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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease, Anonymous: hack the crap out of our "secure" vapor votecounting machines
Do this before or during the midterms so we must resort to paper votes, handcounted.
This is the only quickfix I can think of.
Elected OFFICIALS ARE POLITICAL THEATRE oops caps FOR OUR DISTRACTION AND ENTERTAINMENT. We're being shockdoctrined at every level of government. Our votes are being manipulated. If we don't take back our votes we shouldn't waste money on elections at all.
Did you know that there is not one single voting precinct in the US with more than 2,500 voters? That most precincts have about half that? That less than half of qualified voters even bother to vote?
Is there any reason we need mysterious code and etc. to count maybe 1000 votes per site?
Dem leadership's silence on this is deafening.
We are being played.
Anon could help millions of people around the world by ensuring our elections are true. IMO the majority of Americans want to help each other and we are tired of war, privatization, and austerity.
valerief
(53,235 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Dem/90%
Rep./9%
undervote/1%
which would NOT just be "reported" as in ho-hum,
it would be a BFD any way you slice it.
seattle15
(45 posts)So many votes get thrown away. I get depressed after each election when I see that my vote and all of my friends that I checked have had their votes thrown away:
http://info.kingcounty.gov/elections/ballottracker.aspx
MindMover
(5,016 posts)would be a gigantic step towards fair voting ....
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)it is simply not possible to secure the vote properly - at least in their opinion.
Great idea, not possible. Thanks, NSA.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)does not want fair voting ....
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)which we DO need, in order for elections to really mean anything.
Canada does paper hand-counted ballots, so we can too. As you
suggest, otherwise, we're just perpetuating the money-driven DC
circle-jerk Punch & Judy Show.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)IIRC, and his bizzare-o insistence on Romoney's last minute sweep blew up and he was clearly STUNNED (see: on-camera meltdown - google it on Fox Noose). Perhaps this threat from them caused someone to choose not to jack some votes?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Not only did they block Rove from his little presto change servers in Tennessee last November - like I'm sure he used in 2004 to flip the Kerry/Dubya vote - they just exposed another swept under the rug rape case in Missouri, a rape of under age girls.
For the life of me I can't figure why so many democrats line up to vote for computerized voting. It makes me very suspicious.
We are being played and we need to quit letting ourselves be played.
I watch "Up With Steve Kornacki" most weekend mornings and once again he had a moderate republican on work shopping how to rescue the republican party. Why? You won't see the opposite on Fox, I'll tell you that. It mystifies me. Let them go the way of their "5,000 year old" dinosaurs, then the big D democratic party could be the party on the right of a new Green Party or whatever. That would get the political baseline back from it's decided drift right.
Power To The People!
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Igel
(35,362 posts)The machines are usually autonomous so you need to physically hack them before you can electronically hack them.
Hard to hack what you can't get access to. That's the problem with most of the exposes. Yeah, give me the right equipment and time alone with the equipment, it can be hacked.
Give me the right equipment and time alone with a ballot box, that, too, can be hacked. Vote early, vote often, and vote in pencil.
"Hacking" would have to be rewriting part of the code. That's been claimed. But most examples of flipping involve human error--a person misprocessing the data or touch screens going out of calibration. (When it's the latter--and I've seen it on Houston's eSlate machines--it's a bit surreal. You tap the wrong portions of the screen, but can see what you've selected easily enough.)
As for paper ballots, good luck with that. Last time I voted there were dozens of things to vote for. Do I get dozens of ballots and ballot boxes, making for confusion in voting and putting the dozens of ballots in the right box? Do I shove them all into one box and hope they get properly sorted later? Do I complete one complex form and hope that a battery of counters, having sorted through hundreds of these things, counts each vote correctly?
Even worse, the voting station included people from different precincts. The computer gave me the right slate of candidates and measures for my address (had I moved, that would have been a problem). One precinct with half a dozen different paper ballots? Nuh-uh. Not gonna happen.
Complex needs beg for complex solutions. Want paper ballots, then we have perhaps 6 things per election. President, senator, and representative, plus a couple of other things. Not the long list of positions (federal, state, county, city, district; people, bond measures, charter amendments, advisory votes).
moriah
(8,311 posts)I showed each voter I helped how to confirm that their choices had been written to the audit trail tape that showed beside the voter's screen, and asked them to make sure they matched and let us know if there were any problems.
No one said their votes were tallied incorrectly. We compared the counts on the machines to the counts on the tapes, and made sure that tallied with the number of voters in our precinct. Then I helped drive the vote to the county clerk (both the paper audit trails and the disks), and saw our counts written on the county board correctly. Took a picture before I left.
If the central machine is hacked, the board counts wouldn't match up with the disk counts.