Another DUer, Pab Sungenis, is Shown the Door

[MineralMan]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=126308&sub=trans

[Rex]

1. That was a long time coming imo.

nt.

[MineralMan]

3. I don't know about that.

I had little interaction with that DUer.

[Rex]

8. Back when we had a meta forum

that poster said some things that I found to be extremely offensive. This was when we were all fighting over groups.

[hrmjustin]

12. One of his last hides was to accuse someone of saying anti LGBT things and he did not offer proof.

He said a lot of nasty things and acted surprised when people took issue with it.

[Rex]

19. Just went and looked at that, he was doubling down on VC.

I guess he was tired of flying under the radar.

[hrmjustin]

26. I just got sick of his bull.

He posted on FB that DU is not safe for Men. Oh lord!

[Rex]

32. Geez, DU is a great place for men!

I think it is more like, 'not a safe place for a certain type of male' is what he really means. DU is great for anyone with an open mind, man or woman!

[hrmjustin]

34. if you go to the DU group on FB you can see his posts...

... complaining about du.

[nolabear]

42. Endlessly.

[REP]

62. Even there, he's getting called on his tired old whine

I've rarely read someone as tiresome as he is. He'd be maddening if he weren't so predictable and whiney.

[Number23]

129. + a billion. the fact that he was the only poster here to be blocked out of the Ask the Admins

forum on DU2 for being so abusive to the admins should say it all. And I'm pretty sure he was the only poster EVER blocked from ATA.

He was a long time coming. Ain't sad at all to see that one go. Not at all.

[SidDithers]

58. He's already asking for the link to Old Elm Tree...

Sid

[hrmjustin]

60. You got to love it.

He is habving a fit.

[liberalhistorian]

67. I just took a look at the DU group on Facebook and it

seems like it's filled with nothing but ex-DUer's and PPR'd DUers complaining about DU. WTF??? So start their own fucking FB group to specifically spend their days in mommy's basement bitching about DU, and leave the DU group to, you know, actual DUers. But that would require them to actually get up off their asses and do something real.

[hrmjustin]

69. That about sums it up.

[pintobean]

70. They're giving the cave a run for their money. /nt

[mopinko]

121. there are many such groups.

happens on a regular basis.

[zappaman]

126. +1

At least change the name...

[winter is coming]

92. Pass. I don't need to leave DU to find complaining about DU.

[LuvNewcastle]

148. Ain't that the truth.

[Agschmid]

76. +1

[liberalhistorian]

49. He must mean that it's not a safe place

for men who constantly call women "sluts" and who say they shouldn't dress like "sluts" or they'll "sexually entice the wrong men", but who refuse to define just what they mean by "sluts" and who adamantly refuse to place any of the blame or responsibility on men whatsoever, it's all on the woman. THAT kind of man here we can do without. We already have enough here who claim things like child support is "male enslavement" and the like. Bleh.

[whathehell]

116. Thank you. I agree completely. n/t

[RobinA]

141. He Got Ousted

for saying nasty things and then getting upset when nasty things were said back? There goes 3/4 of the posters here.

[struggle4progress]

97. +

It's my impression the Admins cut him a lotta slack for a long long time

[bravenak]

2. The slut guy?

Such a shame.

[liberalhistorian]

51. I'm still wanting to know what his definition of

"dressing like a slut" that will then "sexually entice the wrong men" is. He never did answer those questions.

[bravenak]

61. I always think that men who say things like that are a danger to women in general.

How do you know what to wear on a date? And when exactly is the raping scheduled for?
If you wear sweats that say sexy on the butt, are you going to the gym for exercise? Or is it an invitation to the wrong kinda man?
I have so many questions that need answers. I don't want to force somebody to rape me again by dressing inappropriately.

[BainsBane]

102. He insists that those who criticize him for that

are misandrists and homophobes. Apparently any criticism of him is an indictment of all men and all LGBT folks.

[hrmjustin]

4. It was his own fault.

[Laelth]

5. Sigh. That's unfortunate. n/t

-Laelth

[MineralMan]

7. I saw the name come up in some recent threads,

and recognized it from general reading. I think he is a book author, but I haven't read any of his books.

[Laelth]

10. I like to look at DU posters' journals.

Journals are where people put the posts of which they're really proud, as opposed to their "less-well-considered" posts. Pab is an interesting person.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=126308&page=1

-Laelth

[Fumesucker]

15. I think the default is that all your OPs go to your journal

At least that's the way mine was set up when I first logged on DU3 and I've left it that way.

[MineralMan]

22. I think you can turn that off, though.

My OPs don't automatically go to my Journal.

[Fumesucker]

24. As I said, I left it that way

Which I meant to imply that it could be changed.

