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VA-Attorney General: Herring down by 219 with 100% of votes counted (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2013 OP
Still sounds like recount area no? Either way the GOP will "find" 500 votes somewhere and pay no uponit7771 Nov 2013 #1
The absentee and provisional ballots still need to be counted and that is our only hope. FSogol Nov 2013 #2
Generally, recounts tend to favor the Dems Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #4
Not Virginia's recount. Creigh Deeds lost by under 600 votes and the recount FSogol Nov 2013 #6
I did say "tend to favor" Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #7
VA doesn't recount everything and will not recount paper ballots where they exist. FSogol Nov 2013 #9
Bad law needs changing Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #10
Agreed. n/t FSogol Nov 2013 #11
Has provisional ballots been counted yet? bluestate10 Nov 2013 #3
I doubt any of them will be counted before Friday afternoon, at the earliest. winter is coming Nov 2013 #23
Looks like about 20,000 more voters cast ballots for governor than A.G. JudyM Nov 2013 #5
Latest results. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #12
If Obenshain wins, how long before he starts going after McAuliffe? n/t Pryderi Nov 2013 #13
Shit, shit, shit. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #14
Yesterday was a great day for Democrats, don't you think? Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #16
You bet it was, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #17
It's likely to be many weeks before this race is resolved. The Herring team indicates they are going Cognitive_Resonance Nov 2013 #15
Still a moving target, but herring just pulled ahead by a hair JudyM Nov 2013 #18
Damn, it looks like there was an error in Prince William County StevieM Nov 2013 #20
Your headline is misleading. greyl Nov 2013 #19
Do we know what is changing the results through the day? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #21
Apparently, as they canvass the votes, they're discovering errors. winter is coming Nov 2013 #22
Recount can't even be requested until November 25h muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #24

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
1. Still sounds like recount area no? Either way the GOP will "find" 500 votes somewhere and pay no
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:36 AM
Nov 2013

... cost for it

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
2. The absentee and provisional ballots still need to be counted and that is our only hope.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:38 AM
Nov 2013

The recount only confirms the precinct totals, don't expect it to change much.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
6. Not Virginia's recount. Creigh Deeds lost by under 600 votes and the recount
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:50 AM
Nov 2013

only changed about 24 votes. VA doesn't recount everything, they just re-certify the totals for each area.

The absentee ballots (especially in Norfolk and Fairfax) should favor us, so the is hope.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
7. I did say "tend to favor"
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:28 PM
Nov 2013

Locales with TS voting systems (no physical ballot) are a problem since all they do to recount is check the same total that could be completely wrong. All the more reason to fight for OpScan.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
9. VA doesn't recount everything and will not recount paper ballots where they exist.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:51 PM
Nov 2013

They just re-certify the totals for each area.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
10. Bad law needs changing
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

In NC we changed the law to require random audits of paper ballots and paper audit logs of TS systems. If there is a discrepancy, paper beats electrons, unless fraud can be shown on the paper count.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
3. Has provisional ballots been counted yet?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:42 AM
Nov 2013

I would guess that provisional ballots would favor the Democrat given active voter suppression happening in Virginia. Folks, we fucking see it again. If any person that was put out by Virginia republican assaults on personal freedom for the last four years didn't vote, they may get the AG they deserve. Fortunately the two top spots are owned by Democrats and hopefully the Virginia assembly is less red, because Virginians will need that is the republican wins the AG seat. Expect republicans to go to court in an attempt to prevent provisional ballots from being counted.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
23. I doubt any of them will be counted before Friday afternoon, at the earliest.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:31 PM
Nov 2013
A voter will have until noon on the Friday following the election to deliver a copy of the identification to the local electoral board. Voters may submit a copy of their ID I doubt via fax, email, in-person submission, or through USPS or commercial delivery service. Please note that the copy of the ID must be delivered to the electoral board by noon on Friday, or the provisional ballot cannot be counted. A Friday postmark will not be sufficient if the copy of the ID is not delivered to the electoral board by noon on Friday.


http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/votinginperson.html

Given the number of voters recently struck from the rolls, I suspect the provisional ballots will favor Dem candidates. DUers with RL or Facebook friends in Virginia might want to remind people that provisional voting's not done until you follow up with proof of ID and it has to be there by Friday.

JudyM

(29,242 posts)
5. Looks like about 20,000 more voters cast ballots for governor than A.G.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:49 AM
Nov 2013

We need to do a better job of emphasizing the importance of a full-ticket vote in our GOTV efforts.

Plus here in NoVA (highest dem population in the state) I kept telling folks who took only a dem sample ballot (many people take both a rep and dem sample ballot) to call their friends because it was going to be close. It stumps me why this isn't part of the instruction we give to everyone who volunteers to hand out out our sample ballots, it's so simple.

Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #8)

Kingofalldems

(38,456 posts)
16. Yesterday was a great day for Democrats, don't you think?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:56 PM
Nov 2013

MCauliffe overcame the evil NRA for a great victory. Flipped a governor to our side. Surely a bad day for republicans

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
17. You bet it was,
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:18 PM
Nov 2013

it was a repudiation of the teabaggers, we won both the VA. Governor and Lt. Governor's office, I was hoping for a clean sweep with the winning of the AG, but now, not so sure.
All in all though, a great day for us.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
15. It's likely to be many weeks before this race is resolved. The Herring team indicates they are going
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

to fight hard. Probably going to be decided by the provisional ballots.

JudyM

(29,242 posts)
18. Still a moving target, but herring just pulled ahead by a hair
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:02 PM
Nov 2013

bumming all day till it just changed:

Candidate Votes Percent

REP Party Mark D. Obenshain 1,100,798 49.89%

DEM Party Mark R. Herring 1,100,830 49.89%

Write-in 4,973 0.23%

Total Votes 2,206,601


StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. Damn, it looks like there was an error in Prince William County
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:13 PM
Nov 2013

I think the race is still leaning to Obershain. We will need the provisional ballots to win.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
21. Do we know what is changing the results through the day?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:23 PM
Nov 2013

Is it provisional votes somewhere? Looking at the spreadsheet from that site, I've looked at about 10 counties so far, and they've had 1 or 2 provisional votes at most in each. Are they correcting earlier mistakes? Absentee votes being added? (I looked earlier, and all the counties I saw had significant numbers already, though I didn't save what they were).

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
22. Apparently, as they canvass the votes, they're discovering errors.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:25 PM
Nov 2013

I've been following https://twitter.com/Redistrict, which seems to be doing a good job reporting on all the ups and downs.

latest tweet:

Bottom line: Herring (D) likely still down somewhere in the 700-800 vote vicinity. But that's more doable than 1,189.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
24. Recount can't even be requested until November 25h
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:09 PM
Nov 2013
Under Virginia law, it's up to the loser to ask for a recount – there are no automatic recounts in Virginia. The request can't be made until after the board certifies the results, which won't happen until Nov. 25.
...
In a recount, all paper ballots are counted by hand. Printouts from touch-screen machines are reviewed and checked against the certified totals. If the printouts aren't clear, or if the court asks, officials can rerun the printout or examine the counters in the machine.

Optical scan ballots are re-run through a tabulator, and any that can't be read are hand counted. Ballots where people voted for too many candidates or where they didn't vote for any candidate aren't counted.

The recount does not consider challenges to a voter's eligibility and does not consider absentee or provisional ballots the electoral board ruled were invalid.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/politics/dp-nws-recount-1106-20131106,0,7350310.story
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