Why has no one called out Rachel Maddow for her misandry?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

Was her "Man Cave/OB-GYN For Dummies" bit hilarious or was it misandristic?


Are we done yet?

Some of yous are completely ridiculous. The Truth Hurts.

[Suich]

1. I had to look up "misandristic."

I thought her bit was hilarious!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

2. Well, you're wrong. It was misandristic.

Of course it was LOL hilarious...too!

[madokie]

37. Off topic but heres a good addon for firefox

that lets you highlight a word and it gives you a definition, quick and painless and without a bunch of clicking away.
Dictionary lookup extension 2.0
I wouldn't be without it as it is much less intrusive to use than any of the dictionaries I've tried before.

On topic: I say leave Rachel alone, she is one of the most if not the most intelligent person on our teevees. Simply love her.

[csziggy]

3. Which one are you talking about? The one from last October?

The one which was based on specific questions asked of Mitt Romney that demonstrated he did/does not understand how contraceptives work? The one where Rachel Maddow used satire and facts to illustrate how ignorant many men are about the subject of contraceptives?

I thought it was funny at the time and now re-watching it, and thinking about the recent public discussions of contraceptives and women's health care, I realize how abysmally ignorant most men are on the entire subject.

Perhaps you should watch the clip all the way through and think about that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#44983707

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

6. No, it was less educational and more patronizing than you wish to admit too. She did it to...

...patronize men in a mocking, non-compassionate way.

Period

The bar you have set for Bill Maher/men is way too high.

The truth hurts. Deal with it.

Rachel Failed you!!!!

[csziggy]

48. It was more educational than what most men bother to learn about women's reproduction

In their lifetimes. Men on average know next to nothing about women's sexuality and very few men bother to attempt to learn anything about the biology of the women in their lives.

Why should ignorance be treated compassionately? "Patronizing" is an odd word to use for a woman schooling men on this subject since the root of the word is from the Latin pater. Perhaps you mean that Rachel Maddow had the audacity to treat ignorant men with the contempt they deserve? Or do you mean that it was insolent for any woman to treat men as badly as men treat women on a daily basis?

Personally, I expect men to treat other people with respect no matter their sex, race, religion or national origin whether the men are prominent personalities or private individuals. Apparently a number of those categories are too difficult for many men to act like adults about, with the number of ignorant, rude and obnoxious things men say every day.

Sorry, but if you were offended by Rachel's presentation - deal with it.

[AtomicKitten]

4. She had some fun poking stupidity with a stick.

Misandry? Pfft.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

7. Maher, misogynistic? Pfft.

Good to see some of you are catching on

[AtomicKitten]

10. Maher occasionally makes sexist remarks, but he's no misogynist.

Maher is an actual comedian, doing a standup monologue and prepared bits such as New Rules and Inside the Bubble on his show. He also travels quite a bit doing standup.

You're thinking of Limbaugh who is an actual misogynist.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

11. No, I'm thinking that all of the threads about liberal misogynists are out of control

It's a "not nice" world out there.

No one, not even Rachel Maddow, can live up to the standard many of you have set for commentators.

And, like me, you wouldn't want it any other way.

Rachel spent 10:19 humiliating, shaming, and patronizing Republican men with her "Man Cave/OB-GYN For Dummies" bit.

The horror!!!

Was it merely harmless "poking fun" or was it a 10 minute bit designed to humiliate these men?

How could that possibly be anything but mean-spirited at its base?

...and hilarious.

Damn! Shaming and humiliationg others is hilarious!!!

It's a "not nice" world out there. The truth hurts. Deal with it.

[AtomicKitten]

12. If Rachel spent 10 minutes 'humiliating, shaming, and patronizing' (AKA: mocking)

some ignorant male GOP politicians for their insidious campaign to take this country and women's rights in particular back a century, that's 10 minutes well spent in my view.

We've come a long way, baby. Deal with it.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

13. Is that what you've learned along the way? Stoop to their level?

If someone treats you like crap, bury them neck deep in it?

