HEADS UP: Wikileaks Leaks Key TPP Documents

[WilliamPitt]

Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.

The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.

Here: http://www.popularresistance.org/wikileaks-leaks-key-tpp-documents-us-isolated-in-corporate-advocacy/

[BuelahWitch]

1. Kick!

[myrna minx]

2. A kick to later review. Thanks.

[Berlum]

3. Occultist TPP strategery undone

k and r

[Scuba]

4. ...

This should be good reading.

[xchrom]

5. du rec.

[Fumesucker]

6. K&R

[G_j]

7. K&R

thank you Wikileaks.

[djean111]

8. There cannot possibly be a sane defense of the TPP. Said it before.

Not looking forward to the defense, but then again, it will be sort of like watching Fox News explain something. On Opposite Day.
Will not support a supporter.

[zeemike]

14. No but you can be sure they will present one anyway.

And I am surprised that some h ere have not jumped on this already...with the it is just 3 or 4 dimensional chess argument.

[KittyWampus]

52. of course you are surprised… ideologues can't fathom how people are able to support a politician,

political party and ALSO be against something they propose.

[rhett o rick]

77. That's a strange thing to say. The poster most certainly can "fathom that people can

support a politician, political party and ALSO be against something they propose." In fact many of us are in that position, including, most likely the poster you are trying to deride.

It looks to me like his surprise is that those that do support a politician, a political party but CAN NOT oppose anything that politician supports, havent jumped into this thread to support the President's position on the TPP.

Proponents here of the TPP argue something like this: "How can you oppose it until you read it?" Which I equate to having a gun pointed at your head and have them tell you to not to worry, just wait to see what happens."

[L0oniX]

17. Check in the BOG. I'm sure there will be some multidimensional chess going on.

[malokvale77]

81. Not yet...

[MisterP]

57. "Blue Dog bubbas" they'll say, without an iota of irony

[WinkyDink]

110. The true defense is: World-wide Fascism. The proffered one will be "Trade helps everybody."

[kelliekat44]

113. I don't know how to move a post so i posted a link to my previous comment that sheds some light

on the history of these policies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4031179

[larkrake]

9. thank you wikileaks

[ReRe]

10. K&R

Thanks Will. I am getting my glasses now! We need to get this in the cloud all over the place so it will be seen before it somehow dissipates into the wild blue yonder as some clouds are often wont to do...

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. Good luck. I got about 1/3 of the way through it before my eyes started to bleed.

I suggest coffee. Lots of coffee.

[ReRe]

48. Ha! I didn't even get that far....

... it was all greek wacko shite. Am going to a different computer in a while to check it out... I now need more than my glasses.... think I'll have drink.

[Berlum]

65. You can bet your bippy that's intentional

THEY do not want us Proles to understand it.

[fasttense]

108. Not even 3 paragraphs into it and had to look up

TRIPS and UN agreements.

It's a corporations lawyer's wet dream and a citizens' nightmare.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

72. Can't wait

for it to be analyzed and discussed in great detail on the evening news.



Oh yeah, right, what was I thinking.

[ReRe]

84. No, MSM is not the place you'll find news about this....

...might try Amy Goodman in the morning. Maybe AJA. Maybe Thom Hartmann tomorrow... Hey.. maybe Mike Malloy tonight! All they are doing on MSM is doing the Republican's work for them on the ACA. I'm getting ready to listen to NormanGoldman.com in a few minutes. Maybe he will say something about this... if he doesn't in the first hour, will zap him and see if he heard about this release of info or not.

[adirondacker]

105. Papantino did an excellent expose...and discusses what to expect from the MSM...

Papantonio: Clinton Brought Us NAFTA, Obama Brings Us SHAFTA

[jtuck004]

95. Overview from EFF

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/tpp-leak-confirms-worst-us-negotiators-still-trying-trade-away-internet-freedoms

[ReRe]

102. Thanks for reminding me of...

... the Electronic Frontier Foundation. That's the sight we must all bookmark and check into daily for news and info about this secret TPP treaty, among others that they (The Adm?) hide from the American public. From top to bottom, it's a great sight if you want to really learn what's going on behind the scenes in this government. Again, thanks!

