Another wrote: “If Sarah Palin's this shocked by Pope Francis, she'll be catatonic when she finally

[applegrove]

"Another wrote: “If Sarah Palin's this shocked by Pope Francis, she'll be catatonic when she finally gets round to reading about Jesus in the New Testament.”"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sarah-palin-fears-liberal-pope-francis-being-influenced-by-the-sneering-media-8937069.html

[Scuba]

1. "Reading"? What's this "reading" you speak of?

[applegrove]

3. Duzy!!!

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Well, either Sarah can read

or those were pictures on her palm.

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Yes, that surprised me, too

[malaise]

39. ROFL

DUzy

[hrmjustin]

50. .

[progressoid]

70. It's also available as a picture book...

http://www.bricktestament.com/home.html

[G_j]

2. perfect!

[idwiyo]

4. ...

[bluestate10]

6. Give her time, she hasn't finished reading her hands. nt

[BlueStreak]

7. When what?

It ain't likely she is going to learn anything from the Bible any time soon.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

8. She's literally too stupid to insult. nt

[LittleGirl]

29. snicker

that's just funny.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

34. Paraphrased from the Hangover ...

... wish I could take credit.

[RedSpartan]

9. Nonsense.

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As any good Christian Republican can tell you, if there is anything that Jesus taught us, it's that the sick and the poor are nothing but lazy moochers. Losers deserving of our scorn.

Instead:

"Blessed are the rich, for their wealth shall trickle down upon the flock of the great unwashed."
--Republicans 3:16

[tofuandbeer]

18. :D

[awoke_in_2003]

20. To modify a line from the Outlaw Josie Wales...

don't piss down my back and tell me it's trickle down economics

[nikto]

27. You forgot to mention...

Jesus carried a 9Millimeter with a 15-round clip.
Concealed, ofcourse.

That is the reason there were no hold-ups at the Last Supper.

[BlueMTexpat]

54. Straight from the Gospel of Raygun. eom

[marble falls]

10. Sarah Palin catatonic for any reason at all would be a good thing.

[2naSalit]

26. +10000!

[Half-Century Man]

12. People in cults frequently are surprised by the lack of support

from the main stream religion institutions. One of the benefits of being in a cult is throwing away actually thinking about your religion. Cult leaderships know cult never survive a reformation.

[cantbeserious]

13. I Thought Jaysus Was Republican

eom

[Chaco Dundee]

14. that sweet little shit

Sarah Palin is to dumb to push a chain uphill.though she keeps trying.

[Drahthaardogs]

15. Sarah left the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis could call her a quitter....

[No Vested Interest]

52. I don't think Pope Francis would be unkind to her -

It's not in his nature to be unkind.

I did understand that Sarah Palin was baptized Catholic, but don't know if she was raised Catholic - sacraments, etc., by her parents.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Francis is very unkind to LGBT people, he built his career attacking us.

I ask that you inform yourself. Palin says Obama is a Socialist Kenyan so her view of who is 'liberal' is utterly without merit.
Francis has said gay people are an attack on God, that adoption by gay parents is a form of discrimination against children and his verbiage in Argentina was so foul that the President of Argentina said it was 'Medival and suggestive of the Inquistion'.
He is anti gay, he is anti choice. He is an aggressive rhetorician in his attacks on gay people. To say otherwise is simply false.
He is in my view and exceptionally cruel person with a foul tongue.

[No Vested Interest]

63. I am sorry for your pain. nt

[mountain grammy]

71. I'm not Catholic, or anything for that matter, but what the Pope says does matter.

He has, in the past, said and done all the things you said. But now he's sounding better. Maybe his elevation to the highest level has had a humbling effect on him, maybe he's trying to be more like Jesus, I don't know. I just know after the last Pope, this man is appealing. Only time will tell if he has really changed in his heart.

[zeemike]

16. She don't need to read no new testament.

Her dominionist preacher will tell her what it says...

[mountain grammy]

17. “Christianist baffled by an encounter with Christianity.”

tweeted Tom Sutcliffe of Radio 4.

[The CCC]

19. Another wrote: “If Sarah Palin's this shocked by Pope Francis, she'll be catatonic when she finally

Everyone is entitled to believe anything they want. I believe that woman is an idiot. As proof I offer her own statements as an example.

[alfredo]

21. She's the mouth that bored.

[freshwest]

22. OMG!! From the link, Francis said:

Indeed, Pope Francis has impressed communities worldwide with his modest and thrifty attitude and more liberal teachings on women, abortion and homosexuality.