How admirable of you! You're one of them, now.

Take a bow.

You have come a long way, baby!

[EFerrari]

15. What a pantload.

You are comparing apples and pipe bombs. Rachel is not a member of a powerful majority engaged in discrimination and misandry is not an endemic problem in this culture.

This is as boneheaded as the wingnuts raving about reverse discrimination.

Some of yous is ridiculous.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

18. How is Rachel different than Bill Maher or other liberals who've crawled up your butts?

Apples to apples.

She isn't.

Some of yous have ridiculously hypervigilant defense mechanisms, so much so I can hit you between the eyes with a 2x4 and you won't feel it.

[EFerrari]

49. Lmao.

In order for Rachel to be "the same" as Bill Maher, she'd have to belong to a privileged class and she doesn't.

Before you swing your 2X4 at anyone, you might want to check out the railroad tie in your own eye.

[pinboy3niner]

22. "Some of yous is ridiculous," LOL!

Right back at 'im! +1000

I haven't seen the referenced clip, so I don't know whether the claim that she is "humiliating, shaming, and patronizing" someone in it "in a mocking, non-compassionate way" is accurate or not--although 'non-compassionate' is a term that I would never even think of associating with RM.

What seems bonheaded is this back-assed way of making a point--which still is only partly clear, even after the exposition in the thread.

Instead of a straightforward discussion of the issue, the OP seems more interested in slamming fellow/sister members for their views in a flamebaiting way.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

23. I know! None of you want to look! The horror!!

It's like a pinata hitting party 'round here.

[pinboy3niner]

25. "None of you want to look!"

It seems that your diatribe is more about US than it is about the issue. Instead of making your point on an issue in a straightforward way, you are more interested in disparaging others here for their views.

You seem to be saying that everybody does this crap, that that's the way life is, and if we still like Rachel (after your characterization about her work) that means it's okay and we should just accept it.

You assert that "No one, not even Rachel Maddow, can live up to the standard many of you have set for commentators."

But, instead of simply expressing your POV on the issue, you attack others here who may have a different POV: "Some of yous are completely ridiculous."

That is gratuitously provocative shit-stirring and flame-baiting, if you'll pardon the redundancy.

And you haven't once mentioned the elephant in the room--Rush Limbaugh--and how he measures up under your "not nice" world standards.

When are you going to hit THAT piñata ?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

27. YES!!! It is about you! It's all about you! If you *tried*, you would have figured that out long ago

But...

The Horror!!!

Just blindly swing away.

[pinboy3niner]

31. You ought to consider getting back on your meds :)

I haven't posted anything that might qualify as a target of the OP, so you "might have figured out long ago" that your obsession is not about *me*. It looks to be directed, rather, at other DUers who have expressed views that seem to really be getting under your saddle.

Your reply here makes no sense at all: "YES!!! It is about you! It's all about you!" and "The Horror!!! Just blindly swing away."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

34. I gave you too much credit, then

Because you stated, empatically, that you "figured out" (my words) that I was talking about ALL OF YOU (and your tell was that you wrote "It seems that your diatribe is more about US...&quot , it was understood that the "you" in question was collective, not singularly directed at you.

If that wasn't clear, perhaps you need to read what you wrote, then you will see that I wasn't addressing it only at you, but to the others, as well.

[sarcasmo]

40. +1

in response to post #31

[Shankapotomus]

21. It's their crap

The least Rachel can do is give it back to them.

[tledford]

41. If Republican men have any self-awareness (doubtful), then ...

... they're already humiliated, ashamed and embarrassed.

[treestar]

56. I don't think she really did that, though

She was using the concept of people not understanding that there is not a clear line between abortion and contraception that can be conveniently defined as "life begins at conception." They aren't getting that if that were true, some of the BC pill's effects could be seen as terminating a life since there can still be fertilized ovum in the birth control pill context.

That includes pro-life women and excluded pro-choice men. The man cave thing was just a comedic device.