[90-percent]

11. Got it

And put it on my FB wall.

FWIW



Do you all think we are in the middle of a tipping point where the progressive beast within us all will roar once again?

I DO!

-90% Jimmy

[L0oniX]

15. +1 progressive

[Plucketeer]

19. I'd like to THINK we're at a tipping point

but I've got nagging doubts. The TPP reeks of Clinton (either one) and the secrecy of it is a slap to the faces of the myriad folks who'll suffer it's consequences. The secrecy of it is but one facet of this thrust to level the world economic arena. Already we're seeing some jobs being brought BACK to our shores now that there's a workforce desperate enough to do ANY sort of work for ANY sort of wages. THAT'S been the aim of the game for decades. And you watch - the PTB and their corporate owners are gonna CROW about how they've led the charge to bring jobs back to this country. And the rubes of this nation (and we're not just talking Tea-Baggers here) are gonna grin broadly and profess that we do indeed live in "the greatest nation on earth".

Hats off to Wikileaks for letting those most impacted get a clear look at the the guillotine blade just before it drops.

[sabrina 1]

25. Excellent point made here and this should be everywhere so that people who are not

aware of the games being played, begin to understand what has been going on with the collusion of a good % of our own government:

Already we're seeing some jobs being brought BACK to our shores now that there's a workforce desperate enough to do ANY sort of work for ANY sort of wages. THAT'S been the aim of the game for decades. And you watch - the PTB and their corporate owners are gonna CROW about how they've led the charge to bring jobs back to this country.

They believe, those who are orchestrating all of this, that they are different species to the masses. They truly think that the people are there to serve them.

Who would have thought, that America with all its rhetoric about 'freedom' and 'equality' could have been so easily manipulated?

And it is all happening with hardly a whimper.

Thanks for seeing it and expressing it so clearly.

And thanks to the Whistle Blowers and to orgs like Wikileaks for having to courage to try to warn us.

[tofuandbeer]

46. +1

[bvar22]

116. Ross Perot predicted the return of jobs to the USA...

...once wages and benefits had dropped to 3rd World levels.

Ross was right,
but Bill was Smoooooooth.


They ALL knew that the endgame of NAFTA ("Free Trade&quot was NOT to raise the standard of living of The World,
but to bust UNIONS and LOWER wages of Working Americans.

Our "Leadership" STILL knows this fact about Free Trade.
IT is visible if one watches the video of the Debates when Obama and Hillary BOTH promise that they will renegotiate NAFTA.

[sabrina 1]

117. He was so right. Now I understand why they were afraid of him. And I completlely understand why

he returned to private life. Anyone who speaks the truth is going to be viciously smeared and attacked and until a majority of the people wake up and reject these despicable tactics, it is probably unfair of us to expect anyone to put their lives and their families' lives on the line only to find themselves left out in the cold, because of the apathy of the general public.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

37. Enough meowing ... it's time to roar!

[nenagh]

12. Thank you Wikileaks..

[L0oniX]

13. Thank God for leakers. K & R ...d/l'd and posted to FB.

[northoftheborder]

16. Kick

Recommend

[Laelth]

18. k&r for exposure. I am very suspicious of the TPP. It's nice to get some info. on it. n/t

-Laelth

[Le Taz Hot]

20. K & R for exposure

[cadaverdog]

80. Hey all Warren supporters! Make sure she is

aware of this and express hope that she will comment on same. Warren is a voice people trust, and is not afraid to expose government chicanery, no matter where it originates.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

21. K&R

[MNBrewer]

22. It's pretty clear why Julian Assange had to be accused of rape now, isn't it?

His organization is a threat to those who want to run the world for their own benefit, secretly.

