Meet Sam, Rescued From Dogfighting

[baldguy]

The Humane Society rescues Sam, a fighting dog who spent most of his life either locked in a cage or thrown into a ring to kill or be killed. Despite the permanent damage to his face and years of abuse, Sam is a gentle, loving dog.

Who are the monsters here? Is it Sam & the people who rescued him?

Or is it the people who tortured & abused him, and the people that want to kill him?

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

1. Cool...I took a break,

my pies are in the oven and I came to see what was happening and found this post. My two dogs are sitting behind me, they were helping to make pies. Cool story. Dogs Rule! Although, I have three cats. Better check the pies.

[BainsBane]

2. What a great story

And a sweet dog.

[XemaSab]

3. How many other dogs has he killed?

[Orrex]

4. As many as we can blame on his former trainers

Not as many as chihuahuas and Pomeranians, I can tell you that for damn sure.

[BainsBane]

6. God, those little dogs are annoying

All the yapping and nipping.

[baldguy]

13. With no teeth?

You really have no clue about what the atrocity of dog fighting is all about, do you? Most of the animals rescued from these hellholes are used as bait to train the few fighters. And the fighters are only made to be aggressive through the administration of pain, torture & abuse by humans.

Yet you would lay the blame only on the animals, and let the monsters who created to situation off.

[LisaLynne]

16. +1

Some people really need to educate themselves about the reality of what goes on out there. Or if they don't care, fine, but then realize that you don't know and don't understand.

[Orrex]

18. Are we talking about the same dog?

Sam, a fighting dog who spent most of his life either locked in a cage or thrown into a ring to kill or be killed

Unless they handed ol' Sam a knife, I conclude that he had teeth for at least a good portion of his kill-or-be-killed career.

Yet you would lay the blame only on the animals, and let the monsters who created to situation off.

I've read the same threads that you've read, and no one in any of them has ever called for the dog-fight trainers to be "let off."

[magical thyme]

37. none. They filed/broke off all his teeth.

If you take the time to look at the video, you will see that his teeth have been filed down.

He clearly was a bait dog, forced to be attacked by other dogs over and over. His face has been horribly damaged.

I remember seeing news reports of that bust -- I recognize the cages and layout of the place. Thank dog they got those poor dogs out of that hell.

[Beringia]

5. Thanks for posting, what a great dog

[libdem4life]

7. Betting that's one Thankful Dog. Yeah!

[Flatulo]

8. Not one of my favorite breeds, but I do love dogs, and I know a few sweet Pits.

Over the last two years I've had the good fortune of having a chocolate Lab as my best friend. She is the sweetest, most loving pile of pudding you could imagine in a dog. When I'm in pain, she comes and squishes next to me and puts her paw in my hand and her head on my chest. She's is literally never more than a few inches from me, unless we're playing fetch.

Unless you've had a dog in your life, and one with whom you've enjoyed a strong relationship, you just can't know how much unconditional love these wonderful beasts will give back.

I think people who torture or harm dogs should themselves be put into a cage and forced to fight. Think Thunderdome.

And please, please, please - if you do ever take a dog into your life, use only positive reinforcement training techniques. No choke or pinch or shock collars, and no yelling or screaming or hitting. You'll have the best results with patience, repetition, and love.

[mynaturalrights]

9. poor thing

I would like to see the owner of those dogs chained to a tree for a few years.
Do you know what happened to the other dogs ?

I hope they were also placed in foster homes if it was possible.

[easychoice]

10. The Monsters among us don't have tails to wag.

Prison is too good for them.

[xchrom]

11. good on ya sam! nt

[OwnedByCats]

12. May his former "owners" rot in hell

If such a thing exists. Come to think, hell would be too good for these bastards.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. +1.

[renie408]

14. You never blame the dog

And it breaks my heart to think of the poor dogs who haven't been rescued. Why can't we stop this? And what the fuck is wrong with people?

[LisaLynne]

15. I don't know what's wrong with people ...

who would want to watch this, who would run these things, but I wish we could figure it out.

[baldguy]

22. We have people here - in this very thread - who do nothing *but* blame the dog.

You ask "Why can't we stop this?" & "What the fuck is wrong with people?" That's a big part of the reason why.

[flvegan]

24. It's all they have. n/t

[Orrex]

34. Who? Name these people that you're calling out.

Nowhere have I ever asserted that the trainer/owner of the vicious dog is innocent. If you accuse me otherwise, then you're either grossly and culpably mistaken, or a deliberate liar. Which is it?