[MineralMan]

27. OK.

I turned it off.

[sharp_stick]

6. It looks like Skinner

and company are putting the hammer down on the idiocy.

I never really interacted with Pab Sungenis but that transparency list is a doozy.

[Xipe Totec]

16. I think it automatic based on number of hidden threads in 90 day period.

Some topics can get people riled up PDQ. Best to avoid them altogether. Can't have any discussion on those Taboo subjects.

[NuclearDem]

29. Pab's problem wasn't with getting riled up and calling names, though.

It was just cold misogyny.

[Xipe Totec]

31. What constitutes misogyny is also a taboo subject. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. I got a post hidden for discussing the differences between forceable rape and statutory rape.

Or daring to argue that the two were not identical.

I didn't insult anybody, I didn't use foul language.

I guess there are some things that just can't be said in the PC playground that this place sometimes is.

[uppityperson]

38. Your account is suspended if you get a certain # of hidden posts, but established members can only

be banned by Admin. Pab was on suspension for a while and then Admin chose to ban him. It is not automatic unless you have only a few posts.

[Xipe Totec]

77. Yes, I can see that now.

Truthfully I was distracted and did not see the clear comment from Skinner indicating a final verdict.

I just counted the number of hidden posts and ASSumed the rest.

[closeupready]

79. No, it's not automatic, since there is at least one DU member

who has had 12 hidden posts in the last 90 days, yet is still posting away.

[Xipe Totec]

80. Late to the party. See post #77.

[closeupready]

82. Ah, alrightie, then!

[Xipe Totec]

91. Cheers!

[Ms. Toad]

117. That will be a nice vacation, come December 25.

(Anyone with 5 unhidden posts on December 25 goes mute until the 5+ drop off as being older than 90 days.)

[BainsBane]

104. There are no automatic PPRs

Flagged for review kicks in after multiple hides in a short period of time. The 5 hides thing doesn't kick in until around Christmas, and it's a suspension of posting privileges until one's transparency page is no longer showing.

[Xipe Totec]

110. Ha!

Check the other posts. Especially #77.

[BainsBane]

113. Sorry, I'm late to the party

I see a lot of misunderstanding of how all that works and MIRT's role in it.

[Xipe Totec]

119. No Problemo

All replies are welcome, and accepted as emanations of good will, intelligence, and enlightenment.

[hlthe2b]

9. would not have to be psychic to see that coming... n/t

[In_The_Wind]

11. And ... not a minute too soon!

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[hrmjustin]

13. Agreed.

[In_The_Wind]

18. Is there still a full moon?

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Cause It feel like there is.




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[hrmjustin]

21. LOL You know what to expect.

[Scuba]

14. Fall housekeeping appears to be in process. Look for other moles and trolls to get PPR'd too.

[The Midway Rebel]

17. That sure is an ugly epitaph.

I'd hate to have that on my tombstone.

[In_The_Wind]

23. I agree with you 100%!

[NuclearDem]

20. After that "misandry!" OP a while ago, I'm not surprised.

[MineralMan]

25. I pretty much stay out of those threads, most of the time.

They never seem very fruitful of anything but animosity.

[NuclearDem]

28. A lot of people, including certain long time posters, showed their true colors there.

It was just a matter of time with Pab.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. Cleaning house for the holidays?

[Number23]

130. Sure seems that way, don't it?? Not that I am complaining in the LEAST

Since the vast majority of the ones being shown the door should have been escorted out probably 4 years ago.

[Tarheel_Dem]

147. Exactly. The level of vitriol by the ones I know about has been off the charts for the longest.

Usually it was directed at the POTUS, and anyone who they perceived to support him. You'll get no complaints from me either.

[Ohio Joe]

33. Good - nt

[Shrike47]

35. I've been wondering about him a bit myself.

Nastier than most.

[Warpy]

36. I thought the place smelled a little better today

with a nice, clean breeze. I think the "review after 4 hidden posts in 90 days" rule is working as expected, administrator review getting rid of some of the nastier ones.

[tammywammy]

47. If you get two hidden threads within a short time your account is suspended

"flagged for review". That happened to Pabs twice in as many weeks.

[hrmjustin]

53. Within a few days of being allowed on he got himself in trouble again.

It was his own fault.

[Aerows]

37. Lord have mercy

was that ever well-deserved.

[uppityperson]

40. I am sorry it came to that as banning a long time DUer is never easy or simple.

[Ikonoklast]

43. Members ban themselves. That one was a particularly nasty piece of work, sees women as 'sluts'.

Should have been given the pizza long time ago, he both feared and hated women.

[uppityperson]

45. Members behavior is indeed what banning is about.

[kcr]

41. The misandry guy finally bit the dust

Oh, well.

