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Little Star

(17,055 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:12 PM Nov 2013

Zimmerman's girlfriend pregnant, that makes a felony charge automatic...

George Zimmerman
ARRESTED
Allegedly Attacked Pregnant GF

Since she's pregnant, we're told the domestic violence charge is automatically listed as a felony. The Seminole County Sheriff's website says Zimmerman is not eligible for bail.

Law enforcement sources tell us ... Zimmerman JUST arrived to a local jail and is currently being booked into the system.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/18/george-zimmerman-arrested-domestic-violence/#ixzz2l1vF2gYV

Mug shot at the link
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Zimmerman's girlfriend pregnant, that makes a felony charge automatic... (Original Post) Little Star Nov 2013 OP
Dammit! I had tomorrow in the pool! Scuba Nov 2013 #1
What a piece of work that one is. William769 Nov 2013 #2
He'll claim he was standing his ground against two, gf and fetus. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #3
And he'll probably JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #77
Stand your prison grounds, douchebag Blue Owl Nov 2013 #4
Well if he is found guiltyof Domestic Violence...that will end his access to guns VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #5
What will wimpy ass George do then..... Little Star Nov 2013 #7
Hope he does....he will be in violation when he gets caught... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #14
that is correct arely staircase Nov 2013 #21
He Wil Do It Anyway erpowers Nov 2013 #27
Of course he will disregard the law. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #34
What A Catch! SoCalMusicLover Nov 2013 #6
I know it's probably not your intent, but this is victim-blaming Scootaloo Nov 2013 #28
This Is True SoCalMusicLover Nov 2013 #41
Isn't this a new girlfriend - TBF Nov 2013 #44
Of Course The Criminal Is To Blame SoCalMusicLover Nov 2013 #52
I feel what you're saying completely. But putting it on the victim (even unintentionally) nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #62
Sadly there are many reasons why folks stay in abusive relationships - TBF Nov 2013 #64
Not blaming her for what he did to her but treestar Nov 2013 #70
Abuse issues are deep - many in that situation have never known anything else. TBF Nov 2013 #73
The divorce has not been finalized. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #80
I'm just glad he's finally in jail TBF Nov 2013 #87
Seriously? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #53
I think it's wrong to judge the victims OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #60
Thank you for this post. thucythucy Nov 2013 #83
Yes. It's totally tragic - people can absorb HUGE amounts of abuse if they think sibelian Nov 2013 #89
Well, she picked a winner! nt Logical Nov 2013 #72
So GROSS! The Zim has impregnated her. I really don't need that vision in my head. Yuck. kysrsoze Nov 2013 #86
IKR, that has definitely got to be the worst part of this story. nt TBF Nov 2013 #88
It keeps getting better! cyndensco Nov 2013 #8
I'll bet he felt threatened by the fetus! AndyA Nov 2013 #9
The Fetus was armed obviously. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #10
well to be fair arely staircase Nov 2013 #17
Was wearing a Hoodie too. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #18
He looks quite smug in that mugshot.. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #11
The look says, "I'm getting tired of this sh)t." tblue Nov 2013 #22
We see two totally different things, giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #23
That looks like the final frame of a sitcom... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #29
Smugshot. sibelian Nov 2013 #90
Touche giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #91
Is this OJ part 2? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #12
I'm hoping for a few years in prison demigoddess Nov 2013 #13
even better...no more guns for Georgy Porgy....after a domestic violence charge.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #15
That is the best justice here. Take away his toys. Lochloosa Nov 2013 #16
They're gonna pass him around like a joint. Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #20
He considered himself a celebrity frogmarch Nov 2013 #19
Damn fetus was eating skittles...it was clearly justified...nt joeybee12 Nov 2013 #24
I heard the fetus was wearing a gray hoodie Thug 4 Life Heather MC Nov 2013 #48
It clearly didn't belong in the neighborhood...probably smashed Georgie's joeybee12 Nov 2013 #51
NEVER Heather MC Nov 2013 #59
WTF? rickford66 Nov 2013 #25
I do hope he's not the father of the fetus. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #26
Maybe he's not. Maybe that's what the fight was about. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #36
Oh no... TRoN33 Nov 2013 #30
Pregnancy claim recanted Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #31
How would the Sheriff know?? Heather MC Nov 2013 #49
The girl friend is the one recanting Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #50
OK Heather MC Nov 2013 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #74
Thanks JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #81
According to "breaking" news report Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #95
We need a month generally because that is how long it takes for all Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #98
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I heard both 911 calls. GZ was the only person to mention a pregnancy ecstatic Nov 2013 #69
I was basing the information on Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #85
Oh, goodie!!!! BainsBane Nov 2013 #32
Girlfriend Not Pregnant erpowers Nov 2013 #33
The link you posted says George says she is pregnant.. Little Star Nov 2013 #54
Keep Changing It erpowers Nov 2013 #68
Maybe you should refrain from linking to TMZ. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #78
TMZ Not the Problem erpowers Nov 2013 #97
I listened to both calls JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #79
Let's see what the poll says Johnny! Rex Nov 2013 #35
Looks like he's trying to get back in jail. skamaria Nov 2013 #37
I wonder how he will get along with the general population in prison? Botany Nov 2013 #38
So girlfriend and not the ex-wife? alphafemale Nov 2013 #39
Don't yah just love those ReTHUG and bagger malaise Nov 2013 #40
What an idiot. 7962 Nov 2013 #42
I understood he was a POS. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #43
Story needs updating. The Seminole country sheriff says she's not pregnant, but claimed she was in okaawhatever Nov 2013 #45
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #46
Trayvon's colleagues? NOLALady Nov 2013 #47
What do you mean by Trayvon's colleagues? Little Star Nov 2013 #55
"Trayvon's colleagues"? arcane1 Nov 2013 #56
"He'll end up in jail with some of Trayvon's colleagues" - Of all the possible things... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #58
Woah! gollygee Nov 2013 #63
Trayvon was a Jail House security guard!? uponit7771 Nov 2013 #66
How's all that Macho Bullshit working out for you now, Z-Man? bvar22 Nov 2013 #57
I knew he'd fuck up again. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #61
They better put his behind in Protective Custody DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #67
The girlfriend never said anything about being pregnant on the 911 call, bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #71
I know, weird huh? Little Star Nov 2013 #82
Who's the father? StarrGazerr Nov 2013 #76
I Love Karma rbrnmw Nov 2013 #92
Regarding the girlfriend--"We are comfortable with the familiar, even if it is painful." raccoon Nov 2013 #93
i stayed with one for 20 years rbrnmw Nov 2013 #94
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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
5. Well if he is found guiltyof Domestic Violence...that will end his access to guns
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:21 PM
Nov 2013