Instead, I have asserted repeatedly that if a dangerous dog is dangerous, then certain elements of body type and temperament make some dogs more dangerous than others. This is supported by other people with long, direct, and personal experience with dogs and dog rescue, yet you dismiss it because it conflicts with your belief system.


Once again, you misstate my position, apparently because you can't actually refute the actual argument.

[baldguy]

36. Call-outs are not necessary when they self-identify.

Isn't there an old saying that goes something like "When your enemy is busy destroying himself don't try to help him along, just get out of his way"?

I'll just get out of your way.

[Orrex]

39. So I'm your enemy? You sure have a shitload of pent-up aggression.

Down, boy.

[baldguy]

40. Please, continue.

[Orrex]

41. Yeah, yeah.

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There are two basic times to employ that technique. The first is when your opponent is digging his own grave (which is how Obama used it), while the second is when you have nothing to say and you're hoping no one notices (which is how you're using it).

Your reply here reiterates my earlier point about your failure to understand basic logic, and certainly you don't demonstrate any impression that you can respond to questions or refute arguments. You're left with nothing but clumsy broadsides and stolen quotes from people more eloquent than you are.

At this point you'll likely respond with some goofy subject line retort, and you'll pat yourself on the back for what you think is cleverness.

[baldguy]

43. Sure, Mitt. Whatever you say.

[Orrex]

44. If you were anyone else on DU, I'd say you can do better than that

But in your case, you're operating at the top of your game, alas.

Your posting style is like a pit bull walking on its hind legs; you don't do it well, but one marvels that you're not simply licking your own junk or pissing on someone's leg.

[TorchTheWitch]

17. Another bait dog story with a happy ending - Oogy

Oogy was rescued from a dog fighting ring that was raided and where he had been just thrown in a cage to die for at least five days before the raid. I know a lot about this dog since it was my vet, Dr. Bianco of Ardmore Animal Hospital, that did many operations on him and saved his life. I think the police know to take the worst of the lot to Dr. B's office because he's such a softie and always wants to try to save an animal and if nothing can be done put them to sleep humanely.

The Levin family had gone into the vet clinic to put their cat to sleep when they met Oogy part way through his surgeries as he was being taken out to go to the bathroom, and the whole family instantly fell in love with him despite his appearance what with missing a good part of his head and decided to adopt him. Oogy also needed ligament surgeries on both back legs, and since recovery took a long time he couldn't climb stairs, so the two boys in the family always slept downstairs with him.

Dr. Bianco has never charged the Levins for any of his surgeries or even any of his regular check ups or regular shots, meds or anything and won't for the remainder of Oogy's life.

Oogy and the entire Levin family was on Oprah awhile ago, but there no longer seems to be a video of that segment that went more in depth about his horrendous injuries on YouTube anymore, but here's a more brief story on YouTube that mentions the book Mr. Levin wrote about Oogy and what an inspiration he is that he could be in the absolutely worst position imaginable and still come out on the other side filled with life and love.

Dr. Bianco, my saintly vet (as well as Dr. Peters since he's also saintly)...
http://ardmoreah.com/doctor/dr-james-bianco/

[baldguy]

19. The human intellectual process that creates dog fighting is the same as that which dreams up BSLs

as a solution: they both think of & treat dogs as disposable objects to be managed instead of as individuals to be nurtured.

[Orrex]

20. Bullshit, and you know it.

Your ridiculous false equivalency is every bit as foolish and wrong-headed as suggesting that the same human intellectual process that creates murderous shooting sprees is the same as that which dreams up assault weapon bans.

If you truly think that your silly comparison is valid, then you have no business lecturing anyone on human intellectual processes.

[baldguy]

21. My assertion is provided ample proof each time you blame millions of Pit Bulls everywhere

for the actions of a very, very few - the few which are abused, mistreated & tortured. And every time you refuse to acknowledge to real reasons that tragic incidents occur.

Again, you're trying to treat living creatures as objects - comparing dogs to guns. That's a failure of basic reason & logic.

[Orrex]

28. Ah, forgive me. I thought that you understood how analogies work.

My mistake. I shall explain:

You think that I am comparing dogs to guns, but I am not. Your failure to comprehend the actual analogy has led you to reply in a way that seems nonsensical. Since I presumed that you understood analogies, I had planned to respond by addressing your your nonsensical reply #21, but now I see that your misunderstanding is more fundamental than that.