[Starry Messenger]

44. One down, about three to go.

[Tansy_Gold]

56. .

[Starry Messenger]

75. You're right.

I've become desensitized after years of reading misogynistic crap here. At least four really heinous repeat offenders that leap immediately to mind, and there are quite a few that mutter in the background.

[chervilant]

127. They're all on my IL,

geez, my list is getting long!

[tammywammy]

46. Good.

He was such an insufferable asshole.

[liberalhistorian]

71. Which he is apparently continuing to be

on the DU group on Facebook, from what I just saw. Whining that he can't say whatever he wants about women, among other tiresome childish bullshit.

[Vashta Nerada]

48. I saw his hidden posts and what he said on the DU group on facebook.

He's playing the victim, when, in fact, he's the perpetrator.

Good riddance that he's gone.

[tblue37]

94. What is this Facebook group? The only Facebook DU I have ever seen is a

Facebook page for this site, where posts are the same as the posts on this site.

[hrmjustin]

100. To find it go to search on FB and type in Democratic Underground.

Says it is an open group and has just under 1,400 members. It is not an official DU group.

[stevenleser]

103. Here is a link

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2426871461/

[Vashta Nerada]

120. There's one for the site itself, where's it's got 40-something thousand "likes"

and there's the open group, with like 1400 "likes" or so. It's full of current and former members of DU who like to complain about this site.

[William769]

50. Well deserved. nt

[Renew Deal]

52. He was two faced

[ScreamingMeemie]

57. This.

In fact, it often seemed like he had multiple personalities.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

54. I didn't have many interactions from this poster

but their big drama over having account put on hold and then being reinstated was pretty ludicrous.

[SidDithers]

55. Good...

Good riddance.

Sid

[joeybee12]

59. Too bad, I think he over-reacted at times...but he was right about

homophobia here.

[yardwork]

63. There are a bunch of gay folks on this thread not defending him. Including me.

Pointing out homophobia is not an excuse for misogyny.

[hlthe2b]

66. +++

[yardwork]

140. Hi there! How you?

[hlthe2b]

146. pretty well, but a bit more scarce here lately...

Happy to see you, yardwork

[stevenleser]

73. Was it always the case with him? I saw horrible stuff lately but I wonder what happened.

When someone with 5000+ posts, in his case 9000+ and a 10 year DU membership all of a sudden seems to lose it and go off the deep end with comments, I wonder if there is something going on in their personal lives that has caused this.

Maybe it doesnt matter, but I am just shocked at his recent behavior.

[yardwork]

137. Hi Steven! I really don't know.

[myrna minx]

95. Hiya Yardwork. It's great to see you!

I hope you're well.

I agree with you. While I'm only an ally, albeit a passionate one, I'm also a feminist too. The connection between homophobia and misogyny is so intwined that it makes me cringe when I see what appears to be such seething misogyny pouring forth from someone whose sexual orientation, historically, suffers from misogyny too. I hope he can find some sort of peace. If he only knew how many women were his allies in his fight for equality - and we are, in spite his nasty ideas about us.

[yardwork]

135. Hi there! Always wonderful to see you, Myrna! You are so right.

[nomorenomore08]

84. Funny how a person can be so right about one thing and so wrong about something else.

When he spoke of an excessive tolerance for thinly veiled homophobia on DU, I often found myself nodding along. But when he started whining about "misandry" - while completely ignoring (if not participating in) the slut-shaming and anti-choice bullshit that goes on here - it was instant facepalm time.

[joeybee12]

88. Reminds me of looking up at FUX Noise at the gym and they're trying to adopt cats and dogs...

How can such evil people like animals???

[REP]

64. I noticed that whining sound had stopped.

The one that sounded like "misandreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee poor meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

[pintobean]

65. Not the sharpest tool in the shed

He was arrogant and mean - a bad combination.

[Whisp]

68. He was in constant enraged outrage.

Creepy feeling from him.

Glad he is gone but hope he gets some help of some sort.

[stevenleser]

74. Definitely needs some sort of help.

I hope he takes that in the spirit intended if he reads this.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I know. I have to wonder about people like that.

Just constantly bounding from one unacceptable, hair-on-fire outrage to the next, each one invariably worse than the one before.



I'd suggest decaf.

[Tarheel_Dem]

111. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

[Puglover]

78. I was incorrect. I wrote.

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2013, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)

"When he referred to Skinners kids as his "crotchfruit" he should have gotten the boot right there and then."


BZZT!!!!!!! Failing memory.


It was Subatomic. Another TSed DU member.

Thanks Msanthrope for the heads up!

