.

To be honest, though, I'm not really sure what the difference between neo-liberalism and right-wing policy is any more; they mirror each other pretty closely.

It's hard to find a term that some aren't going to misuse. I stopped calling myself liberal or progressive when those were corrupted beyond what I considered reasonable; I called myself "left wing." DU used to self-identify as left-wing. THAT has also been misused, here on DU and elsewhere, by those who don't understand left-wing politics and think that anyone to the left of corporatism is "the extreme left." They don't understand that what passes for "the left" in the U.S. is not at all left-wing from a global perspective.

The nature of politics is to spin;to manipulate. There may be no term that will survive unscathed. Meanwhile, though, the classic economic neo-liberal is easily identified in the Democratic Party and on DU, and that works for now.

[Rex]

131. You are saying the party has been infected by Third Way types?

Yep, I agree on that point.

[LWolf]

139. Yes. nt

[Romulox]

41. The MOST Rightwing dems are always self-describing as "liberal". Several of the participants

here on this thread, for example.

[madokie]

28. I still like the President very much

like all presidents he isn't everything I want but I have enough sense to know when I have a good person in the oval office and what it could be if wrongney was to have been selected instead. Wrongney or mcPalin either one for that matter.
The President is the president for everyone so by definition he can't be everything to everyone so I'll take him as he is. Is there things I would like to see him do differently, you bet but like I said I'm smart enough to know when I have it pretty durn good.

[Rex]

132. I will always be a proud part of the 80% of liberals that support the POTUS.

No matter who posts the poll, it is proof that the narrative created here by Third Way types and conservatives...is dead wrong and I think MOST of DU knows it.

[99Forever]

29. Bullshit.

Don't believe it for one second.

[Cali_Democrat]

91. Some people will believe whatever they want to believe regardless of the facts. n/t

[99Forever]

99. Yes you can.

[LanternWaste]

118. As you did...?

As you did...?

(Insert distinction without a difference here)

[bluestate10]

31. The President's approval is 2% among the far Left on DU.

Shows how out of touch the far Left on DU is. Yet, they insist that they represent the majority of Democrats.

[leftstreet]

33. What is 'far Left?'

How are you defining it?

[DontTreadOnMe]

98. Perputually discgruntled... NEVER good enough.

At least 5 daily posts expressing it.

[NuclearDem]

114. You again?

[DontTreadOnMe]

120. Are you disgruntling again?

Why do you even post in threads ?... oh wait, you are here for the argument.

[NuclearDem]

125. Nah, I just love seeing Third Wayers dump on those on the left.

Especially through the abuse of misspelled words, caps lock, and exclamation points. It shows a very well reasoned and thought out argument against leftist policies in general.

[DontTreadOnMe]

129. Left? I am a Lefty! Your are a "Hair on Fire Extremist"

When you go off the edge... it is BAD for the Democratic Party.

You are so far left, you are circling around and meeting the Right.

[NuclearDem]

130. You're not a "lefty."

I'm a socialist. If the Party cared about leftist ideology at all, they'd actually start embracing the people that championed the 99%, the 40 hour work week, and child labor laws, not continue marching to the right to attract centrists and moderates.

That was an absolutely horrid understanding of how the political spectrum works.

[DontTreadOnMe]

133. I view the political spectrum as a circle. not a straight line.

If you keep going "left", you end up with Communism... and you come full circle to the extreme Right Fascists.

It is a common analogy. It seems you don't have a simple grasp on political points of view.

[NuclearDem]

134. No one with any understanding of political ideologies uses a circle.

You don't get to make up concepts to justify your nonsense.

Political ideologies lie on a multiaxis spectrum with four quadrants, economic left/authoritarian, economic left/libertarian, economic right/authoritarian, and economic right/libertarian.

What you just said is completely and utterly nonsensical and should frankly disqualify you from ever talking about politics again.

