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FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:39 PM Nov 2013

I Was No Hero . .

Here is an Op-ed I wrote on the hijacking of Veterans Day.

It may well ruffle some feathers, but needs to be said.

The real heroes are those who resist militarism.

http://otherwords.org/redefining-heroism/

If you agree, please consider supporting the Veterans for Peace Golden Rule Project.

Thanks & PAX

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I Was No Hero . . (Original Post) FairWinds Nov 2013 OP
pace niyad Nov 2013 #1
Rec! progressoid Nov 2013 #2
Mohammad Ali is my Hero bahrbearian Nov 2013 #3
I could say Dick Cheney is mine valerief Nov 2013 #9
I don't get it , whats that suppose to mean? bahrbearian Nov 2013 #10
No. Trying to make a funny. Mohammed Ali sacrificed his career to not valerief Nov 2013 #12
Thank you for an act of heroism Vox Moi Nov 2013 #4
Right On bahrbearian Nov 2013 #11
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #5
K&R stage left Nov 2013 #6
Thank you for this op-ed... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2013 #7
Agreed! The military, as it's used, only benefits the already very wealthy. valerief Nov 2013 #8
Very well written. johnnyreb Nov 2013 #13
Heroism comes in many forms. I value my father's service in WW2 and Korea. DevonRex Nov 2013 #14
I'll post here what I posted in your comment section on Kos: Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #15
I take exception to: "The real heroes are those who resist militarism." chknltl Nov 2013 #16
Thanks for all the comments . . FairWinds Nov 2013 #17
I don't know about hero, JoeyT Nov 2013 #18

valerief

(53,235 posts)
12. No. Trying to make a funny. Mohammed Ali sacrificed his career to not
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:39 PM
Nov 2013

get his head blown off in war. It was a smart choice, and the right choice. Everyone who said no to the uniform made the right choice. Draft dodgers have always been brave, whatever their reasons. I was against the Vietnam "conflict" and sided with draft dodgers and antiwar protesters.

Then I thought of Cheney, a five time draft dodger. If I thought of him as my hero because he dodged the war, it would wrong, terribly wrong.

So, you see, you could have used Bill Clinton's name (another draft dodger) instead of Mohammed Ali's and I would have made the same joke.

Here are some famous Vietnam draft dodgers.
http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
4. Thank you for an act of heroism
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

I am a Viet Nam era vet and I have had the same thoughts and the same trepidation about saying it out loud.
There is a big trap when talking about our troops. We love our sons and daughters in uniform but we can't let that spill over as a reason to justify or glorify the war they might be fighting.
Viet Nam and Iraq were disasters that could and should have been avoided.
Casting the troops who fought there as heroes who made a sacrifice does much to distract attention when the sacrifice was unnecessary.
A soldier who was stop-lossed for a fourth tour in Iraq is a person who volunteered for service and then was betrayed.
Putting soldiers in harm's way and then using 'Support our Troops' as a justification for the continuation of a war is beyond cynical.
Just once, I would like to see the President face the veterans on Veterans day and and admit to the mistakes that so many died for for and apologize in the name of a government that leveraged the finest traditions of service and love of country for something less than a clear and present danger.
This Veteran's Day let's remember that duty and honor are not commodities to be leveraged and that our values, our honor and our troops are too precious to use recklessly.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,739 posts)
7. Thank you for this op-ed...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:25 PM
Nov 2013

This paragraph especially resonated with me:

But many also thought that slavery and the subjugation of women would last forever, and they’re being proven wrong. We understand that while militarism will not disappear overnight, disappear it must if we are to avoid economic as well as moral bankruptcy.

So True.

PAX.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
8. Agreed! The military, as it's used, only benefits the already very wealthy.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:27 PM
Nov 2013

There's no pride in the uniform, and our culture should nurture shame, not respect, for it.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
14. Heroism comes in many forms. I value my father's service in WW2 and Korea.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:48 PM
Nov 2013

He was a fighter pilot most of the time. Then he flew helicopters. Several different kinds for several different types of missions. One was rescue of downed fighter pilots in the seas off Korea. He also evacuated marines injured in battle or suffering from frostbite, etc.

He went to war when his country needed him. When we were attacked. He was called up again later. He took lives in the air. He saved lives in the air under heavy fire in brand new technology at the time. He was a hero. I'm glad he didnt resist militarism and the nation was, too. Some of us still remember those veterans on Veterans Day. I do. I won't let Veterans Day be hijacked by shame. I honor those veterans. I honor my father who died in 1982.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. I'll post here what I posted in your comment section on Kos:
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 04:53 PM
Nov 2013

As I noted there, I have published this short piece on DU and elsewhere on other Veterans' Days.

Veterans days always make me feel weird.

Especially when someone says "Thank you for your service." You see, I was an infantryman in Vietnam, but I did not serve willingly. I was drafted, forced into a deadly form of involuntary servitude, and whatever illusions I might originally have had about the rightness of the war were quickly torn from me when I saw what we were doing to the innocent people, the sacred soils, the beautiful waters and jungles and mountains of that tormented land.

"No, don't thank me," I want to say. "Forgive me. Forgive me for participating in that awful event in your name. If you must thank me for something, then thank me for joining the movement to stop the war when I got home. Maybe thank me for the things I have tried to do for the castoffs of society--the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled, the emotionally damaged products of chaotic and abusive homes who have gone on to fill our jails and prisons. But don't thank me for going off to participate in the destruction of a foreign land whose residents never intended any harm to you or me."

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
16. I take exception to: "The real heroes are those who resist militarism."
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 04:56 PM
Nov 2013

First off I have KnRed this and bookmarked it as well. With the exception of the wording of a sentence I applaud what you say here. I especially like how you described the truth about Nam. As to my issue, I choose to believe that you are not downplaying the acts and deeds of heroism done by those who signed on the dotted line, nor the countless other acts of heroism performed by people worldwide. Your sentence "The real heroes are those who resist militarism.", suggests that all other forms of heroism are less than real. Thank you for this piece.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
17. Thanks for all the comments . .
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 06:09 PM
Nov 2013

It's a good thing to have an honest exchange of views on these important issues.
I knew people in the military who resisted, and have to acknowledge that they were braver than I.
Had I the space, I would have expanded on the costs of militarism. The world wide empire of bases is little appreciated by our allies, and does not improve our security.
As we in Veterans for Peace are fond of saying, "Support the troops, bring them home!"

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
18. I don't know about hero,
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:49 AM
Nov 2013

because the word has become almost meaningless at this point anyway, but whether someone agrees or disagrees with your premise, it took a hell of a lot of courage to write that article and post this OP.

K&R

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