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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:37 AM

Who killed Officer Tippit?

IMO, this shooting was never fully investigated and why this officer was out of his beat area.

Was this gun tested with current lab processes? I'm not sure, but I always thought that this shooting was the key to who killed JFK.

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Reply Who killed Officer Tippit? (Original post)
CK_John Nov 2013 OP
grasswire Nov 2013 #1
JDPriestly Nov 2013 #2
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #3
Schema Thing Nov 2013 #6
CK_John Nov 2013 #7
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #8
CK_John Nov 2013 #9
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #10
CK_John Nov 2013 #11
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #12
CK_John Nov 2013 #13
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #14
CK_John Nov 2013 #15
roamer65 Nov 2013 #16
Major Nikon Nov 2013 #4
aquart Nov 2013 #5

Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:40 AM

1. maybe by morning our resident experts will chime in here

thanks for keeping us aware of the puzzle part.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:51 AM

2. I always wondered about that. Thanks.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:53 AM

3. that would be Lee Harvey Oswald.

Who was picked out of a lineup by multiple eyewitnesses who saw him running from the scene. Whose gun fired the bullets recovered from Tippit's body (shell casings from which were recovered from the scene and ALSO matched to Oswald's revolver...the same one he had on him when arrested).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:29 AM

6. ok, but who planted the chip in Oswald's head?

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:41 AM

7. The pistol that works well outside but fails to work inside and revolvers carry casings

with the weapon. Arrested by an FBI agent, who shows up like the magic bullet.

This infamous pistol was a .........., bought when ......... and where..........???

We know all this by route about the rifle from the movies, hearings but you never hear anything about this phase.

IMO it was planted and don't bother tying to change my mind.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:46 PM

8. a .38 Smith & Wesson Victory, bought by mail-order in March 1963.

The name on the order slip was "AJ Hidell" (a known alias of Oswald, who had a post office box rented under that name).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:24 PM

9. That name is new info to me, of course it could have been setup by anyone,

but I'll check it out when I can. At this stage it doesn't have the importance to me as it did 30 yrs ago. I think it will take another 50yrs before the files are open the the public.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:42 PM

11. My quick search led me to this possible CIA handle.

Everyone should read Philip Agee's INSIDE THE COMPANY...CIA DIARY.

On page 137 he describes how the CIA invents PSEUDONYMS for operatives. The names are
highly UNIQUE, so that it is unlikely that few other persons in the world will have an identical
name. After assignment of the name, the operative will thereafter use that name in all
operations and reports.

The pseudonym assigned to Agee was JEREMY S. HODAPP.

Do you see a pattern?

J E R E M Y S. H O D A P P
A L E K J. H I D E L L

UNUSUAL FIRST NAME....MIDDLE INITIAL...CONSONANT-VOWEL-CONSONANT-VOWEL-DOUBLE CONSONANT LAST NAME

Computer generated?

Agee's book is a must for anyone wanting to understand agency operations and cryptonyms.
He unlocks many code names you may have read about.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:00 PM

12. Nope

Oswald was in possession of a fake Selective Service card in the name of Alek James Hidell at the time of his arrest. ("Jeremy" is not an unusual first name, either.) And the idea that Oswald was a CIA operative doesn't stand up to scrutiny; he had the job at the TSBD seven weeks before Kennedy's trip to Dallas, through a friend of his wife's who informed him they were hiring.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:36 PM

13. Google search also had an ex cia agent who used the Hidell name and also

claimed he served in the USMC with Oswald.

Also on a personal level, he joined from the Bronx in Oct 56, I joined the Marine Corp in Mar 57 from Floyd Bennett Field but my serial number was lower. NYC supposedly was working off the same list of numbers to use.

Also nobody remembers going through boot camp with him, I still have my Parris Island graduation book(modeled after a HS yearbook) and remember almost everybody by name.

