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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:46 AM Nov 2013

Candidate or Not, Elizabeth Warren Has the Right 2016 Message


http://www.thenation.com/blog/177121/candidate-not-elizabeth-warren-has-right-2016-message

It is no secret that, should Hillary Clinton decide to mount a White House bid in 2016, she is well positioned to become the first woman president of the United States. It is hard to find a pollster who does not share the view of veteran Democratic analyst Doug Schoen: “Clinton not only leads the Democratic field in polls but also leads potential Republican challengers.”

To be specific, according to the latest NBC News poll, Clinton is the favored candidate of 66 percent of prospective 2016 Democratic primary voters. Her appeal cuts across demographic lines, taking in those who view her candidacy as “historic,” those who share her views and those who simply see her as a winner. Just 14 percent opt for an alternative at this point. (In a Public Policy Polling survey from earlier this month, Clinton’s at 67 percent among Democrats) In NBC’s hypothetical November 2016 pairing, Clinton beats the “hot” Republican prospect of the moment, Chris Christie, by a 10 point margin nationally. “Clinton [is] benefiting from the same demographic trends that helped propel President Barack Obama to win the election in 2008 and re-election in 2012,” argues a poll analysis, which also suggests that “other prominent Democrats would likely avoid the race if Clinton decides to throw her hat into the ring.”

But if Hillary Clinton does not run, or if she runs poorly, does that mean that there will be no woman bidding for the presidency?

No.

In addition to the men whose names get tossed around—Vice President Joe Biden, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley, former Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer and some have even suggested Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders (though he proudly sits as an independent) —there are a number of prominent Democratic women whose names have surfaced as potential contenders: Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and, above all, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.
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Candidate or Not, Elizabeth Warren Has the Right 2016 Message (Original Post) eridani Nov 2013 OP
This! k&r for Elizabeth Warren. Laelth Nov 2013 #1
And this! Laelth Nov 2013 #2
This too! Laelth Nov 2013 #3
Warren has spent her life working for the little guy fasttense Nov 2013 #4
I am very fond of Senator Sanders, but he's not a Democrat. Laelth Nov 2013 #8
Warren. Scuba Nov 2013 #5
Clinton/Murdoch 2016! Wilms Nov 2013 #6
LOL. Nicely done! Laelth Nov 2013 #9
Well, thanks! Wilms Nov 2013 #12
Looks great! Laelth Nov 2013 #13
That one would be the best fit! Whisp Nov 2013 #11
"Fix" Haiti, is right. Wilms Nov 2013 #15
If there was just one thing, one reason not to elect a Clinton Whisp Nov 2013 #16
Also, the right 2014 message. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #7
That too. Laelth Nov 2013 #10
The Left can keep fighting windmills all they want........... Beacool Nov 2013 #14
you make it sound like you have no part in being The Left... Whisp Nov 2013 #17
I'll have no part in pushing Warren to run for president. Beacool Nov 2013 #18
Of course. You just can't elect a socialist to the city council of a major city eridani Nov 2013 #19
If you mean de Blasio, he ran Hillary's first Senate campaign. Beacool Nov 2013 #21
I mean Kshama Sawant, who defeated a multi-term Democrat for Seattle City Council eridani Nov 2013 #22
OK, thanks for the info. Beacool Nov 2013 #23
If you haven't reat "The Rise of the New New Left" yet, please do eridani Nov 2013 #24
I love Warren's energy, focus and ability to synthesize complex thoughts quickly. bluestate10 Nov 2013 #20
Justice Warren. In for the long haul in a position that requires high intelligence, reasoned thought libdem4life Nov 2013 #25
Yes she does DJ13 Nov 2013 #26
Elizabeth Warren is the only one outside of Howard Dean I trust on the important stuff. Archaic Nov 2013 #27

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. This! k&r for Elizabeth Warren.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:19 AM
Nov 2013
Warren’s message, in the Senate and beyond, is that Democrats can and should have an economic agenda that speaks to the great mass of Americans.


Duh!

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. And this!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:22 AM
Nov 2013
§ “We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement—and you know what? So do more than 80 percent of people. Wall Street will fight us, but the American people are on our side.”

§ “We believe in raising the minimum wage—and so do 71 percent of people. The Republicans will fight us, but the American people are on our side.”

§ “We believe in preventing cuts to Social Security benefits—and so do 87 percent of Americans. The Washington insiders will fight us, but the American people are on our side.”