In reply #19, you made this preposterous statement:

The human intellectual process that creates dog fighting is the same as that which dreams up BSLs.

Obviously that's a foolish claim, but you assert it without supporting it, and you expect people to take it as fact.

In reply #20, I identified the foolishness of your claim, and I posited another assertion to demonstrate:

the same human intellectual process that creates murderous shooting sprees is the same as that which dreams up assault weapon bans.

Obviously, that's likewise a foolish claim, but it was deliberately so, serving to illustrate the foolishness of yours.

Specifically, you identify one universally objectionable mode of thinking ("dog fighting is ok&quot , and you dubiously equate it to another mode that you personally find objectionable ("BSLs are ok&quot , in hope that a careless reader will accidentally mistake your assertion for a logical argument.


Put simply, I am not comparing dogs to guns at all, and only a careless reader would make that mistake. Instead, I am comparing a transparent and intentionally faulty logical construction to your equally transparent but unintentionally faulty logical construction.

In short, the "failure of basic reason & logic" is yours.

[baldguy]

29. I know how analogies work - yours doesn't.

[Orrex]

32. As you've demonstrated repeatedly, you're in no position to give instruction

You simply don't know how to argue in anything like a logical format. You have demonstrated this time and time again, not least by your incessant name-calling, by savagely attacking your opponents, by repeatedly misstating your opponents' positions, by issuing demands for clarification and citation while seldom if ever providing any of your own, and while holding your opponents to a standard with which you yourself can't or won't comply (specifically, demanding that they identify pit bulls with 100% certainty while never upholding that standard yourself).

I understand that this is frustrating for you to discuss a subject about which you obviously care very deeply, but that doesn't excuse your chest-thumping and temper tantrums.


Incidentally, if you're inclined to misidentify "chest-thumping and temper tantrums" as name-calling, I remind you that you frequently call your opponents crazy, lying, ignorant, racist, classist, murderous, genocidal bigots, so you lack credibility when you object to much less aggressive labeling.

Your theatrics impress no one, and (perhaps more damningly), they don't serve your cause. Instead, they call to mind the exact stereotype of the vicious and out-of-control pit bull that you claim to want to dispel.

[Scootaloo]

27. No, it's not bullshit

It's your comparison that is ludicrous, and here's why.

Dogfighter and breed-exterminators both see dogs as objects, unimportant things that can be used and killed, thrown in the trash without a second thought. They have no worth as living beings to dogfighters or breed-exterminators, their value is determined only by how much they can hurt something during an attack. No consideration is given to the notion that these animals are individual creatures, no thought to the reality that millions exist without ever sinking their teeth into anything more lively than alpo mush. The only valuation granted to dogs either by those who fight them or those who seek their eradication, is how much their fighting ability can be fetishized.

On the other hand, a gun actually is an object. It is not alive. It has no thoughts, it has no feelings, it has no capacity to ever be anything except a gun. it is a tool, a lump of cold metal that will always and forever be a lump of cold metal. You can put it in a closet for years and it will never die. it won't even be mildly uncomfortable.

For you to equate a dog with a gun, as you and so many other breed-exterminators do, really just proves baldguys' point that you are really no different from the people who fight dogs - they're just objects in your mind.

[Orrex]

30. Yeah, it's bullshit, and I'm not comparinig dogs to guns.

See reply #28.


It's easy to attack an argument when restated incorrectly, which is what you're doing.

I have no obligation to address your argument based on your claim that I am equating a dog with a gun.

[baldguy]

31. +1000

[MoonRiver]

23. Hi Sam!

Love you guy! Hoping you find your forever home soon. You sooooo deserve it.

[flvegan]

25. Have/had a couple of those.

Disfigured much the same. Some of the very best, sweetest dogs I've ever known.

Thanks for posting, and for always bringing light to the very truth about the breed and the ugliness that festers in folks that do horrible things to these dogs in action and in words.

Fuck them all.

[roody]

26. how sweet

[RebelOne]

33. My son rescued 7 pit bulls.

They were dogs that didn't want to fight. He lived in a totally redneck area of North Georgia. They were all on runs in the back of his house, and all the dogs had houses with straw inside to keep them warm in the cold weather. But he managed to find good homes for them all.

[Skip Intro]

35. Animal abusers weaken my opposition to the death penalty. n/t

[malokvale77]

38. He's beautiful