Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:43 PM

Can someone ring up the Germans, and

tell 'em that Snowden is lying and/or not telling us anything we didn't know already?

They seriously need to chill already, they look silly falling for this Merkel's-phone-was-tapped nonsense.

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Can someone ring up the Germans, and (Original post)	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	OP
Well... It Appears That Spain Is In The On-Deck Circle For Tomorrow... Check It Out !!!	WillyT	Oct 2013	#1
Snowden is totally punking these countries	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#4
"many heads would have rolled by now."...or would they?	AverageJoe90	Oct 2013	#85
Wow! They have a huge govt.	cui bono	Oct 2013	#20
It's the scale of the NSA's alleged surveillance that's worrying	Ghost Dog	Oct 2013	#48
I wonder how many people realize "data" about calls is not the content of the calls themselves. I	okaawhatever	Oct 2013	#94
STOP IT MANNY	Skittles	Oct 2013	#2
It's NSA Manny!	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#9
Any foreign leader	Mr.Bill	Oct 2013	#3
Huh? You think they really tapped her phone?	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#5
That was too easy for you.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#11
Well, he had a good point no?	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#13
I would like to know which American official forked over scores of phone numbers,	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#17
Good question. Who gave the NSA those private numbers?	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#53
Who's a political toddler?	Mr.Bill	Oct 2013	#18
Whomever they are I'm sure the NSA won't be on it immediately.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#19
I have no idea if they really tapped her phone.	Mr.Bill	Oct 2013	#12
Um, don't we agree that if the US got sensitive information	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#15
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about that.	Mr.Bill	Oct 2013	#16
Every country builds acre sized data centers to store every phone calll made by us just like the NSA	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#38
...	woo me with science	Oct 2013	#39
Yes!	DeSwiss	Oct 2013	#43
It's ONLY MEH-TAH DAY-TA !!!!	GoneFishin	Oct 2013	#50
It absolutely 100% is her fault for using an unencrypted line.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#36
The NSA can decrypt.	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#54
You see her skirt was very short and she was walking alone at night...	AngryAmish	Oct 2013	#55
She WAS just asking for it, practically BEGGING to be tapped.	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#62
It was 100% irresponsible to use an unsecure line and expect security.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#67
So it was her fault we spied on her? Is there a law that says we MUST spy on an ally	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#69
No. She used an unsecured line and should not expect security.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#70
No, I understand perfectly, you just think a certain way which I find deplorable	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#74
Vile, nasty characterization.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#77
Your justification and lack of moral clarity that drives you to blame the victim	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#80
I am not defending spying.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#84
Not trying to score points, just think "our" actions are morally corrupt	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#87
Of course they are.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#89
She's had a secure cell phone since Obama became a president	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#97
Ouch.	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#99
Once secured the taps failed.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#101
Link to a source that the taps failed. nt	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#109
Link a source that says they succeeded.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#110
There's a ton of sites demonstrating the NSA can break encrypted phones	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#114
and if you're naive enough to believe the germans, our allies, aren't spying on us,as well as mossad	dionysus	Oct 2013	#82
It's ironic because Merkel colluded with the NSA.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#88
I didn't call you a rapist, but victim blaming, in a context you might understand	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#90
Oh yeah, you've been so cordial and nice.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#104
the naivete knows no bounds, apparently.	dionysus	Oct 2013	#92
I take it you have proof the Germans tapped Obama's phone as well? Assumptions appear	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#93
Where are y getting that she was using an unsecure phone?	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#73
It didn't get encypted until 2009.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#76
So her cell is encrypted and the NSA goes to the effort to decrypt it?!	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#81
It started in 2002.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#86