I was thankful that happened to my ex husband.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
7. What will wimpy ass George do then.....
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:25 PM
Nov 2013

Being the stand up law abiding citizen he is, he'll probably carry anyway. I can't stand his sorry ass!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
14. Hope he does....he will be in violation when he gets caught...
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:33 PM
Nov 2013

and he will always get caught.

He has a self-destructive personality just like my ex! They think they are invincable.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
27. He Wil Do It Anyway
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nov 2013

I think George Zimmerman would carry a gun even of he would have to risk being in violation of the law. In addition, if he were to be found guilty of a felony, stripped of his right to carry a gun, and then found in violation of the law as a result of continuing to carry a gun he would just become a bigger hero to some on the right.

SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
34. Of course he will disregard the law.
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:31 PM
Nov 2013

If he cared about the law, he would have listened to the police dispatcher and stayed in his car.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
6. What A Catch!
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:22 PM
Nov 2013

She must be so happy to have him in her life. And the father of her child, no doubt.

He will certainly raise a wonderful kid who will become part of the next generation. What a lucky kid.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
28. I know it's probably not your intent, but this is victim-blaming
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:24 PM
Nov 2013

The person at fault here is the asshole who hit her, not the woman who got hit.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
41. This Is True
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
Nov 2013

But when a woman keeps going back to a guy who has hit her on many prior occasions. Including one supposedly where he threatened to kill her. Oh, and by the way....this guy also happened to murder someone and got away with it.

