Andy Lopez Shooting - He could spot a weapon in low light but not a toy in daylight

[FreakinDJ]

The more I read about this guy the more I see a severely unstable guy who was looking .....

Low Light Training – Part 2 ....... BY Erick Gelhaus

Normally, during low-light training, we are on the firing line with several co-workers. Every one turns on their lights, illuminating a two dimensional target at the same distance. This turns your low-light shoot into darn near daylight. Then they shoot.

.... Just like you don’t always see the whole animal when hunting, you may not always see the whole weapon – or even a lot of it – in low light. Look for the parts.

So let me get this straight - he can see weapons with X-ray Vision Clarity at Night but he can't tell a TOY in Broad Daylight

Ya - right

Notice the "Perp Mannequin" with the "Hoodie" on

[GreenStormCloud]

1. The airsoft toy AK-47 is designed to look EXACTLY like a real one. N/T

[FreakinDJ]

2. Even when spotted by gun wielding maniacs

Epic Fail

[AnotherMcIntosh]

3. Not "exactly" like a real one, unless these two are "exactly the same. The toy is on the left.

[GreenStormCloud]

5. Someone cut the orange tip off.

That made it look like a real AK-47 with a shortened barrel.

[FreakinDJ]

7. it broke off - not intentional

but of course the apologist always want to blame the victim

[AnotherMcIntosh]

9. Yep. Now the question is did the cops do that.

[FreakinDJ]

6. Only matter IF they have a chance to turn around

and of course since his hand was on the "Stock" and not the pistol grip he wasn't in a firing position .... Duh!

But I'm sure an "Expert" would know that

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Takes a fraction of a second to change hand position.

The FBI is investigting. We will know more when they finish.

[FreakinDJ]

10. WRONG - are you deliberately not telling the truth

California Law makes ALL officer involved shooting investigations private and are not required and very seldom are made public

"In the state of California we have a lot of laws that cover the protection of privacy of police officers and as a result of that, a lot of these complaints about police conduct, full reports are rarely made public," Gullixon said. "The question is ultimately what will come of that and how much will people know of what actually transpired."

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/10/29/andy-lopez/

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Federal law trumps state law. N/T

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. Generally true, but not always.

[FreakinDJ]

22. FBI is scaling back their investigation and merely "Overseeing" Sheriff

So NO - there will be no release of the Full Investigation.

Only Sound bytes regurgitated by the Press designed to make the shooter look justified

[morningfog]

4. So? It wasn't a real one. And the cop shot the boy 7 times.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

12. When Gelhaus recently stopped a driver for failing to signal a lane change and then aimed his gun

at the driver while threatening to shoot him, I wonder what weapon he thought that the driver might have had?

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Driver-says-Sonoma-deputy-pulled-gun-on-him-4944495.php

"Westbrook said he and a colleague were traveling south on Highway 101 near Highway 116 when Gelhaus pulled them over and then approached the BMW on the passenger side.

"There wasn't much room on the side of the highway, Westbrook said, so he rolled down his window and offered to move the car. That's when Gelhaus pulled a gun on him and yelled at him to turn the car off, Westbrook said. He said he responded that the car was already off.

"According to Westbrook, Gelhaus returned to his cruiser to write a ticket. Several minutes later, the driver said, Gelhaus asked him to walk back to his cruiser and then pulled a gun on him a second time, asking him if he had any weapons before frisking him.

"Westbrook said he finally asked the deputy why he had pulled him over, with Gelhaus referring to an illegal lane change. Westbrook said that's when he asked the deputy if he was OK. Gelhaus didn't answer, he said.

Why should anyone want to defend this out-of-control, trigger-happy cop?

[arthritisR_US]

14. Good question. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

15. Because that is not the incident under discussion.

Let us say that you have previously committed a rape. Then you are arrested for bank robbery. You will be tried for the bank robbery and the rape will not be discussed in court. You will be tried for bank robbery, not for your general character.

Based on the very limited amount of information Gelhaus is an asshole, a loose cannon. But the specifics of the event under discussion is a charge of murder, not a charge of being an asshole.

I will wait for more information. That isn't defending him. That is sticking to libeal principles.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. An issue under discussion is whether Gelhaus is mentally competent to see or otherwise imagine

a gun threat from an eighth grader who was holding a plastic toy smaller and lighter than an AK-47.

Gelhaus was a gun expert, according to him and others. Was he as objective as his 11-year veteran fellow cop who did not blow away the kid? Or was he seeking an adrenaline rush from a gun-fight confrontation even if the gun-fight confrontation was one-sided and imaginary one?

The question is not whether he is an "asshole" (your word). We already know that he is a cop.

The question is whether there was legal justification for him to kill the kid.

Not to worry. He's already lawyered up. His lawyer will earn her pay by coming up with all kinds of excuses for him. She'll probably also argue that his propensity to threaten the lives of fellow human beings should not be considered.

[Rex]

18. Hell if he plays his cards right, he can someday sue for mental trauma

kinda like this fascist pig;

[AnotherMcIntosh]

19. He's already lawyered-up. She has to be thinking about this.

[Th1onein]

21. I think past behavior is VERY relevant.

Who pulls his weapon on a driver while writing a ticket for an illegal lane change, FFS? This guy was ITCHING to shoot somebody. It just so happens, he shot a young kid, who posed no threat whatsoever to anyone. He needs to go to prison.

[Rex]

16. I guess they don't drug test cops?

Probably be a very bad idea. Sounds like he was tweeking.

[gopiscrap]

20. no kidding