For as long as Obama has been President, Merkel's phone has been encrypted	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#91
And they didn't succeed under Obama.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#102
That's why Obama said there's no tapping now or going forward...	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#105
I doubt he had all the details.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#107
Whether successful or not, they tried nonetheless, now why would they try to tap	Uncle Joe	Oct 2013	#106
You expect better of intelligence agencies?	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#108
Then you agree the NSA has overstepped its' bounds and needs to be reigned in or curtailed? n/t	Uncle Joe	Oct 2013	#111
Absolutely, 100%.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#112
Does the NSA have a legitimate reason for being or should we scrap it all together? n/t	Uncle Joe	Oct 2013	#113
scrap it and the cia	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#115
How would you handle the issue of U.S. enemies overseas, are the terrorists for real? n/t	Uncle Joe	Oct 2013	#116
That's where transparency comes in.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#117
This is BS victim blaming crap.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#66
So you're saying Obama knows all about everything that's being done by the NSA? n/t	Fumesucker	Oct 2013	#68
Nope.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#71
You said heads of state spy on other states	Fumesucker	Oct 2013	#75
Forget about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor Fume, he's "on a roll" and doesn't need to make sense	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#78
"All about everything" is a lot to know.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#79
...	Fumesucker	Oct 2013	#83
stupid comparison, rape is wrong in every case, but spying is not , is it wrong to spy on China ?	JI7	Oct 2013	#98
Ok, on my way right freaking now	Hutzpa	Oct 2013	#6
...	Scootaloo	Oct 2013	#44
I heard Obama told Frau Merkel straight up	pscot	Oct 2013	#7
What, does she think "now" denotes an instant of time?	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	woo me with science	Oct 2013	#8
The Chancelor knows the truth, Manny.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#14
So because she was "Eastern Bloc", she knows who spies and who doesn't?	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2013	#23
Yes, she does, in fact know.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#35
Merkel is being awfully ungrateful	Warren DeMontague	Oct 2013	#21
Come to think of it, at that moment we	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#22
Manny...do you realize your phone is tapped and there's a camera on you?	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2013	#24
My apologies!	MannyGoldstein	Oct 2013	#25
"Those ARE my pants!"	Warren DeMontague	Oct 2013	#26
I can see you too!	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2013	#29
Shhhhh	Warren DeMontague	Oct 2013	#31
I wouldn't blow that for all the money in Mitt Romney's couch.	Scootaloo	Oct 2013	#45
Gee, whiz.	Warren DeMontague	Oct 2013	#47
Sorry Merkel that's the price u pay for 9/11 Hijackers mtg & lvg Germany undetected	SoCalCisco	Oct 2013	#30
Do we as American citizens get the same award, and for what perceived wrongs do we	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#32
Americans lost their Constitutuonal Rights long before Snowden told us we had with	SoCalCisco	Oct 2013	#37
Thank Gawd we finally voted for an administration that would damn well keep it that way!	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#40
Welcome to our post 9/11 world. Better than post 9/11 "GOP" world	SoCalCisco	Oct 2013	#60
With all due respect, spying on all Americans does not make us safe, the one chance to prove they	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#61
"DONT MENTION THE WAR!"	Warren DeMontague	Oct 2013	#27
This isn't coming from Snowden, though.	Spider Jerusalem	Oct 2013	#28
You mean. like...Snowden has no message?!?	Zorra	Oct 2013	#51
And a Ted Cruz leftist	Doctor_J	Oct 2013	#64
Ted Cruz is the worst sort of leftist, FUCKING COMMIE that one!	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#95
The Germans are more annoyed by Merkel's double standard.	joshcryer	Oct 2013	#33
Your money will be waiting at Drop Zone Zebra.	NBachers	Oct 2013	#34
Yep, it's no biggie really	jsr	Oct 2013	#41
Once again...	DirtyDawg	Oct 2013	#42
I think you are right, The Germans are lying about what is pissing them off	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#49
The TPM article says, essentially, that it was metadata. At least for Spain.	randome	Oct 2013	#56
K&R	DeSwiss	Oct 2013	#46
Can someone ring up George Bush and ask him why Merkel was under surveillance?	Bolo Boffin	Oct 2013	#52
Can someone ring up Barack Obama and let him know he's been POTUS for five years?	Fumesucker	Oct 2013	#96
Can someone ring up Fumesucker and let him know	Bolo Boffin	Oct 2013	#100
It's so embarassing being European just now.	sibelian	Oct 2013	#57
Latest Snowden memes are that he's a naive, stupid patsy	riderinthestorm	Oct 2013	#58
The colossal IMPORTANCE of his unimportance has never been lost on me.	sibelian	Oct 2013	#59
"Gentlemen don't read each other's mail..."	LanternWaste	Oct 2013	#63
I tried to call and they told me she was busy talking to Putin	JVS	Oct 2013	#65
Haha, good one, Manny!	City Lights	Oct 2013	#72
Did someone say the Germans?	BainsBane	Oct 2013	#103

