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Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:52 AM

 

The DU jury system works

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024044488#post34

Thank goodness!

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Reply The DU jury system works (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP
daleanime Nov 2013 #1
Scuba Nov 2013 #2
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #14
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #19
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #53
In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #33
SidDithers Nov 2013 #36
sufrommich Nov 2013 #42
Beacool Nov 2013 #64
TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #3
B Calm Nov 2013 #4
hobbit709 Nov 2013 #5
Igel Nov 2013 #26
B Calm Nov 2013 #55
LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #6
ProSense Nov 2013 #7
TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #73
ProSense Nov 2013 #8
bahrbearian Nov 2013 #9
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #10
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #13
LineLineReply .
Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #56
Logical Nov 2013 #11
ananda Nov 2013 #16
Logical Nov 2013 #18
L0oniX Nov 2013 #32
pipi_k Nov 2013 #45
treestar Nov 2013 #58
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #12
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #15
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #24
Number23 Nov 2013 #67
L0oniX Nov 2013 #30
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #49
woo me with science Nov 2013 #54
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #17
L0oniX Nov 2013 #50
PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #20
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #21
hobbit709 Nov 2013 #22
In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #34
idwiyo Nov 2013 #37
L0oniX Nov 2013 #51
arely staircase Nov 2013 #61
L0oniX Nov 2013 #62
arely staircase Nov 2013 #63
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #69
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #23
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #25
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #28
KittyWampus Nov 2013 #39
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #47
randome Nov 2013 #71
hootinholler Nov 2013 #66
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #75
FatBuddy Nov 2013 #27
LittleBlue Nov 2013 #29
tammywammy Nov 2013 #38
LittleBlue Nov 2013 #43
tammywammy Nov 2013 #44
hrmjustin Nov 2013 #70
G_j Nov 2013 #31
leftstreet Nov 2013 #46
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #35
NuclearDem Nov 2013 #41
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #48
jsr Nov 2013 #40
LiberalAndProud Nov 2013 #52
treestar Nov 2013 #57
warrprayer Nov 2013 #59
arely staircase Nov 2013 #60
Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #68
randome Nov 2013 #65
hrmjustin Nov 2013 #72
Johnny Ready Nov 2013 #74

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:25 AM

1. Glad someones found work.....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:12 AM

2. The Clinton trolls are keeping busy.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:55 AM

14. But the agitating trolls are just fine. I'd say "ratfucking" instead of agitating...

 

but then MY post would get hidden.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:07 PM

53. and some not so good luck. I'd provide a link but can't be bothered.

 

Happy to bump this thread, it's a great example of how some people can get away with BLATANTLY breaking the rules and get away with it.

I am happy to provide links to illustrate that.:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023971663
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023612572

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:04 AM

33. This is what I do to stay out of trouble over the winter.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:14 AM

36. Nailed it...



Sid

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:29 AM

42. Why would someone who supports Hillary Clinton on

a democratic board be considered a troll ? I swear DU is becoming one of the least relevant boards as far as democratic politics are concerned,it's beyond silly at this point.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:16 PM

64. I thought the same thing.

As for alerting, I have never alerted once in my years here, nor have I placed anyone on ignore. Unlike the crybabies who can't take it and always run to the moderators.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:27 AM

3. Stupid ass alert

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:33 AM

4. We see a lot of them anymore. It's like the goal of some here

 

to see how many post they can get hidden.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:35 AM

5. And they're proud of it too.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:41 AM

26. The gloating is what bothers me.

Used to be that you'd alert and if the post was hidden, so be it. If not, so be it.

Now people feel like they have to do a post-mortem on the play, pointing out how important they are and how they beat up the other person. "Look at me! I'm bad! I'm bad!" All that's missing is the victory dance.

It makes DU less of a civil community that gets out of hand from time to time and more of a rugby match where none of the refs showed up--or where the refs take to the field as a third team. It was worse over the summer, when DU was a distinctly unfriendly place for newbies and for old timers, with all the screaming and bullying going on between narrow-minded individuals on pathetic power trips and with cliques that were formed to throw their weight around and be the Deciders.

I want that, I can drop in at the local high school during change of classes.

