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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:25 AM

On the Remaking of "Roots"

I say fine. If a new generation of youth can see this story.


They can tell this story now with fewer positive white characters....which didn't really exist.


I loved Roots when I was a kid. But I saw it recently and it was hopelessly dated.

If remaking it exposed more kids to this story I applaud it.

Great stories can get multiple tellings.


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Reply On the Remaking of "Roots" (Original post)
alphafemale Nov 2013 OP
HappyMe Nov 2013 #1
boomersense Nov 2013 #21
Little Star Nov 2013 #2
CatWoman Nov 2013 #3
enlightenment Nov 2013 #4
Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #5
enlightenment Nov 2013 #12
alphafemale Nov 2013 #6
CatWoman Nov 2013 #7
Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #11
alphafemale Nov 2013 #16
BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #8
alphafemale Nov 2013 #9
BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #15
dawg Nov 2013 #18
bhikkhu Nov 2013 #24
dawg Nov 2013 #26
Archae Nov 2013 #10
alphafemale Nov 2013 #13
kiva Nov 2013 #14
whathehell Nov 2013 #17
alphafemale Nov 2013 #23
HappyMe Nov 2013 #25
alfredo Nov 2013 #19
Dustlawyer Nov 2013 #20
HipChick Nov 2013 #22
alphafemale Nov 2013 #27
HipChick Nov 2013 #28

Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:33 AM

1. We were glued to the tv as a family

when Roots was on.

My only hope is that they do a good job with the remake. Sometimes remakes can be disappointing.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:12 PM

21. Very doubtful it will even

 

come close to the original because we live in a different place and time now, the quality of the remake attempt notwithstanding. I got something out of Roots because of the way it was done, the excellence of the acting, and the great scenes. Yes, some of the whites were overly aggrandized but I didn't want my attention to that to take away what was good about the production. I don't watch tv anymore, so I won't be watching the remake, but I hope you enjoy it.

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:39 AM

2. I agree!

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:40 AM

3. I hear the History Channel has bought the rights, and is doing the remake?

this from the creators of Pawn Stars, etc?

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:42 AM

4. There were NO postive white characters in

American history? Not a single white person who believed slavery was wrong? Tried to help? Tried to change things?

Wow.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:01 PM

5. ...not even close to what the OP said.

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:28 PM

12. Really?

They can tell this story now with fewer positive white characters....which didn't really exist.


Did the OP mean in the book? That would be not exactly true, but certainly closer to a truth - but if they meant the book, they should have said that.

To leave a dangling comment out like this one: "which didn't really exist" invites a rebuttal.

Readers are not obligated to read between the lines or read the poster's mind - they read what is written.

Despite your "rolling eye" smilie, you're the one who is "not even close".

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:04 PM

6. There were way too many positive white characters penciled in.

To sell the story to a 1970's audience.

I think people are more open to the real truth now.

And yeah I am sure there WAS a random white person here and there that thought "This is wrong. These are people." Just not enough to stop human trafficking for 300 years.

In fact, I am dead sure MOST people knew it was wrong. But it was just so damn convenient.

Just like we get a twing knowing a child slave may have made our cell phone. Will the factory that made your $15 pants collapse tomorrow and kill 1000 people.

Does anyone really even care?

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:06 PM

7. yes it was so damn convenient

that even blacks owned slaves. American natives, too.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:27 PM

11. Yep, I'm sure in his heart of hearts Jefferson, for example, knew that slavery was wrong.

But it was certainly damn convenient to have a few hundred slaves to help build Monticello, and also when he felt like a quick fuck and a slave girl was the quickest available outlet.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:36 PM

16. Jefferson freed his own children. Sired with a slave.

It is interesting how many people of color have surnames of the founding fathers.

Washington...Jackson...Jefferson

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:07 PM

8. "They can tell this story now with fewer positive white characters"

There weren't that many "positive white characters" in there and one cannot broad brush to say that no "positive" whites existed. If they didn't, "we" (editorial, and me, specifically - "blacks" probably wouldn't be here today, let alone with a Barack H. Obama as President.

IMHO, if they are going to re-do it, they should also do the full thing to include "Roots II: The Next Generations" (which I believe followed Haley's maternal side), as that miniseries covered from the Civil War through to the 1970s and included Reconstruction, Jim Crow, WWI, WWII, and the Civil Rights era.

As FYI, I was in high school when the original aired and I have watched it many times since (and still have it on tape), and although the actors and actresses (back then dubbed part of an "All Star Cast" ) are all now "dated", the material is still pretty vicious and heart-breaking.

If anything, what hadn't been shown before then in any documentary or docu-drama of this subject, was the society and rituals that had evolved in the small villages of African countries like Guinea (including the presence of Islam there). Previously, the only thing that most could conceive about any African country (where most, even today, keep referring to the continent of Africa as if it were a country) was the bullshit shown in the endless movie serial and television series "Tarzan" or the animated "Kimba". But most notably, Roots showed the harrowing "Middle Passage", something that had previously been relegated to display of the same old illustrations of "close pack" and "loose pack" (with respect to how the slaves were loaded and managed in the ship holds) where men and women were chained prone to wooden planks, row after row, and level upon level.