I'll be honest, I have less sympathy for someone who continues to go back to a situation where they know trouble exists. We'll see if she takes this wonderful guy back again. Because you never know, NOW might be the time he changes and matures. It won't be, but the chance exists.

I don't suspect this child is going to grow up and win any nobel peace prizes.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
44. Isn't this a new girlfriend -
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:57 PM
Nov 2013

I thought the ex-wife was out of the picture now.

You also really do need to examine why you feel the need to blame the victim imo. Is there any particular reason why you're not blaming the criminal?

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
52. Of Course The Criminal Is To Blame
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:29 PM
Nov 2013

NOTHING gives someone the right to abuse another person. Zimmerman is the one who should be held accountable.

Isn't there a point though, where she should see him for the criminal that he is, and wise up? It just always amazes me how guys like this, who treat women like garbage time and time again, manage to get the women back.

I'm probably just bitter because I'm single, and it's tough enough finding someone who wants to meet a nice guy, yet someone like this Asshole, manages to go from gf to gf, abusing them all along the way.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
62. I feel what you're saying completely. But putting it on the victim (even unintentionally)
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:31 PM
Nov 2013

doesn't help anything. Abusive situations are nearly always very difficult to extricate oneself from, for a variety of reasons. And hey, we're all human, we make mistakes - which includes our relationship choices.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
64. Sadly there are many reasons why folks stay in abusive relationships -
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:53 PM
Nov 2013

sometimes it is all they have ever known. Happens the other way around too - men being abused in either straight or gay relationships.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
70. Not blaming her for what he did to her but
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 12:09 AM
Nov 2013

who the hell would start dating him now? If there's anyone there's a warning about, it's him. Usually they act charming at first.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
73. Abuse issues are deep - many in that situation have never known anything else.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:04 AM
Nov 2013

At base it's usually very low self-esteem at work. You and I have relatively decent self-esteem, see a character like Georgie and think "that dude is psychotic - I am staying away from him". Others don't have that kind of trust in their own instincts.

It's very sad really.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
80. The divorce has not been finalized.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:25 AM
Nov 2013

So, his soon-to-be-ex-wife is still around, but he also has a pregnant girlfriend.

The initial papers were filed by his (still) wife in early September. This is about two-and-a-half months later, and divorces don't usually happen that fast.

But hey! He's got a newly pregnant girlfriend who is now the third or fourth woman who has had to call the police when dealing with him during "domestic disputes" - he's a winner!

TBF

(32,060 posts)
87. I'm just glad he's finally in jail
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 11:13 AM
Nov 2013

where he belongs. His hearing is at 1:30 today. We'll see if they keep him there.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. Seriously?
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:32 PM
Nov 2013

My mother spent seventeen years with a guy who would beat the hell out of her. He smashed her orbital before I was born, threw her into a solid oak door, bet her bloody with a belt, and had he not been passed out drunk one time, likely would have killed her - she came home to find him on the couch, out cold, a shotgun leveled at the door.

Seventeen years. Each time, she'd believe his apologies. Each time, she'd come back. And each time, he'd do it again. Every. Time. This continued until a friend of the family forced some money into my mother's hand, threw our bags in her truck, and whisked us away to the New Orleans Amtrak station on a one-way trip to the West Coast. My dad left for work one morning, and came home to an empty house six hours later, by which time we were already en route to Seattle.

Why did my mother keep going back? It's certainly not because she's a stupid woman. She's no fool. She fell in love with this man after school, and wanted to keep loving him. Each 'apology' fed her the belief that it was both of their fault that he beat the hell out of her. She wanted to keep the relationship she had come into, she wanted to return to the man she had fallen in love with, and after every beating he not only offered that to her, but fed HER the guilt for "ruining it." Eventually it was less an issue of wanting the man she loved, and more about how going along with his abuse was less threatening than the alternatives she imagined.