I never seen his publicized even if he went to the other boot camp in California. If you lived east of the Mississippi he should have gone to Parris Is. Because everyone wanted California was hard to swing.

Again I don't believe he was a Marine, and nothing will change my mind this late in my life.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:46 PM

14. "Google search also had"...

Okay, so by your own admission you're very much not acquainted with any of the actual facts in the case, or with the evidence, and you don't care to actually know them?

Oswald went through basic at Camp Pendleton; this is pretty extensively documented. People remembered him, not very positively. See this for instance:

On October 26, 1956, Lee Harvey Oswald reported for duty at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego, Calif., where he was assigned to the Second Recruit Training Battalion.293 He was 68 inches tall and weighed 135 pounds; he had no physical defects.294 On October 30, he took a series of aptitude tests, on which he scored significantly above the Marine Corps average in reading and vocabulary and significantly below the average in tests in arithmetic and pattern analysis. His composite general classification score was 105, 2 points below the Corps average. He scored near the bottom of the lowest group in a radio code test.295 His preference of duty was recorded as Aircraft Maintenance and Repair, the duty assignment for which he was recommended.296

While he was at San Diego, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle.297 His practice scores were not very good,298 but when his company fired for record on December 21, he scored 212, 2 points above the score necessary to qualify as a "sharpshooter" on a marksman/sharpshooter/expert scale.299 He did not do nearly as well when he fired for record again shortly before he left the Marines.300 He practiced also with a riot gun and a .45-caliber pistol when he was in the Marines but no scores were recorded.301

Oswald was given a 4.4 rating in both "conduct" and "proficiency" at the Recruit Depot, the highest possible rating being 5.0 and an average rating of 4.0 being required for an honorable discharge.302 On January 18, 1957, he reported to Camp Pendleton, Calif., for further training and was assigned to "A" Company of the First Battalion, Second Infantry Training Regiment.303 He was at Pendleton for a little more than 5 weeks, at the end of which he was rated 4.2 in conduct and 4.0 in proficiency.304 Allen R. Felde, a fellow recruit who was with Oswald at San Diego and Pendleton, has stated that Oswald was generally unpopular and that his company was avoided by the other men.305 When his squad was given its first weekend leave from Pendleton, all eight men took a cab to Tijuana, Mexico. Oswald left the others and did not rejoin them until it was time to return to camp. Felde said that this practice was repeated on other trips to Los Angeles; Oswald accompanied the men on the bus to and from camp but did not stay with them in the city.306 On February 27, he went on leave for 2 weeks,307 during which he may have visited his mother in Fort Worth.308

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-13.html

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:56 PM

15. Sorry got to go.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:32 PM

16. I think this is really the key to understanding "Oswald".

He renounced his American citizenship and left for the Soviet Union. When he came back, he was allowed back, as if the event never happened. That simply would not happen for you average American. This guy had connections in the US government. That just smells of intelligence services involvement with him.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:00 AM

4. He was out of his beat area because he was directed to do so

Approximately 14 minutes later, and just 45 minutes after the assassination, another violent shooting occurred in Dallas. The victim was Patrolman J. D. Tippit of the Dallas police, an officer with a good record during his more than 11 years with the police force. He was shot near the intersection of 10th Street and Patton Avenue, about nine-tenths of a mile from Oswald's roominghouse. At the time of the assassination, Tippit was alone in his patrol car, the routine practice for most police patrol officers at this time of day. [div style="display:inline; background-color:#FFFF66;"]He had been ordered by radio at 12:45 p.m. to proceed to the central Oak Cliff area as part of a concentration of patrol car activity around the center of the city following the assassination.
At 12:54 Tippit radioed that he had moved as directed and would be available for any emergency. By this time the police radio had broadcast several messages alerting the police to the suspect described by Brennan at the scene of the assassination -- slender white male, about 30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches and weighing about 165 pounds.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1.html

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:26 AM

5. Me, too!

Tippit's murder was always the "Wait. WHAT?" for me.

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