Haley was actively involved in the original and the danger now (although knowing alot of the story was originally "Hollywoodized" is trivializing and glossing over the history to soften it - especially in this era of rightwing lunatic ownership of almost all of the media. And as an example, although the original clearly showed African involvement in the trade with respect to Kunta's (and others' capture), there will be those demanding to remove any white involvement whatsover in the transactions and transport. So I expect as this project evolves, it will get quite ugly (although there are many more scholars in African and African-American history out there now to debate it, all of whom have accumulated and published quite a bit of primary research over the past 35 years).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:19 PM

9. I have a HUGE problem with Africans being depicted as illiterate savages

The founders of Algebra and Philosophy were...beasts. Mere chattel. Yeah.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:34 PM

15. Unfortunately it's still happening

as well as Egypt still being trans-located into Europe via the ridiculous term "Middle East" for that particular African country.

Long way to go.... sigh.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:06 PM

18. There were illiterate savages and developed civilizations on every continent except ...

Australia.

My immediate ancestors, most of whom came through Europe, were among the last to develop true civilizations. To a large extent, they acquired civilization through diffusion from the Middle East.

But I don't think it's wrong to tell a story that involves illiterate pre-civilized Africans. Such people did exist.

The same holds true for the various European tribes that, I'm guessing here, probably inspired stories like Conan and such.

The real problem, in my opinion, is the fact that most people believe that the illiterate savages were all there was to African history. To the extent African achievements cannot be entirely avoided (e.g. Egypt), the African-ness of the people is either minimized or outright denied.

And of course, the elephant in the room is the fact that we are all of African ancestry. Just some more recent than others. I would guess that fewer than 25% of Americans realize that.

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Response to dawg (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:26 PM

24. "illiterate" and "savage" are not synonyms

just saying...

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:02 PM

26. Yes, I agree with that.

I had actually thought about going into that aspect with my reply as well, but decided against it because I already sounded too much like "Little Mr. Professor" as is.

By my way of thinking, pre-literate societies are not automatically inferior to literate ones. In fact, we could learn much from such cultures.

Ultimately, different peoples adapt to different environments in different ways. The measuring stick I would use to judge their differing approaches would be the happiness and well-being of the members of a given society. The long-term sustainability of the approach is also of the utmost importance.

By that standard, some of those pre-literate societies are undoubtedly superior to our own.

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:21 PM

10. I have my own doubts as to the re-make.

Why?

Two words regarding the "History" Channel:

"Ancient Aliens"

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Response to Archae (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:30 PM

13. Ice Road Truckers!

Yeah I know.

I want to see a telling where there is an admission that we enslaved literate, intelligent people.

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:31 PM

14. This is the kind of statement:

"They can tell this story now with fewer positive white characters....which didn't really exist." that makes me so glad that thread hide works.

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Response to kiva (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:44 PM

17. Thank you. I agree completely.

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Response to kiva (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:17 PM

23. Hide the fuck out of it

There were positive white people that loved those slaves.

Yeah...

Hide me.

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Response to kiva (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:38 PM

25. I'm white and I have no problem with that statement.

I'm sure that there were white people that helped slaves escape. But I'm also pretty sure that the numbers were small. Whether it was because they agreed with slavery or because they may have been afraid to help, I don't know.

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:07 PM

19. The Republican version tells the story in reverse.

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:11 PM

20. Our family watched the original like every other family in America.

I am glad it was aired, but at the time it was our town had just attempted desegregation of the schools. I was one of the 3% white kids sent to a previously all black middle school. We were beaten regularly after Roots aired. Some of the black kids were sympathetic and tried to save us, but there were not enough of them. It was during that time that I learned about prejudice and how it was wrong. After being discriminated against for the color of my skin I could no longer remain on the sidelines when I saw blacks and other minorities being discriminated against later in life. There have always been others who have learned this lesson and tried to stand up against discrimination. They too should be recognized in the movie. Prejudice is wrong no matter who it is against. This should be one of the morals to this tragic story of our history!

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Response to alphafemale (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:16 PM

22. Here's the problem..Instead of holding the limited belief that blacks are the descendants of slaves,

we need movies that show the the bigger picture, that blacks are descendants of complex,rich and ancient Black civilization..pyramid builders...complex maths

Their rich history did not start with slavery....

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Response to HipChick (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:34 PM

27. Agreed. Don't start the story with the slave ships..

Show that there was a vibrant culture for at least a half hour or so.

The people ripped from their homes and forced into slavery were NOT savages.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:37 PM

28. A few years back, I travelled to Nubia

the artifacts I saw there were amazing...they showed that they were familiar with complex surgical procedures..that was 3,000yrs ago...
The history books have been full of nothing but lies...

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