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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:02 AM Dec 2013

A lawyer requested a recess to attend a bris if a grandson was born. The judge had one caveat:

In November of 2010, upon realising that the forthcoming birth of his grandchild would probably occur midway through the mortgage-fraud trial on which he was working, Manhattan defence attorney Bennett Epstein wrote the following letter to the judge presiding over the case, Kimba Wood. The reason? To apply for a recess mid-trial so that, should said newborn be a boy, Epstein would be able to attend his grandson's circumcision ceremony (known as the bris.)

Judge Wood agreed to his request, but on one condition. Her handwritten response can be seen at the foot of the letter.

Transcript follows. For those wondering, a boy was born.


In November of 2010, upon realising that the forthcoming birth of his grandchild would probably occur midway through the mortgage-fraud trial on which he was working, Manhattan defence attorney Bennett Epstein wrote the following letter to the judge presiding over the case, Kimba Wood. The reason? To apply for a recess mid-trial so that, should said newborn be a boy, Epstein would be able to attend his grandson's circumcision ceremony (known as the bris.)

Judge Wood agreed to his request, but on one condition. Her handwritten response can be seen at the foot of the letter.

Transcript follows. For those wondering, a boy was born.

<snip>
Dear Judge Wood:

I represent Mark Barnett in the above matter, which is scheduled for trial beginning November 29th.

Please consider this letter as an application in limine for a brief recess in the middle of the trial on the grounds known (perhaps not now, but hereafter) as a "writ of possible simcha¹".

The facts are as follows: My beautiful daughter, Eva, married and with a doctorate no less, and her husband, Ira Greenberg (we like him, too) live in Philadelphia and are expecting their first child on December 3rd, tfu tfu tfu². They do not know whether it will be a boy or a girl, although from the oval shape of Eva's tummy, many of the friends and family are betting male (which I think is a mere bubbameiseh³ but secretly hope is true).

Should the child be a girl, not much will happen in the way of public celebration. Some may even be disappointed, but will do their best to conceal this by saying, "as long as it's a healthy baby". My wife will run to Philly immediately, but I will probably be able wait until the next weekend. There will be happiness, though muted, and this application will be mooted as well.

However, should the baby be a boy, then hoo hah!⁴ Hordes of friends and family will arrive from around the globe and descend on Philadelphia for the joyous celebration mandated by the halacha⁵ to take place during daylight hours on the eighth day, known as the bris⁶. The eighth day after December 3rd could be right in the middle of the trial. My presence at the bris is not strictly commanded, although my absence will never be forgotten by those that matter.

So please consider this an application for maybe, tfu tfu tfu, a day off during the trial, if the foregoing occurs on a weekday. I will let the Court (and the rest of the world) know as soon as I do, and promise to bring pictures.

Very truly yours,

(Signed)

Bennett M. Epstein
<snip>

Judge Wood's handwritten response:

Mr. Epstein will be permitted to attend the bris, in the joyous event that a son is born. But the Court would like to balance the scales. If a daughter is born, there will be a public celebration in Court, with readings from poetry celebrating girls and women.

11-18-10
SO ORDERED, N.Y., N.Y.
(Signed)
KIMBA M. WOOD
U.S.D.J.
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/03/court-would-like-to-balance-scales.html

Ha!