[appleannie1]

5. She tells it like it is. If you don't like it. Get out of the kitchen.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. If you can't follow along, get out of the kitchen.

I've been told the truth hurts. I see this topic trips your defense mechanisms. That applies to many of you.

[TeamsterDem]

8. LOL nicely done. k&r. nt

[Zalatix]

14. You couldn't even get 2 DUers to agree that Sharon Osborne was being sexist

when she was making jokes about Catherine Kieu castrating her husband for no reason.

WTF makes you think you'll get any traction with Rachel Maddow? (Mind you, I am not sure what Maddow actually said, but it can't be as bad as Osborne's jokes about castration.)

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

19. You can't follow the discussion because you choose not to try.

I know that from this part of your post...

"I am not sure what Maddow actually said."

And yet, you are

I figured that out from this part of your post...

"WTF makes you think you'll get any traction..."

Some of yous really have a problem with impulsive reactivity.

[Zalatix]

38. You can't follow what I SAID because you choose not to read.

I wasn't ANGRY about Rachel Maddow.

I said that whatever she might have said, it couldn't be worse than Sharon Osborne and few DUers would raise a stink about the latter.

Some of yous really have a problem with reading.

[MADem]

17. I suspect they left that to you, and you're managing quite nicely.

Keep stirring now...don't want it to stick.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

20. This is low hanging fruit

[MADem]

39. Oh, I think it's already fallen off the tree at this point. nt

[Rex]

52. He is just mad cause no one would poo poo on Maher

and so he went after a women...so telling it is pathetic to watch.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

24. I confess! Like *you*, I love it when Rachel demeans Republican men, too!!

I do.

I watch Rachel every night.

I watch Bill Maher every week.

I love it when he demeans Republican women, too.

They have different styles, but when you cut to the quick, their humor is demeaning by intent.

The truth hurts.

Deal with it.

[Motown_Johnny]

26. Maybe because we are secure in our manhood.

I liked that segment and was not threatened by it in the least.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

28. I don't know what accounts for all the knee-jerking 'round here

Just a lot of hypervigilantly, protective people.

Whatever I'm touching is too close to home and too near the bone.

Seems they live in one of those bubbles Bill Maher talks about.

[Motown_Johnny]

29. False Equivalency is always problematic

Talking down to men who don't understand the basics of how women't reproductive organs work isn't the same as attacking women for being a prostitute and/or a slut or claiming that she should post videos of herself having sex because she somehow owes that to men she has never met.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

33. For many, equating Maher to Limbaugh came very easy

however, it too, is equally problematic.

But Bill Maher vis-a-vis Rachel Maddow is not asking one to make that quantum leap.

[Dokkie]

30. Because 99% of US population

doesnt know what the word misandry means or if it even existed. Heck my spell check is still trying to correct the correct spelling of misandry as I am typing this in 2012

[2pooped2pop]

32. I think everyone is fucking nuts

Rush finally starts to get what he deserves and half of this site is busy with "wait, wait, the dems do it too"

I'll bet the pugs get most of their talking points from the shit pointed out on this site.

Wait, they missed that we did it too. We did it too.

Fucking crazy shit.

People getting all worked up over the wrong fucking shit.

Anyone who thinks that ANYTHING we on the left have done, is comparable to the atrocities of the right, is a fucking moron.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

35. I'm buying

[liberal_mama]

42. I agree with you

It's really getting crazy! I'll always defend my political party, even if they do something questionable. If someone tells me that the left did something, I'll just look stupid and pretend nothing happened. That's what the right does.

[2pooped2pop]

47. It's not so bad to own up to it

but pointing it out relentlessly is fucking absurd.

It's like, I finally learned not to ask my husband if "my ass looks fat in these jeans". I finally realized that my ass looks fine to him and pointing out that it's fat only puts the spotlight on something he had no complaints about to begin with. Now, he might start noticing that my ass does kind of look fat in these jeans.


and some of these people harping on the Maher thing, so remind me of the kid in grade school that the teacher had watch the class for her while she stepped out. You know the one. "teacher, teacher!" while straining on the edge of her seat, hand pumping the air, for teacher to call on her to tattle. "teacher, teacher, Billy said a bad word too!"

