So...any "we got it wrong" admissions from former Zimmermaniacs?

[Ken Burch]

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Any expressions of second thoughts?

Any acknowledgment that the arrogant, abusive tone they took in dismissing the pro-Trayvon community just might MAYBE have been slightly wrong....?

Or, are they gonna claim that the Zimm's girlfriend looked like a black kid in a hoodie?

(on edit: I was talking about Zimmerman apologists OUTSIDE of DU...ok?)

[anneboleyn]

1. I have been wondering about this...We will see.

[Rex]

2. Been really quiet from the Zimmerman apologists.

I've seen one or two, but not the 20 or so that were hounding everyone on this board about Zimmy being the victim in all this and deserving an acquittal.

[madashelltoo]

3. Taafe's on Nancy Grace now.

He paid Zim's $900 (10%) bail and singing his sad "bad women in my life" blues for him too.

[ecstatic]

4. So he's free? ! nt

[madashelltoo]

6. Uh, yeah.

On a monitor with no guns and has to stay in Florida.

[Nevernose]

24. Jail is for The Blacks and The Mexicans and The Poors

A guy like Zimmerman has people lining up to post his bail.

[Voice for Peace]

31. this guy?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/frank-taaffe-george-zimmerman-racist-white-voice

[madashelltoo]

32. Yup.

[Voice for Peace]

33. oh yeah.. found the video

[BainsBane]

5. No, because it wasn't really about Zimmerman

It was about their own latent desires to shoot someone themselves and get away with it-- in "self defense," of course.

[Ken Burch]

15. their own latent desires to shoot everybody

who happens to be young, male, and of color.

[Katashi_itto]

7. Sound of Crickets....

[joeglow3]

8. I'll step up

No.

Do I think he killed him in cold blood? Yes. Do I think they defense met the burden of proof? No. So am I glad he got off? Hell yes. Not because I give two shits about him. Rather, if we lowered the threshold to convict people just to capture Zimmerman, the massive ripples you would see through the minority communities as they were raped by the courts would cause much more damage. As the saying goes, "I would rather let 1,000 guilty men go than convict one innocent man." This is especially true when discussing our racist courts.

Now, I fully expect to get blasted by people who are mentally incapable of seeing the delineation between my view and those of people who just supported the murderer.

[Ikonoklast]

10. I take issue with thise statement.

Rather, if we lowered the threshold to convict people just to capture Zimmerman, the massive ripples you would see through the minority communities as they were raped by the courts would cause much more damage.

Minority suspects have been getting raped by the judicial system on much flimsier evidence for, well, forever in this country.


If Zimmerman was Black, and Trayvon was White, do you really believe he would have been acquitted?

[joeglow3]

12. I think the raping would increase tenfold.

[Cal Carpenter]

20. In this case, it's not about 'lowering the threshold'

It's about enforcing existing law, it's about a halfway decent prosecution, it's about the systemic injustices that doomed the case from the start. From the very collection of evidence at the scene to all points after.

The prosecution failed.

[joeglow3]

23. Agreed. But there were people who still wanted a conviction with all that

That would have been a clear lowering of the standard.

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. that's what he was trying to tell you....that "standard" you keep throwing around HAS been lowered

if you happen to be African American. That is why he asked you if you think Zimmerman were Black and Trayvon were White. Because that creates a much different "standard" in reality doesn't it?

[Johnny Ready]

9. Very good question...very low odds

the people who simply "knew" he was innocent are the type who would never be able to admit they are wrong. Of course now we see the truth about both, them and Zimmerman.

[hack89]

11. Two separate issues

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It was clear that he was responsible for TM's death.

It was also very clear to some of us that it would be a hard case to prosecute because Z was the only surviving eye witness and of quirks in Florida law. It says a lot about the weakness of the case when the DA bypassed the grand jury to indict Z. Prosecution witnesses supporting Z's story didn't help either.

Pointing out the weakness of the state's case infuriated many here - it was an issue that could not be discussed in a dispassionate manner.

[Ken Burch]

13. You yourself weren't discussing it in a dispassionate manner.

You first dismissed and then baited all of those who refused to accept your "they shouldn't prosecute" argument.

You treated all who disagreed with you as if they were children.