I have nothing but sympathy for people in these positions. We can sit outside of this dynamic and cluck our tongues over these women and men "making bad decisions," as if we're so entitled. We're not. Abuse is more than blood and bruises, it's the wholesale destruction of a person, inside and out.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
60. I think it's wrong to judge the victims
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:22 PM
Nov 2013

My mother would say "well, she picked him!", but since she never dealt with long term abuse (just briefly in her teens), she doesn't understand. Regardless, the abuser is at fault, no matter what. It may be difficult to understand for some, but victim blaming is not the way to go.

thucythucy

(8,050 posts)
83. Thank you for this post.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:47 AM
Nov 2013

This is a message that needs to be repeated until it is heard. Until the advent of feminism our entire society was geared to blame victims and enable abusers. Sadly, in many places, and in many minds, this is still the case.

I hope you and your mother were able to build happy and safe lives after all that abuse.

Best wishes.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
89. Yes. It's totally tragic - people can absorb HUGE amounts of abuse if they think
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 11:19 AM
Nov 2013

they can make sense of it.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
9. I'll bet he felt threatened by the fetus!
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:27 PM
Nov 2013

Just standing his ground.

I see the clean shaven appearance has hit the dirt. This guy is a serious @ S S H O L E.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
11. He looks quite smug in that mugshot..
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:28 PM
Nov 2013

Sooner or later his luck is gonna run out & when it does boy oh boy poor Zimmie is going to wish he had had kept his ass out of jail.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
23. We see two totally different things,
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:03 PM
Nov 2013

I see a smirk, that says "really, you're trying this again?".

Who knows what is really going on?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
15. even better...no more guns for Georgy Porgy....after a domestic violence charge..
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:34 PM
Nov 2013

and from then on...ANY woman accuses him....back to jail he goes! That's what my ex is afraid of...

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
51. It clearly didn't belong in the neighborhood...probably smashed Georgie's
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:14 PM
Nov 2013

head into the sidewalk, too.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
30. Oh no...
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:26 PM
Nov 2013

Is this article telling us that George Zimmerman has unleashed his own offspring into our society? Let pray that Zimmerman's ex had exmatrial affair with someone else...

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
31. Pregnancy claim recanted
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:26 PM
Nov 2013

so, I don't know what is going on here other than Zimmerman deciding he really wants to go to jail.

2:14 PM PT According to the Seminole County Sheriff, the woman was not pregnant ... but we're told she told the 911 dispatcher she was. The Sheriff says the woman claims Zimmerman pointed a DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN at her, pushed her out of the house. He then allegedly barricaded the front door with furniture.

Zimmerman is currently in solitary for his protection and he's being checked on every hour.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
49. How would the Sheriff know??
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:13 PM
Nov 2013

GZ just had a wife in September. This is a Girl Friend She could be newly Pregnant

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
65. OK
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:21 PM
Nov 2013

I really hope this dude isn't procreating.
People like him are why I am in favor of Birth Control in the water supply
just sayin'
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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
84. According to "breaking" news report
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:51 AM
Nov 2013

(always of questionable reliability), she told the 911 dispatcher she was pregnant. Later they reported that Zimmerman claimed she was pregnant, then the police reported that she denied/recanted being pregnant.

I am guessing we will know the truth a month from now.

Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #84)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
98. We need a month generally because that is how long it takes for all
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:04 PM
Nov 2013

the facts to come out.

The 911 call answers some questions, bit not all.

My view on this is not unique to this situation. So far, every "big" fast breaking story gets major facts wrong for weeks, sometimes months, and occasionally years. Shootings, bombings, celebrity melt-downs, etc. are rife with misinformation at their outset.

People are too quick to pass judgment in the absence of hard facts, especially if the party at the center of a story is someone we don't like.

Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #98)

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
69. I heard both 911 calls. GZ was the only person to mention a pregnancy
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 10:47 PM
Nov 2013

It could be that she is pregnant now, but has decided not to go through with it. Who would want to be tied to an unstable asshole for the next 18+ years? ?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
85. I was basing the information on
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:52 AM
Nov 2013

earlier reports before the audio was released.