[DontTreadOnMe]

135. uh-huh.... perpetually disgruntled.. again

Go up to Floor 16 for more arguing with yourself.

[AgingAmerican]

121. Your definition has nothing to do with leftism

try again.

[DontTreadOnMe]

136. It does, when applied to the anti-Obama sentiment here on DU

I don't need to try again, this entire thread is a perfect example of DUers who just come here.. disgruntled.. looking for an argument.

[AgingAmerican]

144. Nothing you say has anything to do with leftism

nt

[Marr]

46. So you represent a kind of 'silent majority', huh?

Never heard that one before.

[Demo_Chris]

45. Either these 'Lberal' dems are confused what Liberal means...

Or they are ignorant. Obama is as far from Liberal as one can get while remaining a Democrat.

[gulliver]

58. Or...? Or...? Come on you can do it. Or...? nt

[Demo_Chris]

74. Or what? I am fairly confident I completed that particular thought. nt

[Scurrilous]

65. Thanks.

K & R

[RC]

67. Bullshit

Obama, politically, is somewhere between the two animals in the graphic. He appoints Republicans. He cave to Republicans all too often. He did very little house cleaning of bu$h appointed agency heads when he came to office. Then there is his kill list for drone strikes, in countries we are not at war with, including two American citizens. Putting Social Security on the table and the Chained CPI.
Obama doesn't sound very Liberal to me.
Liberal is to the Left side politically, as in Progressive. Not the Right, as in DLC, DINO, New Democrat, or any other flavor of Conservative enablers.

The way I read that chart at your link, Obama's approving rating it 45%. His all time high was only 69%.
BTY, I finally found an 80% approval rating in that chart. But that was for an Obama Dem, not for any Liberal Dem. Obama does not equal Liberal.



And that brings me to another point. Being Liberal, means adherence to the facts, the Truth. Not the Conservative's spin, propaganda and outright lies.

[Cali_Democrat]

89. Obama's approval rating among liberal Dems is 81% according to the link in the OP.

You should be happy about that.

This should make people happy, not mad.

[RC]

90. I am not seeing that at the link.

In fact, I did not see anything about Liberal Dems.
Obama's all time high was only 69%

[Cali_Democrat]

93. You'll need flash player

Click on the link and then look at the weekly trend section.

Scroll down a little more than halfway down and and you'll see his approval ratings for "Liberal Democrat", just under "Conservative".

Look to the right and you'll see it's 81% for Sep9 to Sep15.

You're welcome!

Be sure to tip you're waiter

[highprincipleswork]

70. Yeah, this country is doing just great.

Yeah, this country is doing just great.

President Obama always takes the best Liberal ideas and runs with them.

He is in no way a disappointment to Liberals and their values.

All true Americans adore President Obama.

I can't imagine one thing he could have done better.

[Fumesucker]

73. The leader cannot fail, the leader can only be failed

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant!

[highprincipleswork]

75. Let America

Let America Be America Again by Langston Hughes

Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.&quot

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!


Leaders like President Obama could help, if they were strong leaders who govern by strong principles and strong morality and with strong techniques and strategy.

For all the challenges facing President Obama, he also was given two extraordinarily large mandates to act upon.

[LanternWaste]

119. I imagine many people are indeed daft enough to read a poll as to see what you have stated.

I imagine many people are indeed daft enough to read a poll as to see what you have stated.

Can't imagine how you could have done better...

[Liberal_in_LA]

78. yes we can

[JI7]

80. pretty sure some on DU who claim to be liberal are actually right wing trolls

even the attacks on Obama and other Democrats have been the same ones i see on other sites from the right wing.

[AgingAmerican]

122. The right wing hate liberals and liberalism

Don't believe me? Go over to freerepublic and see.

Do the math on that one.