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A lawyer requested a recess to attend a bris if a grandson was born. The judge had one caveat: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 OP
Good one! peace13 Dec 2013 #1
Good Judge! k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #2
The judge in this case was Kimba Wood, who was very nearly our US Attorney General Tanuki Dec 2013 #3
Let me guess. He wanted a tip? nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #4
There IS a Jewish baby naming ceremony for girls! My 3 granddaughters all had one. CTyankee Dec 2013 #5
Congrats to you and and ALL of yours. pangaia Dec 2013 #14
My stepdaughter has a darling baby boy but I also hope for a girl in her future, too! CTyankee Dec 2013 #42
Why do I always believe girls are less problems than boys? pangaia Dec 2013 #43
I hope for a wonderful result for all! CTyankee Dec 2013 #44
As do I. pangaia Dec 2013 #45
my niece was more of a handful than my nephew was dlwickham Dec 2013 #48
I know. But you end up with a beautiful nephew AND niece! So it works out! CTyankee Dec 2013 #49
they're mildly attractive dlwickham Dec 2013 #57
its all beautiful. MAZEL TOV! I hug your rabbi step daughter. What a great thing, no? :D roguevalley Dec 2013 #34
It is. Her ordination last June was beautiful and now she has a congregation all her own in CTyankee Dec 2013 #41
Oh that is good to hear. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #56
Another power tripping judge. AngryAmish Dec 2013 #6
Aw, c'mon AngryAmish! Don't get all bent! CTyankee Dec 2013 #7
You don't have to deal with these people AngryAmish Dec 2013 #9
Judge Wood is not a nutter Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #12
hugs anyway, amish, I am tripping on rose anne rosannadanna roguevalley Dec 2013 #35
I believe she was the #2 choice for Attorney General for Clinton NewJeffCT Dec 2013 #40
?! A power tripping judge would deny the request on the grounds that it is sexist. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #8
If it had been perceived as 'power-tripping', Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #10
How about the sexist pig attorney? I thought Judge Wood responded cali Dec 2013 #11
Sexist pig attorney? oberliner Dec 2013 #28
Judge Wood is one kick ass jurist. I adore her. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #15
Kimba Wood is a good judge - TBF Dec 2013 #19
The thing was I misread it.... AngryAmish Dec 2013 #20
But the attorney wasn't asking for any time off if it was a girl. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #21
Thank you. kag Dec 2013 #26
I think all that about being disappointed was tongue-in-cheek. nt. Hosnon Dec 2013 #27
Can't disagree with your assessment at all - TBF Dec 2013 #29
That's not called for. Judge has absolute authority to manage her court and was gracious. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #31
+1 harun Dec 2013 #38
I absolutely love this! Go Judge Wood Mira Dec 2013 #13
Thanks Judge Wood malaise Dec 2013 #16
K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #17
I needed to go see the footnotes hootinholler Dec 2013 #18
way to go judge riversedge Dec 2013 #22
so ordered! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #23
How stupid is that attorney? spooky3 Dec 2013 #24
So if a boy is born it's cool to watch part of his wacker get wacked off snooper2 Dec 2013 #25
This made me smile Gothmog Dec 2013 #30
Well done... JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #32
I've seen this before, and I stand by my initial reaction rocktivity Dec 2013 #33
I hope his new granddaughter never happens to read that. nt Snotcicles Dec 2013 #36
Gotta love it! nt valerief Dec 2013 #37
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #39
Sorta off topic, but Kimba Wood should jaysunb Dec 2013 #46
I love the judge's response!!! Absolutely love it! nt Cass Dec 2013 #47
Cheers for daughters & sons! RT Atlanta Dec 2013 #50
"promise to bring pictures" MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #51
Excellent! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #52
Kimba Wood!!! NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #53
LOL! Mazel tov! Hekate Dec 2013 #54
THAT CAT GOT EATEN BY A BEAN BAG MONSTER! Hissyspit Dec 2013 #55

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
3. The judge in this case was Kimba Wood, who was very nearly our US Attorney General
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:20 AM
Dec 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_Wood
"In the Nannygate matter of 1993, Wood was Bill Clinton's second unsuccessful choice for United States Attorney General.[8] Like Clinton's previous nominee, Zoë Baird, Wood had hired an illegal alien as a nanny; although, unlike Baird, she had paid the required taxes on the employee and had broken no laws. Wood employed the undocumented immigrant at a time when it was legal to do so, before enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 made hiring of undocumented workers unlawful.[9] The threat of a repetition of the same controversy quickly led to a withdrawal of Wood from consideration. Janet Reno was later nominated and confirmed for the post."

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
5. There IS a Jewish baby naming ceremony for girls! My 3 granddaughters all had one.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:21 AM
Dec 2013

There was a female rabbi officiating at the first one and an aunt carried the baby in for the ritual such as it was.

Now I have a stepdaughter who is a rabbi and I'm certain she will be officiating at many future baby namings for little girl babies. What a joyful time!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
43. Why do I always believe girls are less problems than boys?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:55 PM
Dec 2013

Maybe because I was once a boy and no full well what parents have to deal with. :&gt ))

Now on Medicare, I STILL am a problem...

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
41. It is. Her ordination last June was beautiful and now she has a congregation all her own in
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:48 PM
Dec 2013

Prescott, AZ.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
56. Oh that is good to hear.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:18 AM
Dec 2013

I was under the sad impression for a moment that all Jewish people react such as this guy. I'm very happy to know that he is just one case and that it is not a regular practice. And now that I am writing this I remember that some Jewish families also have a Bat Mitzvah for their daughters too.

Congratulations on your granddaughters!

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. Another power tripping judge.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:21 AM
Dec 2013

If I were that lawyer I would ask for a change (unless she is a good judge for the case).

