Was Trayvon His First, Or...

[alcibiades_mystery]

The recent behavior of Mr. Zimmerman can leave no doubt that he is an unstable, violent person with extremely poor impulse control. He's precisely the kind of violent offender that fills our prisons. But is he more than that? His deft manipulation of the 9-11 call (memorialized in other threads) leads me not to question merely his future, but his past. Is it time to start looking seriously at unsolved cases in his vicinity? Might it be that young Mr. Martin ran across an even more devious predator than we have yet imagined?

[Suich]

1. His 911 call gave me the creeps.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. it was so obviously bullshit....

it didn't even make sense...She wants me to leave...Now she won't let me leave...then SHE ends up outside and he is barricaded inside?

Say goodbye to CCW and all your "precious" Georgie...

[onehandle]

3. Serial killers like the guns. Wouldn't surprise me. nt

[Lex]

4. Not a bad idea. nt

[defacto7]

5. Wouldn't hurt to look, would it?????

[Demo_Chris]

6. Couple points...

First regarding the initial 911 call. In my opinion, my OPINION only, he was all but reciting a justified shooting script. I believe (again, opinion here) that he intended to gun down Trayvon right there in the street, and was only prevented from doing so when Martin fled. I would go into more depth on this, but it's a moot point now. More, I was astonished that the prosecution did such a poor job during the trial of showing how Zimmerman's account of Martin's behavior was not only unlikely, but all-but impossible, and that it followed a "justified" homicide script.

Second point, Websleuths was all over this case at the time it was happening and as I recall they went through every unsolved case and missing person within the vicinity of every known Zimmerman address. The crew (as a collective) there is good at this sort of thing and they turned up nothing. More, despite what the movies show, most serial killers aren't terribly fancy, they aren't really into leaving complex clues for example, and once they have a method that they think works they tend to stick with it. I think Zimmerman is a Sociopath, my OPINION, but I also think this was his first and hopefully only kill.

[Mariana]

10. I agree with you his 911 call on Trayvon was an act.

It was so obvious. Almost everything Z said was intended to convince everyone who might hear the call that he was afraid Trayvon was going to hurt him or kill him.

I also agree that Z probably hasn't killed anyone else. I think his dream was to kill a "bad guy" legally. That's why he was out patrolling all the time, looking for an opportunity to do it. That's why he had the "script" ready when he saw Trayvon - he'd probably rehearsed it in his fantasies thousands of times. Killing someone and then keeping his mouth shut about it just wouldn't be his style.

Opinion and speculation only.

[Demo_Chris]

13. Exactly, I particularly appreciated the incremental threat escalation...

Step by carefully scripted step. And the thing is, had Trayvon not ran when he did, and assuming no one was watching, he would have gotten away with it easily. No one would have even heard his name. Not with a script like that.

I believe that's why he was so clearly angry on the tape. He had this fantastic setup, he'd set it in motion, perfect victim, perfect weather, perfect time... and the kid ran screwing everything completely up. After all, it's not like he could pull out the same script and try again. Once he started he had to finish it or give up the idea altogether.

But that's just my opinion of course.

[Mariana]

14. There are more like Z out there than a lot of people think.

Guys who want to kill someone in a self-defense scenario in which they "had to" kill a "bad guy". Guys who spend time fantasizing about doing it, and who practice and rehearse for it. Since such situations rarely happen to normal, law-abiding people who mind their own business, they go out with their guns and try to find trouble, hoping to get their chance. If they keep failing to insert themselves into a real self-defense situation, they may decide to fabricate one, just like Z did.

[Demo_Chris]

15. I have known a lot of guys just like you describe, with one exception...

They didn't go out of their way to look for trouble, and they never would have even dreamed of fabricating one.

I suspect that this is coded into the DNA of most men, at least to a certain extent. Little boys want to grow up to be Firemen, Policemen, Soldiers, Secret Agents, Sports Heroes, Cowboy. And they at least occassionally daydream what that would be like. This fantasy personna is respected, brave, powerful, dangerous, wealthy, and totally freaking cool. If there's a cool kid's club he isn't in it, he soars above it. And since damn near every adventure story includes a character just like this, I think it's safe to say the fantasy is all but universal -- or at least common. And this is perhaps a good thing.

But there's a difference between James Bond daydreams (wealthy, cool, deadly, women orgasm when he smiles, plus a LICENSE to kill) and deciding or even sectretly desiring to murder someone. All the difference in the world.

[freshwest]

7. During the posting on the Trayvon murder, a lot of things came out about his MySpace page bragging

about getting away with assaults, etc.

Then the relative who unfortunately thought he would be jailed and she would be safe, and told her story how he molested her since she was 6 years old. He did not deny doing it to her when confronted by her and her parents.

There was the story of how he injured a woman at a job in a fit of rage. And another of how he'd bitten and attacked a girlfriend. He bragged about getting away with felonies and had a group of followers.

Who can forget him at the murder trial:



Yet he walks free, to our disgrace and destabilizing our society; and has been cheered with the fascist media everyday. There is a reason for this psychopath running loose, just like Cruz who has that same sick grin on his face.

[DeSwiss]

8. ''There is a reason for this psychopath running loose...''

- Indeed there is. Probably not the one most people think, though.

"All around one the True Believers trudge by, mouths grim, brows furrowed, ulcers and worse eating at their innards. This desperate company of oddfellows (Thoreau) live in what psychologists call 'cognitive dissonance.' Because their reality-maps are, one and all, too small to cover the vast, eerie, amusing world in which we live, they are perpetually frustrated: the world does not live up to their fixed beliefs. They are all convinced that there is something radically wrong with the universe itself, or with the rest of humanity, and they never suspect that the real trouble is in their own rigid and robotic nervous systems." ~Robert Anton Wilson

[wiggs]

9. Wonder what the Trayvon jurors are thinking about these kinds of incidents. nt

[ohheckyeah]

12. Especially the bullshit

911 call he just made...rather makes one think his 911 call about Trayvon was equally bullshit.

[hrmjustin]

11. K&R!