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This week in the UK, Judge Nigel Peters gave a suspended sentence to 41 year-old Neil Wilson after he pleaded guilty to making extreme pornographic images and one count of sexual activity with a 13 year-old girl. The judge explained his leniency as stemming from the fact that the girl was predatory and was egging you on. During the trial, the prosecution had declared the girl was sexually experienced and that She appeared to look around 14 or 15 and had the mental age of a 14 or 15 year old despite being younger than that. There was sexual activity but it was not of Mr. Wilsons doing, you might say it was forced upon him despite being older and stronger than her. Law enforcement also found a stash of images and videos depicting child abuse and bestiality in Wilsons home, but sure, the 13 year-old girl is the predator here.
http://www.alternet.org/judge-calls-13-year-old-girl-who-was-sexually-assaulted-41-year-old-predatory?page=0%2C0
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)himself? Well, that certainly clears it all up.
argh
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)out of control all over the 14-15 year old 13 year old.
Now I get it.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I think someone should find out.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)period.
This is a story that dates back to August 2013, do you know of an update on the case?
niyad
(113,302 posts)Paedophile whose victim was described as predatory has sentence increased
Judge who granted suspended sentence lengthens overall term by four months on technicality over indecent images charges
A convicted paedophile who escaped jail after his 13-year-old victim was described by a prosecutor as predatory has had his sentence increased because of a technicality.
Neil Wilson was given an eight-month suspended sentence after admitting he had engaged in sexual activity with the girl as well as separate counts of making indecent images at Snaresbrook crown court in east London last week.
News that the prosecutor Robert Colover had described the victim as predatory and sexually experienced caused outrage and led to his suspension from prosecuting sexual offence cases pending a review by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/12/paedophile-victim-predatory-sentence-increased
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)gender was perceived as so fuckin weak. totally amazing.
niyad
(113,302 posts)everywhere. this CHILD forced this ADULT to have sex???? this older, bigger, stronger ADULT had so little self-control, self-awareness, that the CHILD forced him to have sex??? I wonder if that f****** judge even has any idea how insulting that actually is to the man.
oh, that "blind justice" were not a television program.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orrex
(63,210 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Yes we did...
Montana Teacher Who Raped Student Free After 31-Day Sentence
The former teacher who admitted raping his 14-year-old student was released from a Montana prison today after serving 30 days of his 31-day sentence. Stacey Rambold received the lenient sentence last month, after a Montana judge said the victim was older than her chronological age and as much in control of the situation as Rambold.
Rambold raped Cherice Morales in 2008, when Morales was a student at Billings Senior High School in Billings, Montana. In 2010, while the case was pending, Morales committed suicide. Morale's mother would later say Rambold's assault was a major factor in her daughter's suicide.
http://gawker.com/teacher-gets-just-30-days-in-jail-for-raping-14-year-ol-1211602945/1404141794/@tcberman
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Honestly.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)assuming all of that is true - she looked older enticed him whatever, he is a grown man. give me a break.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and her behavior was shaped by that, and therefore it's OK to rape her again.
Sigh.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)her as trash, instead of a fuckin victim
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bluesbassman
(19,373 posts)I don't care how much a 13 yr old "knows" about what she's doing, a 41 year old has no justification there.
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bluesbassman
(19,373 posts)There is a reason why minors are not allowed to enter into legally binding contracts and the same applies to sex. That she had been abused before and "knew" what she was doing is irrelevent.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Stay out of the malls gents, apparently those 14-15 year olds make you lose your minds
mythology
(9,527 posts)much less around somebody who is that young.
What sort of dumbass judge thinks that the kid is at fault?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Get your fucking priorities right, UK!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)as the world will, be a much better place with more of it?
NickB79
(19,236 posts)Did you forget the or something?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)so if there's outrage, that must be what it's about.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)I was unaware of UK rape porn policy, or even that it existed.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)If you think porn=rape, you can't be helped.
Give women a little credit--if a man treated them as though they were that helpless, we'd get shouted down for that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you on about? you comment that it is being blocked has most of us thinking you are talking rape porn, since it is what is being blocked. now you are off on someone cause they assumed you knew what you were talking about.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)When you act as though all porn it's rape, you really damage your cause.
Nobody ever wins debate by calling their opponent a rapist from go.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out
you cant.
isnt it really fun to go around saying what ever the fuck you want with absolutely no responsibility to live in the sphere of even kinda a truth?
so... because a law that has not even passed yet, that does not cover what you accused it does matters not cause you have no proof that what you say will happen has happened or not.
fuck
another
the cow jumped over the moon accusation
and you can say that because somewhere in time, in this vast universe, somewhere, sometimes, someone may say a cow jumped over the moon
excellent way to have an argument.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)You and yours consistently use the phrase "rape porn" to describe a) any sexual content you disapprove of or b) any sexual content period.
