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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:44 AM Oct 2013

hahahaha. David Frum's idiot fantasy that Cruz can beat Hillary.

I do not support Hillary in the primaries but I'd crawl over broken glass, rusty nails, razor blades and assorted detritus to vote for her over Cruz.


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By spring 2014, the U.S. economy had been expanding for almost 60 months, the fifth-longest expansion in U.S. history, but also the weakest and most lop-sided. Through the expansion, poorer Americans failed to raise their consumption to pre-2007 levels, even as richer Americans bid stock prices to record highs.

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That defeat galvanized something in progressive Democrats. In an effort to collect chits for 2016, Hillary Clinton had campaigned hard for fellow Democrats in 2014. Now Clinton was damaged— and the fundraising successes of her ally, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, suddenly became a target of criticism rather than a source of gratitude. “I don’t think we can auction our party’s future to Terry McAuliffe’s rich friends,” Senator Warren told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow three days after the election defeat.

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History didn’t repeat itself, and Elizabeth Warren was no Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton finished off the Warren challenge in April. But Clinton had needed to pivot sharply left in order to secure her victory. Analysis of the 2014 vote showed that Democrats had been hurt by an abrupt drop in Latino turnout. Democrats decided they could afford no more delay on the immigration issue. President Obama listed immigration as agenda item number one in his 2015 State of the Union address, but Hillary Clinton went further. With her characteristic fierce energy, Clinton poured herself into the fight, chanting “Si, se puede” at rally after rally.

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Clinton Democrats took for granted that Cruz was unelectable. They had not appreciated how badly the 2014 recession would hurt them. Disenchanted Latinos and young people stayed home. So did down-market white males, who seemed to react to Clinton with almost visceral dislike. In the presidential election of 2008, almost 58% of eligible voters had turned out, the highest level since the extension of the vote to 18-year-olds. In 2016, turnout dropped below 50% for the first time since 1996.

Republicans turned back the clock on the Obama election map. They recaptured Florida and Virginia, North Carolina and Nevada, Ohio and Iowa: moving back into the red column all the states won by George W. Bush in 2004. It was a desperately narrow victory, but it was enough.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/25/how-ted-cruz-can-win-in-2016.html

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hahahaha. David Frum's idiot fantasy that Cruz can beat Hillary. (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
there are over 1,500 reader comments following frum's moronic story cali Oct 2013 #1
I'm still not convinced Cruz can win the nomination. nyquil_man Oct 2013 #2
If the ReTHUGS actually had brains, instead of shit for brains, MoonRiver Oct 2013 #3
I think Huntsman leftynyc Oct 2013 #4
there is literally no path to the nomination for Huntsman. Repubs flat out hate him. cali Oct 2013 #5
I know - that makes me smile leftynyc Oct 2013 #6
A Canadian barking for another Canadian. Things that make tsuki Oct 2013 #7
frum on crack. spanone Oct 2013 #8
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. there are over 1,500 reader comments following frum's moronic story
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:54 AM
Oct 2013

many of them are priceless:

I am sorry Mr. Frum. The winner of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest for 2013 in the Fantasy category has already been chosen.


Yup, Cruz is going to win in 2016 and I'm going to be tournament champion at the Intergalactic PGA Alpha Centauri Open in the same year.


So in other words heaven, hell, earth, the moon, and two baboons' rear ends must all align perfectly for Satan himself to take the throne...And I'm sure Niburu will appear from out of the darkness, and our planet will be invaded by lizard people..Get a grip..If this were printed on paper it'd barely be worth wiping with.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
2. I'm still not convinced Cruz can win the nomination.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:54 AM
Oct 2013

If '08 and '12 were any indication, there's going to be a large primary field and they're all going to be trying to out-conservative one another. The result, paradoxically, is that the most conservative candidates don't win.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. If the ReTHUGS actually had brains, instead of shit for brains,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:26 AM
Oct 2013

they would pick Christi, the ONLY candidate, IMHO, who could potentially defeat Hillary, or really any Dem presidential candidate. But thank the good Lord, THUGS are dumb as dirt.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. I think Huntsman
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:07 AM
Oct 2013

would also be a problem for the Democrats. He sounds so sane and he was really the only one in 2012 I feared getting the nomination. Fortunately, the pubs were too stupid to nominate him. Christie does appeal to many independents but so does Huntsman and since we all know that we are a very visual society, Huntsman's good looks also helps him. While, both he and Christie are faaaaar too conservative for me, I can see many in the middle compromising by thinking "well, at least he's not Cruz".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. I know - that makes me smile
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:47 AM
Oct 2013

The only current republicans that can appeal to those in the middle are the same ones so hated by the extremists that vote in the primaries. Both Christie and Huntsmen would get thrown out of the party if the teabaggers had their way. As a Democrat, that's a very good thing. By the same token, I don't believe the republican establishment will allow a Cruz to get the nomination - they'll destroy him before we have a chance to. There is a battle royale happening in that party at the moment and I have no idea who will emerge standing. If I wasn't convinced they don't care if they bring the country down with them, I'd make some popcorn and enjoy it.

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