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Response to Igel (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:19 PM

55. Knowing full well the poster can't reply because they

 

had a post hidden, they'll pile on and you can't do a damn thing.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:41 AM

6. Pathetic people n/t

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:43 AM

7. There likely is no mass conspiracy, and

the person who alerted announced it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024044488#post20

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 06:12 AM

73. Yup. Games, games, and more games.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:45 AM

8. Great OP



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:11 AM

9. Your lucky the Bog goes to bed early

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:48 AM

10. I feel like I have a new lease on life

 

After this, everything seems possible.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:55 AM

13. Yeah, blame it on the bogie man.

 

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:36 PM

56. .

You're.

I would have left it alone if your post hadn't been such a passive aggressive jab.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:51 AM

11. The jury system is a joke. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:56 AM

16. True dat.

The jury system can be infiltrated by trolls seeking
to shut down liberals.

And from what I see here, they have succeeded to
way too large an extent.

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Response to ananda (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:02 AM

18. The admin method was much better. n-t

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:58 AM

32. The mod system was light years better. We have a church lady, clown doctor system now.

 

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Response to ananda (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:52 AM

45. Actually...

I believe Skinner has stated time and again that the jury system is not being infiltrated by trolls.

That it usually consists of decent DUers who do their best to be fair and reasonable.

And that the majority of juries are made up of people who are acting in good faith.

Honestly, I don't understand why people might think the admins would be lying about something like that.




PS...and I find it offensive that someone might consider me a "troll" when I always do my very best to be fair and reasonable in my jury decisions just because they didn't like the way I voted.

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:42 PM

58. I agree.

It will eventually allow non-Democrats to take over.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:54 AM

12. Ah, you start an idiotic tasteless thread and then have to advertise it...

 

at least you are becoming even more transparent.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:55 AM

15. Wrong again.

 

I'm inscrutable.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:25 AM

24. No, it's obvious at this point that you are only here to be divisive.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:23 PM

67. Couldn't be more obvious.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:54 AM

30. So you respond to idiotic tasteless threads? Wow ...looks more like you are stalking Manny.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:40 PM

49. LOL. I pretty much ignore the divisiveness and antagonistic crap he posts. So is that "stalking"?

 

No, this thread is illustrative of something.

It's hilarious so many can't see it.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:09 PM

54. Perhaps a map would help.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:59 AM

17. They alerted this thread as well

Will post results soon.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:52 PM

50. New DU t-shirt "I alerted on that"

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:13 AM

21. Here it is!

At Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The DU jury system works
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024045850

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This thread violates 2 rules on DU. 1. no whinning about DU and 2. Do not call out other members of DU. For the admins: why is someone allowed to be disruptive to DUers and Democrats on an every day basis? When will enough is enough time come?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:11 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: a - technically, it's not whining -- the OP agreed with the jury result they linked to; b - jury results are anonymous so how is it calling out other members of du? this is certainly not the first time I've seen jury results posted on du, nor is it the first time I've seen an OP linking to another post on DU

This post isn't violating any current rules nor is it inflammatory, unless you believe that saying "The DU jury system works" is in itself disruptive. So, let it stand.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Enough is enough time should come for the alerter who seems to be abusing the alert system to try to get a long time member banned.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Good effing grief. The alerter delayed my trip to Lolcats Sunday for this? Can we alert on the alerter?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Now they're coming after you, Manny.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:17 AM

22. you just know someone is having a cow over this.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:10 AM

34. Probably ... cause they can't alert again for 24 hours.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:21 AM

37. someone haz have sad over this, fer sure!

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:01 PM

51. Someone change this to "Manny" and repost it please....

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:57 PM

61. what is that from? nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:12 PM

62. Night of the Living Dead

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:16 PM

63. that is what I thought but I wasn't sure. great movie I haven't seen in years. thanks nt

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:18 PM

69. Hahaha

That was my comment in the jury decision.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:19 AM

23. I was a star member for years

and will be again when the jury system is dismantled. The only reason I participate in it is to help level the playing field. I predicted this exact problem when it was created.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:28 AM

25. What problem? A Meta-thread gets alerted and stays in GD because those on the jury decide they like

 

Manny…. while someone else's Meta-thread in GD gets locked because they don't like a poster?

Yeah, it's a problem.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:44 AM

28. It's quite obvious

a clique is trying to get long time DU'ers banned. Just open your eyes.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:26 AM

39. So you have no problem with an OBVIOUS Meta-thread because you like Manny-

 

so you are actually part of the problem.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:23 PM

47. I have a problem with the entire jury system

Like you said above, it's a problem.