[closeupready]

81. That remark was way over-the-top; nonetheless,

I will miss him in the same way that people say, 'you can't help loving who you love', Pab is a fellow GLBT person, and I'm biased in favor of giving them every benefit of the doubt.

[stevenleser]

89. I'm really confused about the recent meltdown.

It was definitely PPR-worthy, but it just makes me wonder what was up with that person.

[closeupready]

118. Yes, it did seem very unlike him. OTOH, trying to make sense

of the nonsensical, DU constantly evolves, and perhaps he'd felt there had been changes to which he was unwilling to adapt? And as you say, maybe something happened that made him snap?

Who knows.

[Hekate]

96. Am I ever glad I missed that gem

[msanthrope]

107. Wasn't that Sub Atomic? Were they the same? nt

[Puglover]

108. God if it was I am really wrong.

And if so will happily self delete. You could be right.

I'll do a quick search.

[msanthrope]

112. I think that was a legendary, many thread meltdown....Pab might have defended

him in Meta, though....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/photobucket.com/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x191754

[Puglover]

114. Thanks for doing the legwork.

How embarrassing. Good for you on catching it.

[Sheldon Cooper]

83. Good. His naked hatred of women was disturbing.

[nomorenomore08]

85. Which seems like a gigantic blind spot, for someone otherwise so sensitive to perceived bigotry...

[stevenleser]

87. Doubly mysterious considering bigotry against the LGBT community has sometimes contained

slut-shaming against gay men. I'm talking about in general in the US, not here on DU. You hear right wingers talking about gay men being promiscuous.

I am not in favor of slut shaming anyone for consensual sex acts with other adults.

[nomorenomore08]

90. I guess it's a case of someone wrapped up their in own problems that they ignore others'...

[BainsBane]

106. That was odd

The inordinate concern with what young girls wear. I just didn't get it.

[stevenleser]

115. Yes. I don't get that either.

It is not my business to assume why someone is wearing particular clothing. That has nothing to do with my behavior towards them.

[kestrel91316]

93. THIS thread was when I figured out he had no place on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023940422

[MadrasT]

132. Yeah, I thought it was only a matter of time

until he got the axe after that gem.

[Rowdyboy]

98. Thats the 4th spot thats opened up on my Jury Blacklist in the last two weeks! The Admins are

shoveling shit out the door as fast as they can apparently.

[alcibiades_mystery]

101. Good

Nasty sort, that one.

[geek tragedy]

105. When he said that Dylan Harris and Eric Klebold were the real victims, that did it for me. nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

109. That was the heads up for me...

The fact that he pushed that, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

The post about women being upset about paying for Viagra further increase the WTF factor, and today's thread confirmed it. I did try to get along with him.

[Union Scribe]

138. Yep. That was so over the line.

Combine that with his anger at women and you've got a truly troubled individual.

[quinnox]

122. I wasn't going to comment, but then remembered this is the duer who would often make excuses for

school massacres and shootings by young lunatics, and he would say they were bullied, and strongly imply, if not say outright, that was a legitimate excuse for their despicable murders. Like, "See! This is what happens when a kid is bullied!"

My reaction to that argument was always "ick", and it was more than a little disturbing to see them say that. And creepy too.

There is no fucking excuse for these kids to kill their class mates, and there are plenty of kids who get bullied that don't go on killing sprees.

[X_Digger]

131. I believe his investment in that position was due to an (upcoming?) book he was going to write..

.. or had already written, or somesuch. Had written and was shopping for a publisher, maybe? (My memory's fuzzy, to be honest.)

[zappaman]

134. No, his crappy book came out.

Great title since the massacre was so fucking funny.


http://www.amazon.com/Funny-Thing-Happened-Way-Columbine-ebook/dp/B006BZOWP2

[X_Digger]

136. *headdesk* n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

139. Some of the negative comments on the book are downright hilarious.

Funnier than the book, I am sure.

[Cali_Democrat]

142. What the hell?

[mopinko]

123. he was a troll, and he did it well.

glad the lads are bringing the hammer. bout time.

[tjwash]

124. WHAT!!??!

You mean we will all have to get along without him invading threads with his patented brand of insecure masculinity to tell us all how women are the real villains here?

How will we cope?

[msanthrope]

125. There's no shortage of that type of poster....so fear thee not. nt

[Texasgal]

128. I have to say

THANK YOU BABY JESUS!

I'm sorry... but that was one angry poster that did not know how to deal well on DU. I am glad he is gone.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

133. When he said anyone gunned down in a school shooting was a bully....

....that really sealed it for me. Professional troll.

[Recursion]

143. Maybe he shouldn't have dressed the way he did (nt)

[Arugula Latte]

144. He was asking for it.

[KG]

145. took 58k posts to figure out he was a major dumbass?