[avaistheone1]

54. It sure is.

k&r

[Enthusiast]

62. Yes. It was pretty obvious from the start..........nt

[jazzimov]

67. Assange and Wikileaks split a long time ago. nt

[MNBrewer]

68. That hardly matters.

[Luminous Animal]

76. Really. You've got a link for that?

[chimpymustgo]

107. Thank you for speaking the truth MNBrewer. This world is a dirty place. Assange, Bradley, Snowden

and others must be silenced so the corporations can continue to rape the people and the planet.

[BelgianMadCow]

24. Public Citizen already has some analysis up

it's linked at the link. Pretty damning, about cheaper drug prices (not) for example.

Now if a kind soul could leak the Ttip texts!

[Buns_of_Fire]

28. That was what I noticed in my 1/3 reading...

The leak shows the United States seeking to impose the most extreme demands of Big Pharma and Hollywood, Public Citizen said, despite the express and frequently universal opposition of U.S. trade partners. Concerns raised by TPP negotiating partners and many civic groups worldwide regarding TPP undermining access to affordable medicines, the Internet and even textbooks have resulted in a deadlock over the TPP Intellectual Property Chapter, leading to an impasse in the TPP talks, Public Citizen said. (bold mine)

http://www.citizen.org/documents/Leaked%20Documents%20Reveal%20Obama%20Administration%20Push%20for%20Internet%20Freedom%20Limits.pdf (It's a .PDF)

If this hangs it up permanently, I can't say I'll be disappointed.

[BelgianMadCow]

34. I'll aim for the latter 2/3 then,, to,

What with bleeding eyes n all. Thx for posting the link, I'm getting too old for mobile devices..

[dixiegrrrrl]

39. Internet censorship and control is the goal for

all of the "Digital Rights Mangement"/copyright issues today.

Anyone who has spent even a few minutes following this issue can see the rapid mission creep of the entertainment biz
in getting ISPs and search engines to block certain content all together.

A good place to follow the issue is Torrent Freak site,
I am sure there are others is anyone has suggestions.....

[Fantastic Anarchist]

64. Did so here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251338551

Dropped like a rock.

[BelgianMadCow]

71. I know, it's acronym salad, but I asked for the TTIP, not the TPP

these two are the two parts of the pincher movement.

TTIP = Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership. Here's George Monbiot on the Guardian about it.

Remember that referendum about whether we should create a single market with the United States? You know, the one that asked whether corporations should have the power to strike down our laws? No, I don't either. Mind you, I spent 10 minutes looking for my watch the other day before I realised I was wearing it. Forgetting about the referendum is another sign of ageing. Because there must have been one, mustn't there? After all that agonising over whether or not we should stay in the European Union, the government wouldn't cede our sovereignty to some shadowy, undemocratic body without consulting us. Would it?

The purpose of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is to remove the regulatory differences between the US and European nations. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. But I left out the most important issue: the remarkable ability it would grant big business to sue the living daylights out of governments which try to defend their citizens. It would allow a secretive panel of corporate lawyers to overrule the will of parliament and destroy our legal protections. Yet the defenders of our sovereignty say nothing.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

73. Ah, my mistake. Overworked ...

... thanks for the information!

[They_Live]

26. K&R

thanks for posting this secret document which should have never been secret.

[rtassi]

27. downloaded ...

[ljm2002]

29. Thanks Will!

And thanks, thanks, thanks Wikileaks!!

K&R

[navarth]

30. Didn't President Obama want the TPP fast tracked?

This does not speak well of the man I voted for twice.

[Buns_of_Fire]

33. Still does. No amendments, limited debate, straight up-or-down vote.

White House says it will seek "fast-track" trade authority

Which brings up an interesting quandry for republicans: Do they let him have it, to please their business masters, or do they oppose it to slap down the scary black man in their White House? Or, to put it another way, who do they want to screw over most: President Obama, or the American People, and isn't there a way to do both at the same time?

