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Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:35 PM Nov 2013

How many of you have visited JFK's grave site in Arlington?

When I lived in Arlington (1970-72 ), I visited several times. It became depressing to me because I would think about who was in the White House at that time (Nixon) and what might have been had Jack and Bobby lived. I am sure being a draftee in the Army and thinking about what our country was going through those years just made it worse.

Anyway, how many of you have visited there, and is it still pretty much the same as back then? Do you also become depressed just thinking about what might have been?

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How many of you have visited JFK's grave site in Arlington? (Original Post) Elwood P Dowd Nov 2013 OP
I did, just after he was placed there, I never went back again, I found it depressing thinking RKP5637 Nov 2013 #1
I've been all over the U.S. and around the world Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #2
well, why not? grasswire Nov 2013 #6
hahha. it's on my to do list. I'm just the type who'd rather Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #12
In all fairness - DC is a world cultural center Trajan Nov 2013 #20
I'd like to go when my son is old enough to enjoy Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #43
Oh--the museums....truly, unlike anything in the world. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #35
Me. As a child and an adult. nt City Lights Nov 2013 #3
Same thing here. DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #31
I have, about 10 years ago. Agschmid Nov 2013 #4
yes grasswire Nov 2013 #5
I went when I was 15 on a class trip back in 1986 nt maryellen99 Nov 2013 #7
I've been. Chan790 Nov 2013 #8
Yes DUgosh Nov 2013 #9
I went to his funeral. I was in college at the time. pangaia Nov 2013 #10
So the lottery didn't get you? Elwood P Dowd Nov 2013 #14
I was teaching at a university music school. pangaia Nov 2013 #30
I did when I was in the army. texanwitch Nov 2013 #11
I have not Marrah_G Nov 2013 #13
A few times... CherokeeDem Nov 2013 #15
1966 - it was still in the temporary arrangement. RagAss Nov 2013 #16
visited with my husband and parents on the day after Jackie was buried. MANative Nov 2013 #17
I visited JFK's grave site not long after 9/11 AndyA Nov 2013 #18
I was when stationed at Andrews AFB in 1974 just before Nixon resigned. Took the family in the 80's. Scuba Nov 2013 #19
Probably been there about 8-9 times. I live in Maryland. PragmaticLiberal Nov 2013 #21
Yes. I lived in DC for awhile and went there a couple times. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #22
Don't know what it was like "back then" MadrasT Nov 2013 #23
Yes .... We took a family trip to DC in 2003 Trajan Nov 2013 #24
The Vietnam memorial was about as much regret as I could handle Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #25
I've been there, I used to live on Ft Myer MrScorpio Nov 2013 #26
8th grade trip over a decade ago. CFLDem Nov 2013 #27
4 times GP6971 Nov 2013 #28
I have back in the 70's newfie11 Nov 2013 #29
We Visited In 1990 Liberal_Dog Nov 2013 #32
Yeah, but I was pretty young. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #33
I did while at Pres. Obama's Inaugration in January. FLyellowdog Nov 2013 #34
I did, twice life long demo Nov 2013 #36
Yes. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #37
Went with my parents as a kid in 1976, with my high school choir in 1985, and with my ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #38
The views from the Lee Mansion area are pretty incredible on a beautiful spring day. Elwood P Dowd Nov 2013 #39
i have, several times nutsnberries Nov 2013 #40
I have. Myrina Nov 2013 #41
More than once TomClash Nov 2013 #42
I did in 8th grade (1994) tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #44
NJ Boy Scout trips to DC. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #45
Twice. Just ~3 months ago and back in '73 when I was 10 n/t Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #46
I have visited it on both trips I've made to the US RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2013 #47
Saw it for the first time earlier this month narnian60 Nov 2013 #48
I went when I was still in school JesterCS Nov 2013 #49
Multiple times pinboy3niner Nov 2013 #50
I have visited several times. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2013 #51
I went in 1993 but was there for RFK anniversary kydo Nov 2013 #52
I was there, Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #53
One of the stops on our hop on hop off tour was the JFK grace site. Ninga Nov 2013 #54
yes SarasotaDem Nov 2013 #55
One time, not too long after Teddy Kennedy passed away. Paladin Nov 2013 #56
It's a very peaceful place. We went at DiverDave Nov 2013 #57
I experienced the same thing at the Pearl Harbor memorial..... llmart Nov 2013 #60
I have. llmart Nov 2013 #58
I visited, also find it does depress.Even this 50 yr memorial, think about what might have been. Sunlei Nov 2013 #59
I'm happy President Obama took a lot of advice from the Kennedy family, including pet choice :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #61
Yes, the first time when I was stationed at Fort Meade, MD, in early 1968 Glorfindel Nov 2013 #62
I lived in DC for several years. Gemini Cat Nov 2013 #63
I have twice once in March of 1977 gopiscrap Nov 2013 #64
Our family went in the late 60's Omaha Steve Nov 2013 #65
Yes, and, on the same day, I shook President Johnson's hand at the White House. Coyotl Nov 2013 #66