In July he suggested a more permissive attitude towards gay couples, remarking that it was not up to him to make judgements on the sexual orientation of clergy as long as they were searching for God and had goodwill....

Pope Francis has also eschewed the traditional Popemobile for a Ford Fiesta and more recently cast out the 'Bishop of Bling' from his German palace with its £20,000 bathtub and walk in wardrobe. There are now plans for it to be turned into a soup kitchen for poor people.

His war on corruption continued on Monday when Pope Francis delivered an impassioned sermon, during which he quoted a passage from the bible that said Christians who donated money to the church but stole from the state were leading a “double life and deserved to be tied to a rock and cast into the sea".

Conservative heads are exploding now:



Clean up on aisle Riiiight.

[theHandpuppet]

24. I could provide you with plenty of quotes...

...about how Pope Francis truly stands on these issues, but then this thread would probably get locked. Funny how that works here on GD.

[freshwest]

28. We'll never really know until we see substantive change. But he's not a business as usual guy. And

this is not the time in the history of the planet for that.

Sarah Palin is likely 'investigating' delusional sites like Conservapedia or The Conservative Bible Project (or something to that effect) in which they are working to eliminate all references to the Bible they consider to be liberal.

We already know St. Sarah of Wasilla is on the wrong side of every issue. These was progress made in 2011 in Monterey, Mexico:

Mexican bishop tells gays, lesbians: ‘The church is your home’

Posted on April 1, 2011

https://northernbarbarians.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/mexican-bishop-tells-gays-lesbians-the-church-is-your-home/

It's a good read, refreshing. Give it a try. I've read of gay groups who meet in Catholic churches in San Francisco approved by the DIocese. Don't have the link to that one, though. Change is coming.

[theHandpuppet]

31. I'm not going to debate you

Though I easily could; it's obvious that while posters like yourself are free to post whatever you like -- in the Pope's favor, of course, and no matter how trivial or downright misleading -- threads critical of his stand on the issues, regardless of the legitimacy of the citations or the research, get locked as "Off Topic". The truth is, Pope Francis is opposed to abortion, birth control, gay marriage, gay adoption, the ordination of women, and feminism. These issues are critically important to me as a woman, a gay woman and a progressive. To see the flag of a misogynist homophobe waved in my face every day, several times a day is something I find personally insulting and hurtful. But the message here on DU is clear -- take it and like it or we'll shut you up.

[freshwest]

35. You must be thinking of someone else. I'm just celebrating the possibility of change.

There is no 'post whatever you like -- in the Pope's favor, of course, and no matter how trivial or downright misleading' that I am engagin in.

I am neither a Catholic, a believer, a misogynist, a rightwinger, anti-abortion or any of those things you may have lumped me in with in your post. I am a hard agnostic, don't allow anyone to tell me what to do or think, and never have. I have my own view of reality.

I am a feminist, have been for half a century and civil rights advocate for all that time, currently involved in issues we aren't going to discuss here.

I don't have any illusions about the danger of all religion in our society, but they aren't going away. At times I have been forced to find alliance with them, but am not comfortable. I am the worst kind of Xtian, a heretic.

Please read my Journal and then get back to me. You'll see my position is Feminist and that I have posted on it widely. I am female, have LGBT in immediate family, don't have anything to do with any group unless they lend a helping hand to the disabled. Iam fearful of all religion and conservative impacts on my life and those I care about. They are a real threat to me personally.

That being said, I have no objections to your views, which mirror mine without being hostile to anyone. My Recs which match most of yours and we are not ideologically opposed.

IDK what you are talking about DU's message to 'take it and like it or we'll shut you up' but I have an extensive Ignore list. I don't read crap from bigots of any kind, they are not worth my time or effort. I have been the subject of a great many attacks for supporting Obama and Democrats. My local reps are all very liberal. I proudly voted for marriage equality until it passed.

If that or my Ignore list offends, I don't apologize, as I have nothing to be sorry about, IMHO. I see that I am not going to be able to post anything that I think is hopeful on a thread like this without being misunderstood. I support change, not a man.

[Marie Marie]

36. +1000

[theHandpuppet]

40. My intent was not to hurt you

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And if you were wounded by my post, I sincerely apologize.

