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xmas74

(29,674 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:02 AM Nov 2013

More rape in Missouri-this time, it's the air force



The lieutenant colonel on the jury read from the slip of paper. Capt. Jason Wayne Boman, 29-year-old bachelor, graduate of the Air Force Academy, class of 2005:

“Not guilty.”

The rape accusation had been a shock on Whiteman at Knob Noster, Mo., where a few enlisted men have been convicted of sexual violence, but never one of the elite, one of 80 B-2 pilots. Those are the fliers who have guided their big black check marks over Chiefs games, waged war over Iraq, dropped dummy payloads not so far from North Korea just to make a point.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/23/4645786/a-womans-word-meets-the-military.html#storylink=cpy


Follow-up to a blog posted here earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024033729
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More rape in Missouri-this time, it's the air force (Original Post) xmas74 Nov 2013 OP
136 views and not a single reply? xmas74 Nov 2013 #1
I know that feeling... PCIntern Nov 2013 #2
I posted about this a week ago xmas74 Nov 2013 #3
This article makes it look really bad. delta17 Nov 2013 #4
But someone else here is arguing that since he was acquitted on base xmas74 Nov 2013 #8
I don't know much about court martials. delta17 Nov 2013 #15
It's actually three-tiered xmas74 Nov 2013 #16
Not Guilty NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #5
The military pressured the local prosecutor to hand him over xmas74 Nov 2013 #6
I would think the local prosecutor would be happy to hand off this case. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #7
Stoppy, the local prosecutor, xmas74 Nov 2013 #9
I'm somewhat familiar with Whiteman. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #10
I'm very familar with the base, xmas74 Nov 2013 #11
"If he had been enlisted the book would have been thrown at him." NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #12
Why was a prosecutor allowed to turn defense attorney? xmas74 Nov 2013 #13
"Why was a prosecutor allowed to turn defense attorney?" NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #14
Whatever you think you know about military justice BainsBane Nov 2013 #25
Only if it is a legitimate complaint MamaBOV4 Nov 2013 #19
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #32
Welcome to DU. xmas74 Nov 2013 #33
What do you propose doing about her? BainsBane Nov 2013 #26
Do you how few men in the military are convicted of rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #20
This conversation has happened in a couple of threads now xmas74 Nov 2013 #21
The ongoing theme today: Make women shut up about rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #22
I've been so involved in my threads that I didn't realize that this was an ongoing theme today. xmas74 Nov 2013 #23
The administrators need to be informed of that BainsBane Nov 2013 #24
No. xmas74 Nov 2013 #27
PM me links to the threads, please. BainsBane Nov 2013 #28
Check your mail. nt xmas74 Nov 2013 #29
kick xmas74 Nov 2013 #17
K & R historylovr Nov 2013 #18
Military = rape culture gone wild mwrguy Nov 2013 #30
This guy was an Academy grad who played football and then flew the Stealth. xmas74 Nov 2013 #31
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #34
FFS. TBF Nov 2013 #35
He's posting in another thread that I started a week ago on the same case. xmas74 Nov 2013 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #38
Typical xmas74 Nov 2013 #39
sending you a pm xmas74 Nov 2013 #40
Both posts are on the exact same case xmas74 Nov 2013 #36
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #41

PCIntern

(25,543 posts)
2. I know that feeling...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:39 AM
Nov 2013

Sucks, doesn't it?

Take heart...something tells me that there will be another incident somewhere else that everyone can ignore. And soon.

"He who runs away lives to run away another day."

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
3. I posted about this a week ago
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:43 AM
Nov 2013

and now the papers are picking this up.

This woman is going to lose her job. Why? Because her rapist went free and now his friends are making her life hell.

delta17

(283 posts)
4. This article makes it look really bad.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:34 AM
Nov 2013

There is no reason a civilian should have to go through a military court martial and be badgered like that. Since this happened off base, it should have gone through the local court system. I hope this gets fixed soon.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
8. But someone else here is arguing that since he was acquitted on base
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:37 PM
Nov 2013

there was nothing to it. You've been here and I bet you can see what the problem is. If this had been enlisted the book would have been thrown at him.

And there's no reason for the additional harassment towards the victim by his friends.

delta17

(283 posts)
15. I don't know much about court martials.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

But I do know AF culture, and it can be hard to understand even if you have been in for a while. She shouldn't have had to navigate a system she didn't understand and wasn't part of.