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
1. I did, just after he was placed there, I never went back again, I found it depressing thinking
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:38 PM
Nov 2013

about how highly I thought of him and what might have been.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
12. hahha. it's on my to do list. I'm just the type who'd rather
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:46 PM
Nov 2013

go to New York than D.C. or go to Shanghai rather than Beijing. I went to capitals of other countries like London, Paris, and Rome but that's because those also happen to be the business, cultural, and historic centers of the countries--not just the capital.

Anyway, I know there are a ton of monuments and museums I'd love to go see, so I will make it there at some point.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
20. In all fairness - DC is a world cultural center
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:12 PM
Nov 2013

While NYC is my favorite place in the whole wide world, it is a different kind of cultural milieu - Washington DC is a central locale of world political culture, like Rome and Athens, etc ...

The Smithsonian Museums ( that is plural ) alone is worth the trip ... It should be worth an at least once in your life visit ... I highly recommend it ... especially the gravesite of JFK

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
43. I'd like to go when my son is old enough to enjoy
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:11 PM
Nov 2013

He'll be 2 in March. I guess business could take me there before then. But I agree. I want to do a Colonial Williamsburg through DC, mid-Atlantic train trip and stop along the way.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
8. I've been.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:44 PM
Nov 2013

I have no idea what it was like then, I was born in the Carter administration...by a whole 25 days before Reagan took office.

I can't become depressed about what I have no concept of...there has never been a president in my lifetime as liberal as JFK and LBJ or RFK and MLK Jr. for that matter.

Everybody always ponders an RFK presidency...the one that intrigues me more is a still-prominent registered-Republican MLK Jr. in the 1980 GOP primary. I think he'd have won, it'd have been his for the taking and the Reagan (Buckley/Goldwater/Bush) iteration of modern conservatism would have been dead, the course of future-past altered immensely. (Now that, I'm sure, depresses everyone.)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. I went to his funeral. I was in college at the time.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:45 PM
Nov 2013

Several years later-- in 1969. I went to D.C to audition for several of the service bands in case my draft # got close, and did go to Arlington.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
14. So the lottery didn't get you?
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:52 PM
Nov 2013

Don't know why I didn't get drafted right after college when my deferment ran out, but I made it somehow until the lottery went in effect. Had a medium number that gave me about a 50% chance to miss the draft, but they got me much sooner than I expected. I was one of the oldest in my basic training company.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. I was teaching at a university music school.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:58 PM
Nov 2013

My student deferment ran out in the fall of 1967 after grad school.

As I remember it, my lottery number was something like 320 or higher. I would turn 26 in early November 1969 and they were drafting 19 year olds and 26 year olds in 1969, and the numbers were getting higher and higher. If I could make it to Jan 1, 1970 I would be safe... not sure I have that all exactly right, but that's close.

So just in case, I set up auditions with three of the DC service bands.
Army Band, Marine Band and Navy Band. I passed the audition in one of them and for the life of me I can't remember which one it was. Maybe I even got into two of them. Anyway, I made it to Jan 1 and told them I changed my mind.
Hope your experience wasn't too bad.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
11. I did when I was in the army.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:46 PM
Nov 2013

Went with a friend whose Father was buried there.

It was a beautiful day also sad.



CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
15. A few times...
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:53 PM
Nov 2013

unfortunately was in DC after Teddy died but did not make it to Arlington on that trip. I want to return to pay my respects to him as well.