[zeemike]

41. You mean like let him have it...

And then blame him for it in the next election?...such and easy thing to do when only a handful of GOPers need to vote for it.

[Buns_of_Fire]

51. I guess that would fall in the category of screwing over EVERYBODY.

Except for the Chamber of Commerce types, of course. A lot of Democrats (excluding Baucus, of course) are already leery of so-called "free trade" agreements.

Depending on how it shakes out, it might have some bearing on whether the eventual Democratic candidate in 2016 chooses to identify with the President, or distance themselves -- which might be a little problematic, should that candidate be Hillary.

It'd be a real hoot if House republicans, in their hatred of the President, actually wound up doing something good for American workers.

[zeemike]

61. Well Hillary is inevitable don't you know?

And the right wingers are yelling, don't throw us in the brier patch with that Christie guy, who will look like change to a lot of people...
Yes we can be fooled again.
But don't look for the GOP to do anything good fro the country...they are in the bag no matter what they say on TV.

[Buns_of_Fire]

74. Sorry 'bout that. I accidentally left off the word "inadvertently"...

As in, "...actually inadvertently wound up doing something good for American workers." The Law of Unintended Consequences, and all that. Lord knows they're not going to set out to help anybody on purpose! I'm convinced that their whole schtick is based on "who can I screw over and still keep my cushy non-job?"

[zeemike]

83. It's OK, I think inadvertently was implied.

At least it was to me.

[MisterP]

58. well, how else can we keep the rightwards ratchet moving?

it worked great when we took the Heritage Foundation's insurance program or mortgage plans that fed the bankers or a Gulf plan that let off BP; just get ol' Gohmert to criticize it, and you're golden!

do you want a government that serves the people, or one that doesn't but makes a lot of propagandists and showy noise to cover it up?! BECAUSE I'D RATHER DIE THAN LIVE IN THE FORMER

[mike_c]

31. sunlight is the best disinfectant....

eom

[WCGreen]

32. Kick one in...

[Autumn]

35. Recommended. I sure appreciate Wikileaks.

I see why Obama wants it fast tracked. I guess if the plan is to sell out the people to satisfy corporations then one needs to be sneaky.

[tblue]

36. TPP has me in a fetal position.

Thanks, Will and Wikileaks! The people have a right to know exactly what the PTB is trying to do to us.

[ancianita]

38. This news is Big Fucking Deal Bad on every level. Thank you for forwarding it.

[riderinthestorm]

40. What! Attention whore Assange is just trying to make Wikileaks look relevant.

Big K & R! Downloading now

[Vashta Nerada]

42. This should be shared far and wide on the internets.

K&R.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

43. K&R!

[cascadiance]

44. Corporatists say "Sssh... It's an 'agreement', not a 'treaty'! We can't pass a treaty!"

"We certainly don't want to do anything unconstitutional"!

[marmar]

45. Where's the spin control crew?

k/r

[bvar22]

47. Whistle Blowers & Wikileaks....Defenders of Democracy

Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

Thank You, Wikileaks!

[NealK]

94. I second that emotion.

[pa28]

49. I hope Wikileaks can get their hands on the rest of the document and soon. K&R

[99th_Monkey]

50. Why can't Obama call a presser to blow the whistle on this TPP shit?

oh snap! ... he's been bought too. never mind.

[liberal_at_heart]

53. Thank you Wikileaks. Sad that this is the only way to know what our government is doing.

[LiberalLovinLug]

55. Thanks for the post

Good to see Wikileaks has not gone quietly into the night.


But where are the usual gang of frightened authoritarians that would rather not know anything if its going to stain their view of the wonderful authorities in charge of their lives? I guess they all have their heads stuck in the sand right now for fear of actually hearing something they don't like. If you listen carefully you can hear from the ground muffled curses at those "traitors" Snowden and Manning.

[blkmusclmachine]

56. ,

,

[Uncle Joe]

59. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WilliamPitt.

[WillyT]

60. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Enthusiast]

63. K&R! Stop these infernal trade agreements!

They are harmful to the interests of the people of the United States.