On edit: Thinking long time DU'ers are a problem, is a problem.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:23 PM

71. So what is your solution to the jury 'problem'?

 

And define 'long-term' while you're at it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:27 PM

66. Only the ones who are 'ratfucking' Hillary n/t



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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:57 AM

75. I won't until the bully system is confronted head on

 

And I know it won't. Anyway I cannot afford that star, and prefer to give money to worthy causes. The jury system is part of the bully system. It is abused constantly by a certain group of people. This is by design.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:44 AM

27. BUT I'M POWERFUL ON THE INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:53 AM

29. The Alert system needs to be reined in

 

A limit of one per day, and if the jury votes to leave it, prohibit the alerter from alerting for a week. Revoke the hopeful alerts that are really just attempts at settling scores or silencing legitimate political opinion. And with no repercussions, why should they stop abusing Alert?

There's nothing wrong with the jury system at DU, it's the alert system that needs examining.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:23 AM

38. The admins have said repeatedly that alert stalking is just not an issue.

They're the ones that can see the metrics.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:30 AM

43. You don't need to be an alert stalker to make bad alerts

 

Make people have a care about what they're alerting on. Right now I can just spam alert and as long as I get one juror to agree, I can carry on rolling the dice like a DA with no oversight.

It would cause people to only alert when they think that the rules have been truly broken.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:34 AM

44. Admins have PPRed posters for abusing the alert system.

I think all of the concern over abuse of the alert system is much ado over nothing.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:17 PM

70. I am on MIRT and we use the alert system alot.

 

I am against limiting alerts.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:56 AM

31. more results

At Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The DU jury system works
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024045850

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This thread violates 2 rules on DU. 1. no whinning about DU and 2. Do not call out other members of DU. For the admins: why is someone allowed to be disruptive to DUers and Democrats on an every day basis? When will enough is enough time come?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:11 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: a - technically, it's not whining -- the OP agreed with the jury result they linked to; b - jury results are anonymous so how is it calling out other members of du? this is certainly not the first time I've seen jury results posted on du, nor is it the first time I've seen an OP linking to another post on DU

This post isn't violating any current rules nor is it inflammatory, unless you believe that saying "The DU jury system works" is in itself disruptive. So, let it stand.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Enough is enough time should come for the alerter who seems to be abusing the alert system to try to get a long time member banned.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Good effing grief. The alerter delayed my trip to Lolcats Sunday for this? Can we alert on the alerter?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Now they're coming after you, Manny.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to G_j (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:06 PM

46. Frivolous alerts will cost the jury system its credibility

Good grief

Time after time I log on to see eyerolling and lol-ing over stupid alerts that should never have been brought to a jury

When will enough is enough time come?


Indeed


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:12 AM

35. How do you get semen stains out of a clown suit? n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:28 AM

41. Okie dokie

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

48. LOL n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:27 AM

40. Manny, Embrace The Inevitability. Repeat: Embrace The Inevitability.

Resistance Is Futile.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:02 PM

52. A term used to characterize something that is characteristically self-referential.

What is meta.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:42 PM

57. this is meta

I thought that wasn't allowed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:49 PM

59. you're going to hell, Manny!

Share a glass of ice water when I see you there!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:52 PM

60. but apparently the rules for posting in GD don't

I guess we have decided to let this be meta 2.0. fwiw I agree with the jury in that one. Your Hillary hate is anoying but not hideable until she is the nominee.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:34 PM

68. Actually -

Juries don't decide whether something is Meta or not - hosts do. That is a different radio button in the alert box.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:43 PM

65. What you really mean is the jury system isn't tied to what MannyGoldstein wants.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:26 PM

72. I did not like your post but I would not have hidden it.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:40 AM

74. The jury system is fair, probably one of the best features

of the DU. I posted a thread that was hidden by a jury 4-2. It was my 99th post and I was banned for a week or so. I was offered the chance to email Skinner with potential reasons to reinstate my account. So I did, and much to my surprise I was given a second chance. Thank you Skinner.

I guess I really appreciate the second chance having been banned from another website just weeks before. Lines...lines everywhere so hard to stay between the lines.

Thank you DU!

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