I don't see how I can thoroughly explain to you where I'm coming from without risking getting this thread locked, which is certainly not my intention. However, in way of an abbreviated explanation I can tell you that I have felt absolutely bombarded by Pope threads here on GD and LBN, usually in the form of gushing praise and misinformation. Frankly, I have been dumbfounded that on a supposedly progressive forum where support for choice, women's rights, gay rights, etc should be a given, why are we celebrating someone whose track record and current stances are opposed to all of the things in which we supposedly believe? When did it become acceptable here to censure any criticism of these policies and the people who preach them? Since when did the Pope become immune to criticism here on DU? I am confused and angry about this and am a bit raw from having to defend what I have felt are legitimate political and social criticisms.
I feel the passages you provided in post 22 were, to some extent, misleading about where the Pope really stands on the issues. That's what I reacted to, perhaps too quickly and too angrily, because I know if I rebut them with facts there's a chance that this thread could get locked. I'm glad you take comfort in being hopeful; for me, the battle continues. The unrelenting oppression and policies of powerful, conservative leaders such as the Pope are vastly more dangerous to women and gays than an idiot like Sarah Palin could ever dream of being.
Again, my apologies for taking out too many of my frustrations in my post to you. I really think that after 11 years at DU it is perhaps time for me to bid this gathering place goodbye. It is not good for my spirit to be constantly pounded every day by some who have turned a misogynist homophobe into a DU hero. (not you)

[theHandpuppet]

42. One last thing...

... just to provide some context.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4009872
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4025304
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024020353

[MADem]

55. Threads only get locked if the OP is problematic, not the responses to the OP.

It isn't the job of hosts to police the direction of a discussion.

Individual POSTS can be "hidden" by juries, but that's an entirely different process.

If you have to leave DU because not everyone is willing to hate on the Pope like you want them to, well, have a nice life.

[Bluenorthwest]

61. So telling the truth about the Pope's views is 'hating on him'?

Those who claim Francis supports gay rights are not being honest at all. They speak falsely, and that is hurtful and harmful to the people who Francis attacks. He calls same sex marriage 'a destructive attack on God' plan' and yet some here claim he speaks in favor of gay couples. That is unacceptable.
Words of the actual man Francis on marriage equality:
“Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/world/americas/14argentina.html?_r=3&

Who is doing the actual 'hating on' others? All I ask of Francis and his followers is that they stop trash talking my family and leave us alone. What they say about us is seriously vile.
You can have your own opinion, but you don't get to make up your own facts. Folks on DU need to stop claiming falsely that Francis is in favor of equality.

[MADem]

64. You are being disingenuous. You are quoting him as a bishop, not as a Pope.

His view on the subject has undergone a metamorphosis, as his own more recent statements make apparent.

I'm not suggesting he's going to be hanging a rainbow flag from the Vatican next week, I'm not suggesting--and nor is anyone else--that he is "pro-equality," but he's on the road to change. People who are forced to go back to old comments without including his more recent ones are pushing their own agenda--and that's a "hating on the Pope" agenda.

I'm not suggesting that a) He's perfect or b) He's right (he won't ordain women, so right there, he's off the mark), but he's making progress. Like it or not, Catholics--good ones, bad ones, lapsed ones, and cafeteria ones--make up a huge number of the people in this world. Trying to move an entrenched community is like trying to turn an aircraft carrier--it is done incrementally and it takes a long time. He is moving the ship, even if he's doing it slowly, and that cannot be denied.

I don't think cutting Catholics out of our lives because their leadership is slowly--as opposed to quickly--changing, cuts it. I think any time their leadership makes a move in the right direction that's hopeful. And this guy is plainly making a move in the right direction.

So, here are some links for you, that show the guy's attitude as the leader of the church:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge/

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/19/pope-francis-church-cant-interfere-with-gays/

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000097277&story_title=the-ground-has-shifted-on-gay-rights-and-the-church-needs-pope-francis


If you want to reject the guy for not being perfect and fully evolved, go ahead. I can't and won't tell you what to do. For my part, though, even though I can't agree with everything this fellow believes, I think he's going the right way and I'm going to cheer him along his path.

[Bluenorthwest]

60. It is wrong for you to claim Francis words about celebate clergy apply to gay couples

because Francis was very clear he was speaking about celebates only. He has in fact called gay couples 'a destructive attack on God'.
Francis on marriage equality:
"“Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/world/americas/14argentina.html?_r=3&

Honesty is all we ask. Francis is opposed to any rights for gay people and he trash talks us with regularity.

[Little Star]

23. omg, that is sooo funny.

[gopiscrap]

25. excellent

[Berlum]

30. As would all the Kristo-Kreep RepubliVangelists (R)

just sayin...

[TNNurse]

32. She says Liberal

like it is a bad thing......she is, as usual.....WRONG.