I have to admit to being very moved not only by JFK's grave, and the eternal flame, but Robert was my hero and I was very upset as we walked to his grave the first time. The setting is beautiful and very moving... it didn't change over the years since I first visited.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
17. visited with my husband and parents on the day after Jackie was buried.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:54 PM
Nov 2013

My dad, who had marched in JFK's inauguration as part of the National Guard contingent from Massachusetts, wept like a baby. First time I'd ever seen him cry. The only other times were when his brother died, and on the day he told us he'd been diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Chokes me just to think about it.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
18. I visited JFK's grave site not long after 9/11
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:58 PM
Nov 2013

No one else was around except for the person I went with. It was a very moving experience, very peaceful, and it reminded me of what we'd lost as a country.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. I was when stationed at Andrews AFB in 1974 just before Nixon resigned. Took the family in the 80's.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:59 PM
Nov 2013

"What might have been".

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. Yes. I lived in DC for awhile and went there a couple times.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:14 PM
Nov 2013

Very moving, and, yes, depressing for "what might have been."

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
23. Don't know what it was like "back then"
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:16 PM
Nov 2013

but have been there 3 or 4 times.

It is depressing. I was born in the 60s under a cloud of what "might have been". My dad was very depressed about it, and RFK and MLK, well into the 70s.

There are framed pictures of 3 presidents in my home: Washington, Grant, and JFK. (Grant mostly because I am a civil war geek.)

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
24. Yes .... We took a family trip to DC in 2003
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:19 PM
Nov 2013

The JFK Gravesite ( and Arlington National Cemetery ) were highlights of the trip ... it was quite emotional for me, as I remembered watching, as a seven year old in Northern New Jersey, as the eternal flame was first ignited ... It is a serene and peaceful place that represented what was lost on that awful day 50 years ago ...

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
26. I've been there, I used to live on Ft Myer
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:23 PM
Nov 2013

It's very pretty.

BTW, my great uncle, Joe Louis, is buried in Arlington. Right next to his grave is the grave of Lee Marvin.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
27. 8th grade trip over a decade ago.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:26 PM
Nov 2013

Simply beautiful and a great reminder of the price for our freedom.

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
34. I did while at Pres. Obama's Inaugration in January.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:22 PM
Nov 2013

The visit to Arlington Cemetery as a whole made me cry. So many souls...

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
38. Went with my parents as a kid in 1976, with my high school choir in 1985, and with my
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:27 PM
Nov 2013

husband and children in 2002. It was right after 9/11. My daughter was in the Spelling Bee which took place Memorial Day week. What struck me was looking at his grave and being able to look over from Arlington to see the work being done to restore the Pentagon. That was the first time we actually took a guided tour and learned that JFK had stood on the Lee lawn and said it was the most beautiful view of DC...

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
39. The views from the Lee Mansion area are pretty incredible on a beautiful spring day.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:38 PM
Nov 2013

The Pentagon was on the south side just across from Fort Myer. Every time I went in that place it gave me the creeps.

nutsnberries

(1,772 posts)
40. i have, several times
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:46 PM
Nov 2013

most recently a few years ago. It always looks the same to me, and i'm always deeply moved and sad in my thoughts of what might have been.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
44. I did in 8th grade (1994)
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:15 PM
Nov 2013

I was not around during his administration (my parents were in middle school when he was killed) but I was named after one of his children, so his presidency meant more to me at that time than most of my classmates.

I often wonder that had he lived, if we would have the horror show and dismantling of this country that Reagan planted the seeds for. (Disclaimer, I was a baby when Reagan was elected and I don't know life before him).

narnian60

(3,510 posts)
48. Saw it for the first time earlier this month
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:35 AM
Nov 2013

during my first trip to D.C. I am 60 and rather ashamed it took me this long to travel to our nation's capital.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
50. Multiple times
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:46 AM
Nov 2013

To visit the Kennedy gravesites and those of friends. My best friend was interred in the columbarium there after he committed suicide more than 20 years ago, and an Army roommate is buried there in Section 59, not far from the Kennedys...



Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
51. I have visited several times.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:49 AM
Nov 2013

Arlington National Cemetery and The Vietnam Veterans Memorial are two of the most melancholy places on Earth. I have visited The Wall a lot.