Some perspective from being there, there was a Whiteman vs. Warrensburg mentality. We were told that local cops targeted us because we had to pay our tickets, and that college students thought they were better than us. Most of this wasn't actually true, but a lot of us believed it. So when something happens, people circle the wagons.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
16. It's actually three-tiered
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:48 PM
Nov 2013

Whiteman vs college vs townies. Townies actually get the brunt of it, usually with the worst sentences.

I worked at the PD for a few years. You weren't targeted because you had to pay your tickets. If anything, the college kids were targeted the most. Why? Because they often came from wealthier families and if their tickets weren't paid Public Safety was notified, who would eventually make sure that the tickets were paid. A
bigger deal was made about it because every time a ticket was issued we had to notify the LE Desk.
WAFB was actually treated better than anyone else in town, especially since most of the officers were retired or had spouses still in.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
5. Not Guilty
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:40 AM
Nov 2013

He was tried and acquitted. Do you know how hard it is to get a not guilty verdict out of a military court martial? Judging by the testimony and evidence submitted, I don't see how any jury could have possibly convicted him. Nevertheless, his military career is ruined, and he will always be labelled as a rapist.

Innocent unless proven guilty - that's the American justice system. Should Captain Boman be thrown in Leavenworth based solely on this woman's accusation?

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
6. The military pressured the local prosecutor to hand him over
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:31 PM
Nov 2013

when the local prosecutor felt that it was a slam-dunk conviction.

And it's not the first time this has happened with the base-it's just the first time the victim is willing to be so open about it. Not only that but that no one, not even the victim's friends, are allowed to speak about it. Since this happened there has been quite a bit of harassment, towards the victim and her friends. Blogs have been hacked, threatening phone calls made and now his friends are trying to get the victim fired from her teaching position.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
7. I would think the local prosecutor would be happy to hand off this case.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:36 PM
Nov 2013

There is a much better chance of conviction in military court martial than a civilian court, and at the time the penalties were more severe. Frankly, in the military, if the person is sent to court martial after the article 32 hearing, a conviction is almost certain. The fact that Boman was acquitted is an indication of just how weak this case was.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
9. Stoppy, the local prosecutor,
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:52 PM
Nov 2013

has stated that she was "heavily pressured" into handing it over. She has a very high conviction rate for rape. It was an almost done deal.

From first hand accounts, the entire thing was a three-ring circus. Whiteman is a small base and with a job like his he would have been noticed. Hell, people in the local community know who most of the B-2 pilots are and they are treated differently. If he had been anything but B-2 he would have had the book thrown at him.

And even with a conviction, does that mean she has to keep her mouth shut? Her friend writes a blog entry and the next day someone hacks it. Another friend comments on FB that she will be speaking with the media and she begins to get threatening phone calls at work and at home. And now the victim is about to lose her job. Why? Because his friends have flooded the school with complaints about her.

Think it won't be hard for her to find another job? She might have to leave her field behind. After the attack by his friends it might prove to be very hard to employ her in another school

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. I'm somewhat familiar with Whiteman.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:58 PM
Nov 2013

No doubt that B-52 pilots get special treatment. I don't dispute that.

As for her right to complain about him? Of course she has that right. His friends, who believe that she wrongfully accused him of rape also have the right to complain about her. It works both ways.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
11. I'm very familar with the base,
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:08 PM
Nov 2013

since I've worked there and still live near it. This has happened before.

Still, should they be allowed to ruin her career? It's over. Should it be allowed? No. Did the rape happen? I think it did. And there was a whole lot of "high five-ing" after, with threats made to get her back.

He received preferential treatment due to his job. Even the local prosecutor has stated it. If he had been enlisted the book would have been thrown at him.

Strange how if it's enlisted the base usually just wants to prosecute their DWI cases but will let county have the others. Why was this so different?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
12. "If he had been enlisted the book would have been thrown at him."
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:17 PM
Nov 2013

Well, at least we agree on one thing. Enlisted men are also not likely to have the money to spend on good civilian attorneys, and military attorneys pretty much just throw up their hands and beg for mercy after the article 32 hearing. He's lucky he could afford a lawyer who was willing to fight back against the brass.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
13. Why was a prosecutor allowed to turn defense attorney?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

The entire case makes no sense.

