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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumshahahaha. David Frum's idiot fantasy that Cruz can beat Hillary.
I do not support Hillary in the primaries but I'd crawl over broken glass, rusty nails, razor blades and assorted detritus to vote for her over Cruz.
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By spring 2014, the U.S. economy had been expanding for almost 60 months, the fifth-longest expansion in U.S. history, but also the weakest and most lop-sided. Through the expansion, poorer Americans failed to raise their consumption to pre-2007 levels, even as richer Americans bid stock prices to record highs.
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That defeat galvanized something in progressive Democrats. In an effort to collect chits for 2016, Hillary Clinton had campaigned hard for fellow Democrats in 2014. Now Clinton was damaged and the fundraising successes of her ally, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, suddenly became a target of criticism rather than a source of gratitude. I dont think we can auction our partys future to Terry McAuliffes rich friends, Senator Warren told MSNBCs Rachel Maddow three days after the election defeat.
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History didnt repeat itself, and Elizabeth Warren was no Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton finished off the Warren challenge in April. But Clinton had needed to pivot sharply left in order to secure her victory. Analysis of the 2014 vote showed that Democrats had been hurt by an abrupt drop in Latino turnout. Democrats decided they could afford no more delay on the immigration issue. President Obama listed immigration as agenda item number one in his 2015 State of the Union address, but Hillary Clinton went further. With her characteristic fierce energy, Clinton poured herself into the fight, chanting Si, se puede at rally after rally.
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Clinton Democrats took for granted that Cruz was unelectable. They had not appreciated how badly the 2014 recession would hurt them. Disenchanted Latinos and young people stayed home. So did down-market white males, who seemed to react to Clinton with almost visceral dislike. In the presidential election of 2008, almost 58% of eligible voters had turned out, the highest level since the extension of the vote to 18-year-olds. In 2016, turnout dropped below 50% for the first time since 1996.
Republicans turned back the clock on the Obama election map. They recaptured Florida and Virginia, North Carolina and Nevada, Ohio and Iowa: moving back into the red column all the states won by George W. Bush in 2004. It was a desperately narrow victory, but it was enough.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/25/how-ted-cruz-can-win-in-2016.html
cali
(114,904 posts)many of them are priceless:
I am sorry Mr. Frum. The winner of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest for 2013 in the Fantasy category has already been chosen.
Yup, Cruz is going to win in 2016 and I'm going to be tournament champion at the Intergalactic PGA Alpha Centauri Open in the same year.
So in other words heaven, hell, earth, the moon, and two baboons' rear ends must all align perfectly for Satan himself to take the throne...And I'm sure Niburu will appear from out of the darkness, and our planet will be invaded by lizard people..Get a grip..If this were printed on paper it'd barely be worth wiping with.
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)If '08 and '12 were any indication, there's going to be a large primary field and they're all going to be trying to out-conservative one another. The result, paradoxically, is that the most conservative candidates don't win.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)they would pick Christi, the ONLY candidate, IMHO, who could potentially defeat Hillary, or really any Dem presidential candidate. But thank the good Lord, THUGS are dumb as dirt.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)would also be a problem for the Democrats. He sounds so sane and he was really the only one in 2012 I feared getting the nomination. Fortunately, the pubs were too stupid to nominate him. Christie does appeal to many independents but so does Huntsman and since we all know that we are a very visual society, Huntsman's good looks also helps him. While, both he and Christie are faaaaar too conservative for me, I can see many in the middle compromising by thinking "well, at least he's not Cruz".
cali
(114,904 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The only current republicans that can appeal to those in the middle are the same ones so hated by the extremists that vote in the primaries. Both Christie and Huntsmen would get thrown out of the party if the teabaggers had their way. As a Democrat, that's a very good thing. By the same token, I don't believe the republican establishment will allow a Cruz to get the nomination - they'll destroy him before we have a chance to. There is a battle royale happening in that party at the moment and I have no idea who will emerge standing. If I wasn't convinced they don't care if they bring the country down with them, I'd make some popcorn and enjoy it.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)you go hmmmm....