[Dollysmom]

33. Huh?

She wants to look into his "messaging" and his "agenda." Uh, honey, that would be the New Testament. You know, the one that DOESN'T say "Fuck the poor. Screw the sick. Drop bombs on those who offend you."

[Marie Marie]

37. Her Highness passing judgement on His Holiness.

Love or hate the new Pope, Sarah is not qualified to pass judgment on anyone. She is and always will be an idiot of the first order.

[AmBlue]

38. BWAHAHAHA!!!

Ain't it the truth. And, really, why are we still talking about this PARIAH SAILIN'??? Not worth the breath...

[efhmc]

41. Marvelous.

[Half-Century Man]

43. American Exceptionism

We have the worlds loudest, proudest arrogant dipshits; who actively seek exposure.

Take that N. Korea!

You only have one, We've got an entire bouquet of buffoons.

[trusty elf]

48. ..........

[IMG][/IMG]

[pinboy3niner]

51. Took me a sec, LMAO!

[Phlem]

44. She's a Cockroach,

the kind that eats small chickens.



-p

[libdem4life]

45. Perhaps we could email her a copy of The Beatitudes. The Fundies always stutter over that and it's

painful to watch.

Well, He didn't necessarily mean it That Way, that was then, this is now, but it's all literally true, except for what got lost in 15 translations, but then we only put back in what God said, that Medieval King James heard directly in English, and who are we to judge only God can judge, well, except for this one little thing here, but why are you against God's will, God said it-I believe it in whatever language He speaks, unbelievers will never understand, belief is like the tennis shoes found on dinosaurs you can't explain everything to the small human mind...yadayadayada.

[silvershadow]

46. And when asked in an interview which books of the bible she reads regularly, she said

"Oh, you know, all of them". At least, that's how it went down in my head.

[Maynar]

47. Heard a bit on the radio

how the Mafia is not pleased with Pope Francis for speaking out against, well, what the Mafia does.

I realize it's a false equivalency, but it still makes me go, "hmmm.."

[applegrove]

49. I thought the exact same thing.

[Alkene]

53. Sarah who?

And apparently it said something that mattered? Must'a missed that.

[liberal N proud]

56. I don't think that will ever happen

Unless it is written on the palm of her hand.

[packman]

57. Wouldn't be a discussion if we didn't include:

Al Franken's famous "Supply Side Jesus"

[toby jo]

59. Supply-Side Jesus

Franken, I'm gonna chuckle all day on that.

[CFLDem]

62. The Bible is for bashing

other people over the head with, not highfalutin reading!

[MADem]

65. Catholics don't read it.

It's more decorative than anything else.

[No Vested Interest]

72. Not really accurate. Many do read and study...

the Bible.
Not in the sense that many Protestants memorize chapter and verses.
Catholics have readings from the Old and New Testaments during Masses, Sunday and weekdays.
The readings are on a three year schedule, last I heard.
If one is a regular church-attending Catholic, he/she will be very familiar with the Bible as one matures.
Some parishes and groups have Bible study.
Many of the Old Testament books are passed over, by most Catholics - Leviticus, for example.

[MADem]

73. Most Catholics I know don't know a damn thing about it, save "readings from the Gospel" at mass and

the most familiar book to them is a "missal" not a Bible.

I've lived in Catholic countries back when they were 99 and 9/10ths percent Catholic, when going to church in suits and hats was mandatory, way back when the mass was in Latin, and never seen a focus on the Bible, never mind anyone studying it.

I've known old folks who have been Catholic all their lives, raised in the faith, never missed a Sunday or Holy Day of Obligation, and they are dismissive of "Bible thumpers" and don't regard the tome as controlling in the slightest.

I guess different people have different perspectives, but I've never known a single, solitary Catholic who has placed any particular stock in the Bible or given much of a hoot about chapters-and-verse. That kind of thing is a big deal amongst the Protestants I've known, though. The less liturgical they are, the more interested in memorizing bits and pieces of that book they seem to be, in my experience.

[Isoldeblue]

66. This is my message to the tundratart and the teahadists

Twisting the gospel to suit her own narcissistic agenda.
Somebody Else's Jesus By Shemekia Copeland

[MisterP]

67. just wait 'til she finds out the Torah is Jewish, too!

&list=FLoIyjDrw7GueETAVvhTItlQ&index=26

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. Becoming catatonic would be an upgrade in Sarah's thinking abilities.

[robbob]

69. A quote from Sarah in the article:

"There again, unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I’m not going to just trust what I hear in the media.”

...can she even speak English? Twit.