[Thinkingabout]

81. For the 20% who wants to start their own party, now is this a smart move?

This would be like going fishing with just a line, no pole, no bait, and no hook. What results do you expect? We have some who are nitpicking about we don't like this or that and I would assure you if your ideal candidate was in office there would be 80% gripping about the policies of your candidate. Are we getting too many complainers and forgetting about the need to govern? This is the TP, right now they don't have a leader who understands what is required to run a country.

[1StrongBlackMan]

142. But they’d have their ideological purity …

Whenever they could get the factions on the same page!

[Number23]

84. But that OP got 300 recs! DU has spoken and DU knows liberal Democrats!1!

I mean, wasn't that the whole point of that little exercise? Activate the socks, get to the top of the Greatest Page and continue to pretend that those folks rule the world?

[Scurrilous]

92. This place has the worst revolutionaries ever.

Overthrow the system? Nah! Too much actual work. Gaming the greatest page is so much easier.

"300 recs!!" "We win!!1!"

[Number23]

97. You nailed it, Scurrilous

This place has the worst revolutionaries ever.

Got all the answers, think that everyone that disagrees with them (which would be like 99% of the world) is stupid and/or evil, hate moderates more than conservatives and then wonder why the best they can do is muster up 300 recs on a libertarian infested web site most people have never even heard of.

But I guess those threads keep them happy and feeling powerful so the job's done, I guess. Being a 21st century left wing American revolutionary seems like nice work if you can get it.

[xchrom]

86. most americans supported bush's war with iraq. believed in the whole wmd bullshit.

when it comes to americans liberal or conservative -- i think their compass for what's good is warped.

don't really give a fuck.

centrists and pragmatists can still go fuck themselves -- they should go vote repuke and bring that party back to some kind of sanity.

[progressoid]

102. ^^^this^^^

[JI7]

104. this poll is about liberals, not centrists

[Number23]

87. You really should have named this thread, "and meanwhile in the real world..."

[B Calm]

95. +1

[Jamaal510]

94. I find it very ironic that his approval rating actually goes DOWN

as more rightward-leaning Democrats are questioned about him, as an earlier poster indicated. Judging from the stuff that some of the regulars say about him on progressive sites like DU and MediaMatters, one would've expected the opposite to be true.

[Rex]

101. Exactly what I expected.

Doesn't change much.

[Tarheel_Dem]

103. Despite the machinations of the DU, real world Dems know the score..

In all honesty, I don't think DU represents much of anything anymore. Lots of little interns typing away at the local thinktank.

[Number23]

105. Meanwhile, the cringe inducing nothingness marches on with 15 "appreciation threads" of the same

poster. Apparently, this is THE topic of the day after the hissy fit started by Conservative Democrat the day before although a few folks did manage to squeeze in a few inconsequential conversations about the slayings in Kenya and Assad's ongoing quest for power just for a bit of diversity.


I don't think DU represents much of anything anymore.

It represents the howls of the impotent and infantile. And the past day has shown how pervasive both of these traits are around here now.

[Scurrilous]

115. "Meanwhile, the cringe inducing nothingness marches on ...

...with 15 "appreciation threads" of the same poster."

Posted by the very same people who reflexively belch out "cheerleader" and "pom-poms" at anyone expressing the slightest amount of support for President Obama.

It's hilarious.

[Number23]

138. Oh, that has not escaped anyone's notice

These mortifying temper tantrums are truly representative of where DU is right now. And it's beyond pitiful.

[bowens43]

106. He's better than a republican....but not much

[Capt. Obvious]

109. Obama's approval rating among liberals is still over 66%

67% to be exact.

[winter is coming]

116. It could be 99.98% and still wouldn't change my opinion of some of his policies. n/t

[DontTreadOnMe]

137. I guess that's like saying 99.98% of the people...

don't really care about your opinion.

[winter is coming]

141. Seems fair, since I don't care about theirs. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

143. Or better …

Claim that the .02% that agree with your opinion represents the entirety of class you claim to represent, but the 99.98% does not.