It's dishonest, and not very smart if you truly want to influence attitudes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)each. and. every. time.
show me where i have stated " "rape porn" to describe a) any sexual content you disapprove of or b) any sexual content period. "
one. you are now the fourth poster that has made this accusation. i have put out my fourth challenge for ONE post that i have " "rape porn" to describe a) any sexual content you disapprove of or b) any sexual content period. "
one.
you will fail along with the other three that have failed
one.
i wait....
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)I failed to view your transparency page before engaging you. It tells me all I need to know.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)at backing up a really stupid accusation
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)try to comprehend the post
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)We are talking about porn where women are depicted as being beaten, mutilated, and murdered. In what conceivable notion is that non-predatory? Oh, I know. That judge's. The girl choose to be raped, she egged it on. The porn stars choose to be raped because it gets off misogynists (except when they are enslaved and have no choice). Those women in the porn flicks are asking for it, just like this child. One even insisted that 95% of women in real life are aroused by violence. So what have we got to complain about it? We're asking for it.
Moreover, the British law isn't in effect yet, and your efforts to use this child's assault to justify rape porn, and thereby the propagation of rape culture, is repulsive.
It has become crystal clear this week that too many men here feel entitled to get off on violence against women. In fact, many insist that violence against women only be discussed in relation to its arousal for men. Rape prevention PSAs that target rapists are "misandrist" and "harangue" men. Men bear no responsibility for rape; that falls to the victim, precisely as this judge asserts.
This sentence is the result of rape culture, of those who justify the eroticization of rape for their own titillation, who place responsibility on women for avoiding rape. This is the world made for and by rapists and rape pornographers.
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procon
(15,805 posts)The vanity of this pernicious conceit is still perpetuated by government and religion and it remains engrained in our society, but if we really were as powerful as these socially degenerate and predatory misanthropes fantasize us to be, they would all be trembling with fear instead of abusing us.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)tblue37
(65,342 posts)that women be *completely* covered, head to toe--the notion that it is women's fault that men cannot control their own sexual behavior.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)Women in general are pissed off.
UGH.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kansas, tx.... and on and on and on.
oh, canada.
and florida yesterday
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)do not even speak up and try. all this does, all across the nation, other countries, all it does is making it that much harder for a girl or woman to speak up about a rape. and then people actually condemn those girls and women that do not go to the police.
WinkyDink
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BainsBane
(53,032 posts)about rape porn. She wanted it. Girls are turned on by rape and violence. They provoke men. Rape is their responsibility, not the rapists. These are the messages communicated through rape porn and denunciations of rape preventions PSAs that target rapists rather than victims.
This folks is rape culture, the world the rapists and rape pornographers made.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)judge?
isnt it just fuckin humiliating that a fuckin 13 yr old fuckin GIRL has it all over a grown man and a JUDGE actually looks at the man and says you are so pathetically stupid and this GIRl is so much more all over you that hey... wtf.
omg
i would be so embarrassed if the world saw my gender as that fuckin weak.
oh, wait... they do. we are the fuckin weak ones and you men are all that in strong.
hmmmm
so fuckin disgustingly confused.
Orrex
(63,210 posts)That preyed-upon 41-year-old! What was the poor guy supposed to do?
niyad
(113,302 posts)Response to Orrex (Reply #37)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)off
my sincere apology. i do that periodically and have to check myself.
sorry
Orrex
(63,210 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)She was 13 but it was totally ok in part because she looked 14 or 15? What??????? Like the judge recognizes 13 as too young but if she'd been 14 she'd be fair game so thinking she was a year or two older makes this understandable?
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)She looked older than 14. How could a 41 year old man possibly resist her assault on him.
Judge Nigel Peters told Neil Wilson, 41, who pleaded guilty to the abuse, he had also taken account the fact the child looked older.
Wilson lured the teenager to his home in Romford, Essex, where he watched her strip out of her school uniform before she performed a sex act on him.
The abuse did not come to light until the girl confided in a friend who then told police.
The judge said in open court:
You knew she was not nearly 16 as she said and your plea of guilty recognises that you knew.
Allowing her to visit your home is something we have to clamp down on and in normal circumstances that would mean a significant term in prison.
On these facts, the girl was predatory and was egging you on.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384988/Paedophile-spared-jail-13-year-old-victim-looked-older-sexual-predator-egging-on.html#ixzz2lcKutwkQ
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In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)The prosecutor Robert Colover has been suspended from prosecuting sexual offence cases pending a review by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Judge Nigel Peters QC is also being investigated by the Office for Judicial Complaints.
Read more - http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/12/paedophile-victim-predatory-sentence-increased
Deep13
(39,154 posts)cui bono
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dawg
(10,624 posts)I have a long memory, and I know that some teenage girls can be *very* sexually aggressive. But a 41 year-old man has no excuse. None whatsoever.