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
7. Aw, c'mon AngryAmish! Don't get all bent!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:23 AM
Dec 2013

I think what Kimba Wood did was terrific...IIRC, wasn't she the judge that Clinton wanted to appoint to the Supreme Court but somehow the Republicans put the kibosh on her...

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
9. You don't have to deal with these people
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:29 AM
Dec 2013

I do. Never underestimate the self-regard and appeal of power that resides in a judge. And federal judges are about twenty times worse then state judges.



on edit: I misread her order. I thought she was ordering the newborn girl downtown. Nevermind, as they say.

(to be clear, the whole religious thing is wacky but we still live in a freeish country we hope)

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
12. Judge Wood is not a nutter
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:35 AM
Dec 2013

as you so delightfully describe her. She is a very respected member of the bench.

This was intended as a friendly gesture. If she intended to be the hard ass that you seem to think she was, she would have had the order formally included in her response and not handwritten at the bottom.

There are judges who take things too far. Judge Wood had no record of being high-handed before or after this event.

Perspective anyone?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
40. I believe she was the #2 choice for Attorney General for Clinton
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:41 PM
Dec 2013

First, there was Zoe Baird, who was derailed by nanny-gate. Though she had broken no laws like Baird, Wood was also derailed by a similar nanny-gate issue, and also the additional controversy that she had worked briefly at the playboy club back when they had those things in the 60s.

Finally, Clinton picked Janet Reno, and the rest was history.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
10. If it had been perceived as 'power-tripping',
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:29 AM
Dec 2013

I think the lawyer would have requested a change.
It apparently was taken in the good spirit in which it was intended.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. How about the sexist pig attorney? I thought Judge Wood responded
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:33 AM
Dec 2013

kindly and with gentle humor.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Sexist pig attorney?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:39 PM
Dec 2013

"Look, the Orthodox Jewish religion is sexist. It just is. But I didn't make the rules!"

TBF

(32,056 posts)
19. Kimba Wood is a good judge -
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Dec 2013

I doubt you'd want to change. But her note was a little silly I agree. She probably doesn't know that there is a naming ceremony for Jewish girls as well.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
21. But the attorney wasn't asking for any time off if it was a girl.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:06 PM
Dec 2013

In fact, he admitted that he'd be disappointed, but would try to hide it. He openly expressed a clear preference for a grandson over a granddaughter. So, given that the judge is a woman, I think his request was over the top and quite sexist. He's lucky she didn't tear him a new one.

If I'm not mistaken, I think male orthodox Jews thank god every day that they weren't born a woman. Which just goes to show that sexism/misogyny is a bit hit in all three Abrahamic religions. A hat trick!

kag

(4,079 posts)
26. Thank you.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:20 PM
Dec 2013

You said what I wanted to, so now I don't have to. I wish I could rec replies.

It takes a special kind of asshole to admit that he will be disappointed if the child of his child is born without the "appropriate" plumbing.

Perhaps if these idiots would treat the women in their communities with the respect they deserve, they wouldn't be so disappointed by half of all births.

TBF

(32,056 posts)
29. Can't disagree with your assessment at all -
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:39 PM
Dec 2013

and that is probably why Kimba included the part about reading poetry if it was a girl. She likely thought he was a knucklehead as well. I'm familiar with that judge and she's very sharp.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
31. That's not called for. Judge has absolute authority to manage her court and was gracious.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:45 PM
Dec 2013

She gets to make the rules.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. so ordered!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:11 PM
Dec 2013

I like this Judge Wood!

She did a mitzvah* with that handwritten note.

*Yiddish and Hebrew--the blessing of a good deed.

spooky3

(34,442 posts)
24. How stupid is that attorney?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:12 PM
Dec 2013

Does he also ask for favors from judges who are persons of color by making sure they realize he considers them second class in status?

Her response was perfect.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. So if a boy is born it's cool to watch part of his wacker get wacked off
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

But if it's a girl..


PARTY TIME!

! !






rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
33. I've seen this before, and I stand by my initial reaction
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:17 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)

-- it was written, and responded to, with a lighthearted tongue-in-cheek undercurrent from both parties.


rocktivity

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
46. Sorta off topic, but Kimba Wood should
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:56 PM
Dec 2013

be enjoying her 15th year on the SCOTUS after a good run as Clintons AG. A loss for all America......

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
51. "promise to bring pictures"
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:29 PM
Dec 2013

Oy gevalt!

A relative of mine did send us a videotape of their son's bris. No closeups, thank Adoshem. We didn't know what was on the tape, we see people dressed nicely, then the Mohel starts talking, then we realized that this was not going to be a cute baby tape.

I have a very, very strange family, of course. Lovable, but nuts.

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