§ “We believe in rebuilding our infrastructure and in passing legislation to create jobs—and so do 75 percent of Americans. The Tea Party will fight us, but the American people are on our side.”


What's not to like?

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. This too!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:24 AM
Nov 2013
Warren recognizes something that too many prominent Democrats—not just in the Clinton camp but across the leadership ranks of the party—have a hard time fathoming. The problem is not that Democratic party is too populist. The problem is that the party is too cautious when populism is called for.


Spot on.

-Laelth
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. Warren has spent her life working for the little guy
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:59 AM
Nov 2013

out of all of these names the ticket should be

"Warren and Sanders."

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. I am very fond of Senator Sanders, but he's not a Democrat.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:20 PM
Nov 2013

That might be a bit of an issue.



btw, you can get your Warren 2016 banner for your sig. line here.



-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
9. LOL. Nicely done!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
Nov 2013

btw, you can pick up a Warren 2016 banner for your sig. line, if you're interested, here.



-Laelth

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
11. That one would be the best fit!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:39 PM
Nov 2013
There would be no disagreement between the two.



Or possibly a vp spot for George W. Bush. Her mother-in-law, the Quaker Oats Lady, would approve, and be amused! I say mom in law because apparently Bill is like a son to the old man and everyone in the family just loves him like a brother. They go out and do things like Fix Haiti together, and stuff.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. If there was just one thing, one reason not to elect a Clinton
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

This is it. Deceit, robbery and heartlessness - all for cramming more cash in their expensive jeans.

Unfortunately there are lots more of this type of thing.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
17. you make it sound like you have no part in being The Left...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nov 2013

nice slip there, please proceed Ms. Beacool.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
18. I'll have no part in pushing Warren to run for president.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

I think that she's in a great spot to make a long lasting difference right where she is at the moment.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. Of course. You just can't elect a socialist to the city council of a major city
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:54 PM
Nov 2013

Oh, wait---

And while you're waiting, reread Beinart's The New New Left.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
22. I mean Kshama Sawant, who defeated a multi-term Democrat for Seattle City Council
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:03 AM
Nov 2013

There will have to be a recount, but later ballots always favor Dems over Repubs, and more progressive over less progressive candidates.

De Blasio is a progressive Democrat, not a socialist.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
24. If you haven't reat "The Rise of the New New Left" yet, please do
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:43 AM
Nov 2013

It puts Warren,
Check out "The Rise of the New New Left", by Peter Beinart

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/12/the-rise-of-the-new-new-left.html

It is these two factors—their economic hardship in an age of limited government protection and their resistance to right-wing cultural populism—that best explain why on economic issues, Millennials lean so far left. In 2010, Pew found that two-thirds of Millennials favored a bigger government with more services over a cheaper one with fewer services, a margin 25 points above the rest of the population. While large majorities of older and middle-aged Americans favored repealing Obamacare in late 2012, Millennials favored expanding it, by 17 points. Millennials are substantially more pro–labor union than the population at large.

Most striking of all, Millennials are more willing than their elders to challenge cherished American myths about capitalism and class. According to a 2011 Pew study, Americans under 30 are the only segment of the population to describe themselves as “have nots” rather than “haves.” They are far more likely than older Americans to say that business enjoys more control over their lives than government. And unlike older Americans, who favor capitalism over socialism by roughly 25 points, Millennials, narrowly, favor socialism.De Blasio and Sawant into a common perspective.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
20. I love Warren's energy, focus and ability to synthesize complex thoughts quickly.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:58 PM
Nov 2013

Warren would make an exceptional President and if Clinton doesn't run, I want to see Warren take up the banner.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. Justice Warren. In for the long haul in a position that requires high intelligence, reasoned thought
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:47 AM
Nov 2013

convincing arguments and personal power, thus setting policy for generations to come.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
26. Yes she does
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:02 AM
Nov 2013

But I doubt its a message Hillary believes in.

Oh she may work it into her campaign, but she probably wont follow through if elected.

Archaic

(273 posts)
27. Elizabeth Warren is the only one outside of Howard Dean I trust on the important stuff.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:07 AM
Nov 2013

We thought Wall Street/Billionaire spending was bad and the ads were ugly before.

If Senator Warren runs for office, we'd see an easy $50B spent against her, and the true colors of the national media. I wouldn't be surprised if they all just refused to acknowledge she was a candidate, not televise her debates, list her vote totals in primaries, etc.

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