[pa28]

53. Exactly.

I've been a Democratic long enough to understand it but I don't think I'll ever get used to it.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

36. My shift is about up, and by the time I rise this thread will have been vaporized by Team Maddow

Night all

[haele]

43. There is a difference between belittling a perception, and belittling a person.

Rachel Maddow was belittling the perception or lack of education - the "For Dummies" was a big give-away. BTW, the "For Dummies" book series is one of the best teaching series out there for people who want to become usefully educated in a process or subject in a casual, humorous way.
What she did was just as misandristic as mocking "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus". It's not a case of "All men are clueless about contraception", but that some men were clueless about contraception.

Limbaugh was belittling a person, a woman who he thought was being "uppity", and trying to crush her. Stating outright that the only reason any woman would want to use contraception would be to have as much sex as they can and not get pregnant.

It is an apples and oranges situation - the subject differences are some men "thinking" vs. all women "using” and delivery differences are sarcastic education vs. sarcastic castigation.

Understanding how contraception works is a matter of education - if the person then decides that contraception is immoral, that's a choice.
Using contraception is a choice.

Two different focii, two different approaches.

If Rachel was saying all men who used Viagra or Cialis were man sluts who were having so much sex every night that they needed the government to force insurance to cover enough of their little blue pills that they could have that sex, and that she wanted them all to post their porn videos before she could go along with the government requiring insurance companies to provide it, then she would be be exactly on the same page that Rush was.

BTW, it is also different for people to snark on Rush's apparent personal over-use of Viagra, as that is a sign of his hypocrisy; mocking other people's sexual activity but acting innocent about his own.
Most those same people wouldn't say boo if it was Bob Dole or someone else who had gone through prostate cancer treatment and wanted to still have marital relationships with his significant other.

Intelligent people know there is a difference between contraception and ED pills, and they know that there are a myriad of reasons that someone might need both, including medical reasons (as in, Viagra was originally a heart/blood pressure regulation medicine) and unless they are using these prescriptions for illegal purposes, "it ain't nobody's business if they do".

That was Rachel's point. Not "Hey Men, you're stupid"

Haele

[HopeHoops]

44. I'm in my "man cave" right now. Actually it's just the computer room, however...

My wife put up a purple curtain (old blanket actually) on a spring bar and started calling it my "man cave". It has stuck.

[Odin2005]

45. Trolling FAIL.

[Rex]

51. He tried to poo poo Maher

and since that was a huge obvious troll fail...he goes after a woman.

Can you believe this shit?

Pathetic.

[fascisthunter]

46. ...you'd have to morally dumb not to see the difference

but, I expect that of those who defend Rush Limbaugh and his bigotry of women, minorities and any other group of people he deems as "un-American". Coming from a nazi like him, I take pride in his attempts to marginalize people like me, just as I revel at your sad attempt to try to draw some equivalency.

Give rush a big hug for us all.... we really feel bad for him and his ditto heads.

[Rex]

50. Wow, people cannot handle Gush being called out

as the loser he is!!! It is FN GREAT! I LOVE IT!!!

Your trolling of Maher didn't pan out so you went after a woman...

Pathetic.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. So true

Some people are clearly mad that Rush is getting his ass handed to him right now.

[NoNeed4Attention]

54. Wait...what?

[DutchLiberal]

55. Because most men aren't so overly sensitive that they see 'evil intentions' behind every joke.

A joke about a woman, made by a man, obviously is part of a big evil patriarchal scheme to denigrate and dehumanize women so men can keep on oppressing them.

A joke about a man, made by a woman, is just that... a joke.

See the difference?

I didn't hear Maddow's comments, but if I had, I probably would've laughed my ass off. But when Bill Maher makes a similar joke about women, I'm considered a sexist pig for laughing.

[Quantess]

57. This has to be satire.