Luckovich Toon: Obama Lied!

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[kentuck]

1. I guess he never thought anyone would actually want to keep it??

But I guess they do?

[baldguy]

2. The real scandal is that these policies were allowed to exist in the first place.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

4. ^^^THIS^^^

I'm currently in a Facebook argument with a guy who thinks that Obama is paternalistic and stripping people of their "choice" by taking away these policies.

My response is that the policies are worthless -- not particularly better than being completely uninsured -- and when you can't pay your uninsured medical bills, the cost gets passed along to me.

It's basically like going to Vegas and keeping your winnings, but demanding that other people cover your losses.

Uh, sure. Not with MY MONEY, Bub.

[Nye Bevan]

3. Some of the policies being terminated were bad, definitely. But by no means all.

Anthem Lumenos plans, for example, did not cover maternity but were otherwise just fine for many people. I personally know people with these policies that are being canceled who will be paying significantly higher premiums for new policies.

[StrictlyRockers]

6. Your concern is noted.

So when insurance companies cancel plans, which they routinely do anyway, it is still President Obama's fault? Or, am I missing your point here? Please, proceed to explain it to me.

[Nye Bevan]

7. First, "your concern is noted" is about the tiredest cliche trotted out on DU.

Second, I refer you to this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023961415

[StrictlyRockers]

8. Please, proceed.

Thanks for doubling down on being wrong.

I refer you to this chart.



That you may have found ONE plan with ONE insurance company that MAY have not been egregiously usurious proves nothing. If you think Obama lied about the ACA, just come out and say it. I don't think you have any point to make whatsoever. Good day to you, sir (or madam)!

[rhett o rick]

13. Do you happen to know how many people the 14% equals? nm

[StrictlyRockers]

14. I'm just gonna throw out a figure here.

Maybe 20 million Americans like me?

[rhett o rick]

15. I am thinking it's closer to 40 million but not sure. nm

[russspeakeasy]

5. Fantastic !!!

[uponit7771]

9. Also, there's NOTHING in the ACA say the HCI's have to cancel the policies. They can amend them ...

... in force with the standard of the ACA and keep the premiums the same.

lol.. they wont, they're greedy

[StrictlyRockers]

10. +1

Well said.

[Phentex]

12. This is a key point...

the insurers are the ones raising the rates so that their chairmen continue to get those millions.

[rhett o rick]

11. I am trying to come up with an analogy. Saying consumers cant keep their current rip-off plans

is like telling people they cant borrow from loan sharks. Someone can do better I am sure.