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boston bean

(36,222 posts)
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 09:12 PM Mar 2012

Proposed 27th Amendment (ERA)

Section I. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section II. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section III. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

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I've met many people who think that women, now a day, do not need the protection of The ERA.

I have been trying to tell people for years, that court decisions are not a replacement and are insufficient, and that we need The Equal Rights Amendment. Sometimes, people laughed, or thought it was an out dated idea.

It can't be about the personal anymore, we've been stuck in that realm for 30 years. What we need is an all hands on deck. The ERA shouldn't just be some old fashioned idea that was given up on long ago. It needs to be dusted off and given a new real consideration. We have watched state after state making it more difficult for women to make reproductive health choices. What the courts did for us are being undone by the states. We need the federal protection of an amendment to the constitution.

Learn more... http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/why.htm

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Proposed 27th Amendment (ERA) (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2012 OP
Please, not sex. It's 'gender' longship Mar 2012 #1
I assume you agree the ERA is a good thing? boston bean Mar 2012 #2
Of course, but it's not about sex longship Mar 2012 #5
I don't think they were talking that much about gender in 1923 (which is the first time the ERA niyad Mar 2012 #7
Feminists boston bean Mar 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #10
Hmm. The OED agrees with you longship Mar 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #13
Can you give me some examples of laws that abridge rights based on gender? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #3
I think men should be pushing for this too. boston bean Mar 2012 #4
I doubt that an ERA customerserviceguy Mar 2012 #6
I have a question -- Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #9
Well, Justice Ginsberg is entitled to her view of things customerserviceguy Mar 2012 #14
The fundies would not agree with you. boston bean Mar 2012 #11

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Of course, but it's not about sex
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 10:02 PM
Mar 2012

It's about gender.

We don't want Limbaugh (or some other RW idiot) to be able to say that the ERA is only about fornication. (They'll say it anyway). But gender has a very specific definition that doesn't mean copulation, etc.

Get it?

It's a minor difference but our political enemies love playing rhetorical games. Why leave such a large opening?

niyad

(113,365 posts)
7. I don't think they were talking that much about gender in 1923 (which is the first time the ERA
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 01:24 AM
Mar 2012

was put before congress)

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
8. Feminists
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:16 AM
Mar 2012

are usually trying to break out of gender roles, so I'm not so sure it would be a good idea, or even one that would make sense.

Everyone has a sex, whatever it may be, and the amendment states 'Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex."

That means everyone.

Response to longship (Reply #1)

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Hmm. The OED agrees with you
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 11:13 AM
Mar 2012

It does mention "sex" as a definition but labels it as jocular.

I guess I've become used to the apparently recent use of gender as meaning sex.

However, I still am uncomfortable with the word sex in this context for the reason's I gave. Maybe we will have to live with it, though.

Thank you for your clarification. Learned something new today.

Response to longship (Reply #12)

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. Can you give me some examples of laws that abridge rights based on gender?
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 09:26 PM
Mar 2012

I can think of several.

Frankly, I think it's men who should be pushing for this.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
6. I doubt that an ERA
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 12:21 AM
Mar 2012

would have prevented the various battles involving abortion. Those opposing abortion insist on the personhood of the unborn, and I don't see where a Federal ERA would change things. Many states have their own ERA's, and this has not affected controversies regarding abortion in those places.

I still think you're right, it's a good idea, and I wonder if our society is ready to take that next step.

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
9. I have a question --
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:49 AM
Mar 2012

Bader-Ginsburg opined a long time ago that if Roe v. Wade had been broached as a class action suit,
we wouldn't be mangling it today. If SCOTUS revisits this (?) in a friendlier time, would this
approach still work? I'm asking because I'm not in the know about this stuff. Thanks!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
14. Well, Justice Ginsberg is entitled to her view of things
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:54 PM
Mar 2012

But she's still framing it as a men vs. women issue. The other side frames it as the rights of the unborn (and the state's interest in them) vs. the rights of the born. Now the latter category can conveniently be thought of only as women, but each fetus has a father who has interests, too.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
11. The fundies would not agree with you.
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:56 AM
Mar 2012

It would be denying a woman a medical procedure. A medical procedure that only a female would need.

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