I lived near DC when the fight was on about building The Wall. I thought some people were going to have strokes when Maya Lin's design was chosen. She could see what most could not.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
52. I went in 1993 but was there for RFK anniversary
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:01 AM
Nov 2013

We were stationed in Newport News VA, the hubby had duty that day. So I loaded my two kids (3 1/2 year old and 9 month) hooked up with my dad, who at the time worked in the DC area. And we attended the 25 Anniversary for RFK, which was in Arlington, we sat on the grass on a hill near both graves.

I found this article .....

RFK lauded, quoted 25 years later Mass at Arlington marks his death


June 07, 1993|By Newsday


ARLINGTON, Va. -- As about 18,000 people watched from the hillsides of Arlington National Cemetery, President Clinton late yesterday joined the family and close friends of Robert F. Kennedy in a graveside Mass on the 25th anniversary of the New York senator's death by assassination.

The president -- who for most of the tribute sat next to Robert Kennedy's widow, Ethel, while first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton sat beside Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. -- lauded the slain leader as "a relentless searcher for change, for growth, for the potential of heart and mind that he sought for himself and that he demanded of others."

Rest of article: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-06-07/news/1993158153_1_robert-kennedy-edward-kennedy-president-kennedy

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
53. I was there,
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:04 AM
Nov 2013

either in 1987 or 1988. It was a very sobering moment, to think about what might have been had he been allowed to live.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
54. One of the stops on our hop on hop off tour was the JFK grace site.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:09 AM
Nov 2013

I completely was caught off guard.....and had no idea how close to the surface my feelings about him were...because as we approached the site..I burst into tears.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
56. One time, not too long after Teddy Kennedy passed away.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:46 AM
Nov 2013

I was very impressed by the serenity and simple elegance of the site. Genuinely moving.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
57. It's a very peaceful place. We went at
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:51 AM
Nov 2013

Thanksgiving ( mistakenly thinking it would be deserted)...nope, 2nd busiest day of the year for going to the Smithsonian and seeing the sights around D.C.
It was PACKED.
But the JFK grave-site was busy, but quiet and very respectful.
Unlike the Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor.
While the American parents let their disruptive sugar stuffed kids run around and scream and carry on, the Japanese visitors were praying and crying. Throwing lei's and flowers into the water.
I have never been so ashamed of being an American as I was that day.
I was just stunned that the little monsters were allowed to act in such a disrespectful manner, at that place.
I was literally sick to my stomach. It still upsets me now 22 years later.
It really was a sickening sight to see.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
60. I experienced the same thing at the Pearl Harbor memorial.....
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:07 AM
Nov 2013

We were walking up to it and I saw several Japanese people standing in complete and utter silence reading the names. But the closer I got I saw the Americans who were just walking around chatting loudly and taking pictures of each other, many looking like they were just waiting to check it off their "tourist sites to see" list and move on. It really hit me about how uncivilized some Americans can be.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
58. I have.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:55 AM
Nov 2013

It's a very somber memorial to those of us who remember it happening. But then again, so is the Viet Nam wall.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
61. I'm happy President Obama took a lot of advice from the Kennedy family, including pet choice :)
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:10 AM
Nov 2013

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
62. Yes, the first time when I was stationed at Fort Meade, MD, in early 1968
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:38 AM
Nov 2013

I found it sad, but not depressing. This was shortly before the nightmarish events of that year. I had survived a year in Vietnam and was optimistic about the future. I didn't visit again until 1997.

gopiscrap

(23,758 posts)
64. I have twice once in March of 1977
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
Nov 2013

and then in 2009 I was assigned for work to go to DC (for a week) and took my family..We walked the route of the funeral procession on this beautiful crisp Sunday afternoon to Kennedy's grave...it gave me goose bumps thinking I was walking such a historic set of ground, specially since I had seen that route on tv so many times.

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
65. Our family went in the late 60's
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 11:58 AM
Nov 2013

The marine on duty had his hands full with me taking a picture. He kept telling me to wait until the end of the circle around the grave. I was so excited, I kept trying to take it from the beginning of the circle.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
66. Yes, and, on the same day, I shook President Johnson's hand at the White House.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

Johnson had the hugest hand I'd ever shaken.

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