And you reaped the response you sowed.

[hack89]

22. Like I said .... nt

[JI7]

28. it wasn't tough at all, it the races were switched it would have been an easy guilty verdict

the fact that the dead was only armed with skittles and iced tea.

the fact that there is proof of zimmerman going after him and being armed.

the fact that zimmerman lied about his wounds .

[hack89]

42. Ok. Nt

[Blue_Tires]

14. Being on the internettes means never having to admit you were ever wrong

about *anything*....

Found that out a long, long time ago..

[hfojvt]

16. "the arrogant abusive tone"?

Really? Are you Sirius?

Shall I look up and link to some of the thing said here about Zimmerman defenders? I probably won't have to because they will show up right here in this thread. Probably already have.

Even "Zimmermaniac"? Who the hell is a maniac? A maniac because some people think facts should matter? And that hatred should be tempered?

[Ken Burch]

19. see the revised OP.

thought my intent was obvious. Sorry.

[hfojvt]

21. heck, I have no idea what was said outside of DU

I don't have cable, and wouldn't be watching RW shows even if I did.

I don't even know half of what is said ON DU. But I think that is true of most DUers.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. Uh, no. Criminal justice isn't what most people seem to think it is.

He was charged with a crime that was difficult to prove he committed. As in vogue as it may be to say he's a coldbloodedpremeditatedstalkerracistmurderingscum, that was impossible to prove in an actual court of law with
actual standards of proof, which tend to be stronger than, "come on, you KNOW he murdered him."

In short, they overcharged Zimmerman. Had they made a lesser charge, he'd probably be in prison right now.

In any case, instructions to juries don't include the phrase, "and while you're thinking it over, keep in mind that
if you don't convict this guy, he may show up again, and boy, will you look STUPID then." And thank God for that,
or there'd be even more innocent people in prison.

I don't know whether to be amused or scared at certain people's conception of the criminal justice system.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. You don't think that could have been on purpose?

to increase the odds of acquittal?

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Oh brother

TVs and movies have turned people's minds to MUSH.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. I am speaking directly to that Lady D.A. that wanted to run for higher office....

She had political motivations she would want to see Zimmerman skate.....for her career move. She didn't want to have to run being the one that prosecuted that "poor poor Georgie" to come up during her campaign..

[Dreamer Tatum]

39. Occam had a razor. nt

[malaise]

18. Don't hold your breath

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Yes...

I would like to hear what that arrogant 1st juror have to say now. She seemed to be in love with Zimmy and knew his heart and all that.

[JI7]

27. zimmerman was wrong but Trayvon could have handled it better

that's pretty much what i hear from many who don't want to continue to defend him but just can't admit they were wrong . and much it is because of racism.

Trayvon is still black so they see someone who was guilty. unless it can be proven that trayvon was totally innocent they have to believe he had some fault in this. that zimmerman may have not done the right thing but trayvon's actions didn't help.

so it's not enough to show that there is no proof of trayvon doing anything horrible. they need proof such as video to show that he did not do anything wrong.

[arcane1]

30. Trayvon could have better handled the approaching armed man who knew the cops were on their way.

George had that confidence. Trayvon didn't.

[agent46]

26. I admit I was wrong about Zimmerman

I was sure he'd become a celebrity consultant or host some kind of Neighborhood Watch reality show. I feel like an idiot.

[Blue Owl]

29. They're working up a phony rescue story where GZ looks like a hero

n/t

[rufus dog]

36. PTSD from the stress of all those evil libruls picking on Georgie.

Taffe was just on Piers Morgan using that defense. When Piers said given that should Zimmy have guns and the douche responded, boys will have their toys.

Not that I am angry at you, but do you really think the mother fucking, cock sucking, sub-human, steaming piles of mother fucking shit will really ever take responsibility for one fucking thing???

FUUUUCK! Ok, I feel a bit better now but still pissed off.

[NuclearDem]

40. *sigh* We're really going to refight World War Z aren't we?

[Skittles]

41. I can tell you their latest meme

poor Zimmy was justified in stalking, confronting WITH A GUN an unarmed teenager and killing him, but he's acting out now only because of how badly he has been treated by the people who disagreed with that verdict....let's just call it what it is: RACISM RACISM RACISM