As I said, it will probably be a month before we know exactly what happened for certain.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
32. Oh, goodie!!!!
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:29 PM
Nov 2013

Though I hope the woman and her baby are safe. God, I hope he didn't seriously injure them.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
33. Girlfriend Not Pregnant
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:29 PM
Nov 2013

According to an update on the TMZ website George Zimmerman's girlfriend is not pregnant, but told the 911 operator that she was pregnant. Also, at some point the girlfriend informed law enforcement officials that Zimmerman pointed a double barreled shotgun at her, pushed her out of the house, and then barricaded himself inside the house.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/18/george-zimmerman-arrested-domestic-violence/#ixzz2l1vF2gYV

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
54. The link you posted says George says she is pregnant..
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:41 PM
Nov 2013
During his call, Zimmerman says the girlfriend is "going crazy" and is PREGNANT WITH HIS CHILD. He says he called 911 so everyone would know the truth about what happened


erpowers

(9,350 posts)
68. Keep Changing It
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 10:19 PM
Nov 2013

TMZ keeps updating the story as it changes. Earlier today they updated the story to say she was not pregnant. When I looked at the link they had not written the parts about George Zimmerman calling 911.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #75)

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
97. TMZ Not the Problem
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

I do not think the mix up had anything to do with TMZ. It seems that when George Zimmerman is involved information is constantly changing.

In the incident with his estranged wife two months ago most members of the news media were not sure what was going on and whether or not Zimmerman had actually had a gun that day. Shellie Zimmerman and Mark O' Mara claimed Zimmerman had his gun on him during the altercation. However, the police claimed they had not found a gun on Zimmerman.

In addition, most of the information provided by TMZ was accurate. As the information changed TMZ updated its website. That happens at just about every news agency. What happened with the TMZ website could have happened at any website and often does happen at the websites of news agencies. There are constantly correction written on websites and in print editions of news outlets.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
79. I listened to both calls
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:24 AM
Nov 2013

Go over to the Video/Multimedia forum here. HE said she was pregnant. Unless something was deleted from her tape - then she never said it.

She doesn't have to recant anything.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
45. Story needs updating. The Seminole country sheriff says she's not pregnant, but claimed she was in
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:04 PM
Nov 2013

911 call. I don't know why there's confusion, but TMZ updated this story. I hope the girlfriend didn't lie about it, that's all society needs is for Zimmerman to walk on something else.
When his ex-wife said Zimm threatened her, she claimed he used a weapon but apparently that wasn't true and she changed her story saying he held his hand like a gun. (according to USA Today). All the pro-Zimmerman morons are claiming all of this and the times he's been pulled over are attempts to discredit him and "get him back".
He had domestic violence charges before the Trayvon incident, and I have no doubt he did these things but I want people to tell the truth, we don't need people questioning the validity of any of these claims.

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Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
58. "He'll end up in jail with some of Trayvon's colleagues" - Of all the possible things...
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:54 PM
Nov 2013

You could have said, that was most definitely the wrong thing.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
57. How's all that Macho Bullshit working out for you now, Z-Man?
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:51 PM
Nov 2013

[font size=4]Time to start learning The Blues, Big Boy.
You'll have lots of help where you're headed.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.[/font]

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
67. They better put his behind in Protective Custody
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 10:03 PM
Nov 2013

and not, that is not a rape joke, that is a fact I observed while working for the Florida Dept of Corrections. There will be a whole line of people of all colors ready to kill him, just to claim the status. Consider that bragging rights can literally be life or death matters in there.

If they keep him in general population, his life will be in danger 24/7.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
71. The girlfriend never said anything about being pregnant on the 911 call,
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 12:12 AM
Nov 2013

but ZIMMERMAN was making a big deal about the "pregnancy"!

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
93. Regarding the girlfriend--"We are comfortable with the familiar, even if it is painful."
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 11:42 AM
Nov 2013

A counselor told me that once, and she was so right.

I'd bet this woman is used to guys in her life who are a$$holes.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
94. i stayed with one for 20 years
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 11:56 AM
Nov 2013

I would not wish my life on anyone it will take years of counselling to undo the damage our marriage has done to our children hopefully she will run as far away from him as she can get. I hope she will seek out domestic violence counselling immediately!!! She will need a support system. I can't go to one because my husband stopped hitting with his fists and only threatened me with words he had beaten me down enough that only his words were enough to put the fear in me. I knew not to defy him because I did not want them to see the ugly side of him so I went along to get along. I regret that I wonder where I would be now if I left 18 or 19 years ago? I will never know because I stayed.

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