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:51 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

1. Well... It Appears That Spain Is In The On-Deck Circle For Tomorrow... Check It Out !!!

NSA Collected Data On 60 Million Phone Calls In Spain Over Course Of One Month: Report
Posted: 10/27/2013 9:02 pm EDT | Updated: 10/27/2013 11:14 pm EDT

<snip>

An upcoming story in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo reports that the U.S. National Security Agency swept up data on 60 million phone calls in Spain over the course of one month in 2012.

This latest revelation comes from documents uncovered by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The El Mundo story was written by Glenn Greenwald and Germán Aranda.

Earlier on Sunday, Greenwald teased the story in a tweet:

<snip>

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/27/nsa-spain_n_4168523.html

Can someone ring up the Germans, and

1. Well... It Appears That Spain Is In The On-Deck Circle For Tomorrow... Check It Out !!!

4. Snowden is totally punking these countries

85. "many heads would have rolled by now."...or would they?

20. Wow! They have a huge govt.

48. It's the scale of the NSA's alleged surveillance that's worrying

94. I wonder how many people realize "data" about calls is not the content of the calls themselves. I

2. STOP IT MANNY

9. It's NSA Manny!

3. Any foreign leader

5. Huh? You think they *really* tapped her phone?

11. That was too easy for you.

13. Well, he had a good point no?

17. I would like to know which American official forked over scores of phone numbers,

53. Good question. Who gave the NSA those private numbers?

18. Who's a political toddler?

19. Whomever they are I'm sure the NSA won't be on it immediately.

12. I have no idea if they really tapped her phone.

15. Um, don't we agree that if the US got sensitive information

16. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about that.

38. Every country builds acre sized data centers to store every phone calll made by us just like the NSA

39. ...

43. Yes!

50. It's ONLY MEH-TAH DAY-TA !!!!

36. It absolutely 100% is her fault for using an unencrypted line.

54. The NSA can decrypt.

55. You see her skirt was very short and she was walking alone at night...

62. She WAS just asking for it, practically BEGGING to be tapped.

67. It was 100% irresponsible to use an unsecure line and expect security.

69. So it was her fault we spied on her? Is there a law that says we MUST spy on an ally

70. No. She used an unsecured line and should not expect security.

74. No, I understand perfectly, you just think a certain way which I find deplorable

77. Vile, nasty characterization.

80. Your justification and lack of moral clarity that drives you to blame the victim

84. I am not defending spying.

87. Not trying to score points, just think "our" actions are morally corrupt

89. Of course they are.

97. She's had a secure cell phone since Obama became a president

99. Ouch.

101. Once secured the taps failed.

109. Link to a source that the taps failed. nt

110. Link a source that says they succeeded.

114. There's a ton of sites demonstrating the NSA can break encrypted phones

82. and if you're naive enough to believe the germans, our allies, aren't spying on us,as well as mossad

88. It's ironic because Merkel colluded with the NSA.

90. I didn't call you a rapist, but victim blaming, in a context you might understand

104. Oh yeah, you've been so cordial and nice.

92. the naivete knows no bounds, apparently.

93. I take it you have proof the Germans tapped Obama's phone as well? Assumptions appear

73. Where are y getting that she was using an unsecure phone?

76. It didn't get encypted until 2009.

81. So her cell is encrypted and the NSA goes to the effort to decrypt it?!

86. It started in 2002.

91. For as long as Obama has been President, Merkel's phone has been encrypted

102. And they didn't succeed under Obama.

105. That's why Obama said there's no tapping now or going forward...

107. I doubt he had all the details.

106. Whether successful or not, they tried nonetheless, now why would they try to tap

108. You expect better of intelligence agencies?

111. Then you agree the NSA has overstepped its' bounds and needs to be reigned in or curtailed? n/t

112. Absolutely, 100%.

113. Does the NSA have a legitimate reason for being or should we scrap it all together? n/t

115. scrap it and the cia

116. How would you handle the issue of U.S. enemies overseas, are the terrorists for real? n/t

117. That's where transparency comes in.

66. This is BS victim blaming crap.

68. So you're saying Obama knows all about everything that's being done by the NSA? n/t

71. Nope.

75. You said heads of state spy on other states

78. Forget about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor Fume, he's "on a roll" and doesn't need to make sense

79. "All about everything" is a lot to know.

83. ...

98. stupid comparison, rape is wrong in every case, but spying is not , is it wrong to spy on China ?

6. Ok, on my way right freaking now

44. ...

7. I heard Obama told Frau Merkel straight up

10. What, does she think "now" denotes an *instant* of time?

14. The Chancelor knows the truth, Manny.

23. So because she was "Eastern Bloc", she knows who spies and who doesn't?

35. Yes, she does, in fact know.

5. Huh? You think they really tapped her phone?

10. What, does she think "now" denotes an instant of time?