The truth is that if this had been enlisted it would have remained a state prosecution. Since he was an assigned B-2 pilot the base pressured county prosecutors into handing it over to them, even though our local prosecutor stated that case was a "slam dunk" and that it was an almost certain guilty plea. Once it made it to the base everything changed and even the local prosecutor has made comments about how it never should have been handed over.

There's something wrong here.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
14. "Why was a prosecutor allowed to turn defense attorney?"
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:36 PM
Nov 2013

Sorry, I don't understand the question. I read the story, but I must have missed that part. Are you talking about the prosecutors who became defense witnesses? Unfortunately, that became necessary when they did indeed, in a legal sense, become witnesses. She told them that she had destroyed evidence and lied about it. At that point, they have a legal and ethical obligation to give that information to the defense and recuse themselves.

If you think that military prosecutors intentionally tanked the case, I can promise you that did not happen. Prosecutors' careers advance based on convictions, and the convening authorities (commanders) are under pressure to refer all sexual assault allegations to courts martial. Trust me on this - no matter how high up the food chain the B-52s may be, the convening authority's career will take a hit because of the not guilty verdict. In all likelihood, so will the officers' on the court martial panel. The military system is heavily rigged in favor of a conviction, and the brass doesn't like it when not guilty verdicts come down. That's why, unlike a civilian jury, a court martial doesn't require a unanimous verdict for a conviction.

As for a local prosecutor calling this a slam dunk and thinking there would be a guilty plea, I just can't see it based on what I have read. Sounds like after-the-fact political posturing to me.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
25. Whatever you think you know about military justice
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:43 AM
Nov 2013

doesn't apply to rape. I can see you've avoided newspapers in the last year. You're entire argument is demonstrably false.

MamaBOV4

(1 post)
19. Only if it is a legitimate complaint
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:50 PM
Nov 2013

I mean, no matter what-Jason Boman, former B-2 pilot, will always be an accused rapist.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
20. Do you how few men in the military are convicted of rape
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:02 AM
Nov 2013

It's something like 1% of the accused, far less than in civil society. So yes, he is not guilty under the law, but the fact is many rapists get off scott-free in the military justice system. You clearly haven't followed the debate about rape in the military.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
21. This conversation has happened in a couple of threads now
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:11 AM
Nov 2013

with the same poster. According to the poster, even discussing this case is a form of cyber stalking.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
22. The ongoing theme today: Make women shut up about rape
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:32 AM
Nov 2013

Rape is a perfectly acceptable topic for porn, but not for women to talk about in public unless they 1) submit to rape porn for male arousal, or 2) insist that a man's "right" to get off watching women be raped and mutilated trumps any rights other women might think they have. If you talk about unfair sentencing, the prevalence or rape, or rape prevention campaigns, that's "misandrist." The most important thing is that men never be allowed to feel uncomfortable. Anything about us--our rights, our safety, our lives--is meaningless compared to men's feelings and wants.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
23. I've been so involved in my threads that I didn't realize that this was an ongoing theme today.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:40 AM
Nov 2013

I've had the same poster post in three threads about how talking about this, asking for people to draw attention to this case, is considered cyber stalking and that the victim basically deserves whatever happens after.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
27. No.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:46 AM
Nov 2013

I've noticed recently a really big problem with the alert system. I gave up on it.

The poster posted in three threads about the same thing to me, said they were done talking about it and then replied back when someone else replied.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
30. Military = rape culture gone wild
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:16 AM
Nov 2013

And people still wonder why I don't treat veterans like they can do no wrong.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
31. This guy was an Academy grad who played football and then flew the Stealth.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:24 AM
Nov 2013

AF had invested over a million dollars in his training. There was no way they were going to allow him to be convicted in a civilian courtroom.

If he had been an enlisted mechanic he would have been tried at the county courthouse and convicted.

Response to xmas74 (Original post)

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
37. He's posting in another thread that I started a week ago on the same case.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:34 AM
Nov 2013

He's digging way back for this.

I wonder if his name is Jason Boman?

Response to TBF (Reply #35)

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
39. Typical
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:38 AM
Nov 2013

that the only posts you are interested in seem to be defending a rapist.

So, what's your connection?

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