[woo me with science]

66. Huge K&R. This administration and Congress are trying to hide the looting

so they can continue to pretend that they are working for our interests and not those of the big corporations.

THANK YOU to the truth-tellers.

[2banon]

69. Outstanding!

fbookin'

[Divernan]

70. Thread SEVEN hours old; not a single bot has dared show its face!

nt

[malokvale77]

78. One did...

recognize their bot status. #52 above had a sad.

[Divernan]

82. You're right - I didn't catch that one - but she didn't attempt to defend Obama's position.

Or express her own opinion on TPP. Pathetic.

[malokvale77]

85. I know

it must be hard sometimes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

104. Bots are like Sand People.

They scare easily but will be back in greater numbers.

[idwiyo]

89. And a another one below.

'It's not that bad' - was all they managed to come up with so far.

[malokvale77]

92. Oh dear

That one hasn't been screwed enough, yet. ITO

[dchill]

75. K & R.

[Buns_of_Fire]

79. It's interesting that the leaked document is "Chapter QQ"

I realize that these are only working descriptions, and they've deferred assigning specific Chapter and Verse numbers until later (I do the same thing), but the implication is that there are probably Chapters "AA" thru "PP" (and probably some more). That's at least 16 Chapters of crap.

As bad as this Chapter is, I can't help but think there are even nastier surprises yet to be discovered.

[stage left]

86. K&R

And downloaded. Good for WikiLeaks.

[HijackedLabel]

87. IMO, it's not as bad as people are claiming.

And without the other complementing chapters, it's hard to judge.

But the proponents do themselves no favors by acting in such secrecy.

[djean111]

115. So - higher drug prices and the ability for other countries to sue American cities if they don't

care for their regulations and laws because they cut into profits are "not so bad"?
Goodness gracious me.
Do you think "complementing chapters" will say "Just kidding!"?

[idwiyo]

88. k&r

[TheKentuckian]

90. Thank God

[99Forever]

91. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not.

Best be some Dems killing this beast or there will be Hell to pay.

Bought and paid for corporate Dems need their asses run out of the party.

[fascisthunter]

93. the TPP is a push for Fascism

[Warren Stupidity]

96. Not possible. Wikileaks was just one person and he was given the treatment.

So there is no wikileaks anymore.

[jtuck004]

97. I wonder if our friends in Canada have read this...

They want to deny "...a patent solely on the basis that the product did not result in enhanced efficacy of the known product.”

Big pharma loses money up there, as well as in other countries where our overly restrictive patent laws work to insure usurious profits for pharmaceutical cos, because they lose lawsuits which try to maintain those onerous conditions.

Get this signed, and one might say good bye to inexpensive prescriptions coming across the border, or even the advantage of going other places for medical care.

And rather a lot of other freedoms based on the interpretation of patent laws in favor of corporate profits and power, and that's just in this one little section, it seems.

[jsr]

98. Recommend

[tomg]

99. Thanks so much. I downloaded my copy and

posted the wikileaks site on facebook. Even if it is legalese muck and mind-numbingly dense, we need to disseminate it as widely as possible. I posted it with the EFF's article on some of the implications. Again, thanks.

[Tuesday_Morning]

100. K & R

Thanks Wikileaks!

[gopiscrap]

101. excellent

[RainDog]

103. k&r n/t

[AzDar]

106. Wikileaks!

[WinkyDink]

109. Let's bet on whether they will make it onto network "news." I crack myself up!

[snot]

112. Thank you, Wikileaks and Julian Assange!

[djean111]

114. Since anyone who questions anything AT ALL that Obama does is now an "ideologue",

I believe that is the poo to be flung, not actual support of the TPP.

ideo·logue
noun \ˈī-dē-ə-ˌlȯg, -ˌläg\

: someone who very strongly supports and is guided by the ideology of a particular group

: an impractical idealist : theorist

: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

The irony - it burns!