General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThink Progress debunked NBC's report on insurance cancellations, and there is more
By Igor Volsky
The NBC News investigations unit is reporting that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a cancellation letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies dont meet the standards mandated by the new health care law a fact administration officials knew but kept from the public.
The cancellations are a result of so-called grandfather rules promulgated by President Obamas Health and Human Services. The rule exempts health insurance plans in existence before March 23, 2010 the day the Affordable Care Act became law from many of the new regulations, benefits standards and consumer protections that new plans now have to abide by, but says that policies could lose their designation if they make major changes. From NBC:
Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, 40 to 67 percent of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
This all sounds very ominous until you consider that the naturally high turnover rate associated with the individual market means that its highly unlikely that individuals would still be enrolled in plans from 2010 in 2014. In fact, the Obama administration publicly admitted this when it issued the regulations in 2010, leading Republicans like Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) to seize on the story in order to push for repeal of the grandfather regulations. Here is a story in The Hill from Sep. 22, 2010 pointing to this very same 40 to 67 percent range:
The debate was widely covered in the press, so its unclear what exactly the NBC investigation unit has uncovered.
- more -
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled/
This all sounds very ominous until you consider that the naturally high turnover rate associated with the individual market means that its highly unlikely that individuals would still be enrolled in plans from 2010 in 2014. In fact, the Obama administration publicly admitted this when it issued the regulations in 2010, leading Republicans like Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) to seize on the story in order to push for repeal of the grandfather regulations. Here is a story in The Hill from Sep. 22, 2010 pointing to this very same 40 to 67 percent range:
- more -
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled/
Not was this covered extensively over the years, but the President's statement has been subjected to Politifact's scrutiny since 2009.
Barack Obama promises you can keep your health insurance, but there's no guarantee
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/11/barack-obama/barack-obama-promises-you-can-keep-your-health-ins/
The fact checking not only indicates that the President's statement was qualified, but it also exposes that the current media reports ignore the ongoing volatility of the individual market.
Politifact 2012:
<...>
Other switches will be involuntary. As we have previously noted, many Americans already lose their current health plan for reasons that have nothing to do with the new law. Your employer may change insurance carriers, for instance, or your insurance carrier may unilaterally modify the terms of your plan...The Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, sponsored by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, found that in 2007, just over 14 percent of the entire U.S. population "switched" health insurance. However, this underestimates the rate of switching, because the study included people of all ages (including those covered by Medicare, who rarely switch) and because it doesnt count a switch from one plan to the other within the same insurance company...Mercer, a private consulting firm, found that in each of the years from 2005 to 2008, roughly a quarter of companies said they made changes to their plans that would result in employees paying a greater share of the cost. In 2009 and 2010, it rose to one-third.
The number becomes substantial if you add up the workers who lose coverage entirely; who change jobs (voluntarily or involuntarily); who work for companies that change insurance carriers or adjust plan terms significantly; or whose employers insurance carrier is merged or bought out. And knowing that many workers every year are already required to change plans provides a different impression than what Obama is suggesting.
Our ruling
Obama has a reasonable point: His health care law does take pains to allow Americans to keep their health plan if they want to remain on it. But Obama suggests that keeping the insurance you like is guaranteed.
In reality, Americans are not simply able to keep their insurance through thick and thin. Even before the law has taken effect, the rate of forced plan-switching among policyholders every year is substantial, and the CBO figures suggest that the law could increase that rate, at least modestly, even if Americans on balance benefit from the laws provisions. We rate Obamas claim Half True.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-under-his-health-care-law-those-/
Obama Admin: Half Of Young Americans Could Buy Insurance For $50 Or Less
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023939187
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Their daily use of RW talking point lies that bash Obama as topics for their jokes seems to be on fire lately.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)the problem is nbc`s report will never be corrected. the right wing has already gotten their message out about this and it`s going to stick. no matter how hard the obama disaster team tries to explain what has happened they are losing.
it`s beginning to look like obama`s team either underestimated the right wing or they thought there was`t a chance in hell that they would possibly lose. unfortunately we`ll wait and see how the outcome of this battle will be.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"it`s beginning to look like obama`s team either underestimated the right wing or they thought there was`t a chance in hell that they would possibly lose. unfortunately we`ll wait and see how the outcome of this battle will be."
...NBC is the "right wing"? I mean, it's the BS "NBC has learned" report all over the media that's enabling the RW frenzy.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)FSogol
(45,491 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix whats broken and build on what works. 2009 President Obama at the AMA.
Simple beats complex in the area of political soundbites. I hope this is not a problem for Democrats, but it very well could be.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix whats broken and build on what works. 2009 President Obama at the AMA.
Simple beats complex in the area of political soundbites. I hope this is not a problem for Democrats, but it very well could be.
...they need all the help they can get writing their talking points. I mean, the statement as written is about what Obamacare will not do. I'm sure there will be plenty debunking of media/RW talking points by people interested in doing so.
This should be the standing Democratic rebuttal: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023944056
Fuck the GOP and the lame ads they're will no doubt produce.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/30/1251682/-Wow-Fox-Corrects-CBS-News-Obamacare-Insurance-Plan-Loss-Horror-Story