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I love this man (Original Post) madokie Dec 2013 OP
Watched it. Particularly loved his takedown of "unfettered markets" to solve the Skidmore Dec 2013 #1
A little "Bromance" here too. russspeakeasy Dec 2013 #2
Mostly an act. marsis Dec 2013 #5
... Whisp Dec 2013 #7
It's a curious phenomenon, the ways various people see him, Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #9
Righto marsis Dec 2013 #10
in my point of view, a lot has changed. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #12
Yup marsis Dec 2013 #14
as I said, focus on solutions. Life is made of moments. The more of them that feel good, the better. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #19
This is how I feel too. I knew he wasn't a Abbie Hoffman revolutionist when I voted for him and The Wielding Truth Dec 2013 #15
Sure we all understood that. marsis Dec 2013 #16
I agree 100% - thank you for your post and insight. namaste2 Dec 2013 #18
You sound like a Chicago Republican. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #23
I love him but onlly some of him riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #3
And the TPP is still in the works. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #4
Yes - it doesn't add up. He says the right things, then does other things. polichick Dec 2013 #17
Hope it shows up on youtube soon. freshwest Dec 2013 #6
It will. Bloomberg has it already.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #8
Yep that was great malaise Dec 2013 #11
the President is doing the best he can mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #13
Love him back, too, madokie~ Cha Dec 2013 #20
He's a good man madokie Dec 2013 #21
I wholeheartedly agree, madokie! Grateful I'm alive Cha Dec 2013 #22

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
1. Watched it. Particularly loved his takedown of "unfettered markets" to solve the
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:22 PM
Dec 2013

nation's problems.

I also loved him calling out Congress and demanding that they explain what they are for because the American people deserve to know that.

 

marsis

(301 posts)
5. Mostly an act.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

Like most Chicago Democrats (look up Illinois budget/pension problem/solution) he is a corporatist.
Simple but he's the best we've got. Shudder.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
9. It's a curious phenomenon, the ways various people see him,
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:47 PM
Dec 2013

as if they knew him, or knew more than their
own small point of view.

I don't see a corporatist, I see a man of integrity who
is doing his best, working way harder than probably
nearly anybody else on the planet, to do the right thing
for the people of this country and the world as well.

He is not stupid enough to be blind to the damages
being done by corporations, cheaters and deceivers,
fearmongerers, warmongerers, godmongerers. As
far as I can tell he has always been a man of heart
and conscience, great intelligence and courage.
That's how he was raised and who he became.

I have never had particular expectations of what
he's able/willing to do as president, and for that I am
glad. I continue to see a man of vision who is
having a big impact on history. He is navigating
brilliantly, in my opinion, through a delicate maze
of obstructionist spiderwebs and previous administrations'
devastation. When he became president it was like a
war zone, and continues to be. Not only had Bush
wrecked everything, but there were enemies and
spies everywhere, the media propaganda machine
was all set to roll, the money was all in place, the
supreme court was in the pocket, and wall street
was flying high with liars and thieves at the top.

Look what has happened anyway. Don't be
cynical, it helps nobody. Focus on solutions.

 

marsis

(301 posts)
10. Righto
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:00 PM
Dec 2013

"Not only had Bush
wrecked everything, but there were enemies and
spies everywhere, the media propaganda machine
was all set to roll, the money was all in place, the
supreme court was in the pocket, and wall street
was flying high with liars and thieves at the top."

SO after the bailout for Bush's failures, what has changed except for actively going after pot smokers more often than Bush did?

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
12. in my point of view, a lot has changed.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:46 PM
Dec 2013

A year ago Rachel Maddow had a segment
which may answer your question, at least
in regards to his first term, if you earnestly
want to know.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/49703896#49703896

 

marsis

(301 posts)
14. Yup
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:10 PM
Dec 2013

we see things differently. I saw that when it was originally broadcast and several times since and usually go into a funk thinking people fall for this. Or maybe I just think differently or am too progressive for the main stream Democrats.

Mostly, those bills were all that were left after those "controlled" entities were allowed to insert/re-write their own versions. If you really look at all that the legislation you'll see that VERY little changed or there were amendments that allowed those same entities to skirt the new laws. All the big boys got their way, what we got were watered down versions of good ideas. Look at healthcare, just a typical example, what was proposed and what he acquiesced to created this mess we have today. Credit card companies, come on. Hate crimes, grey area, Trayvon Martin. Stand your ground. Etc etc,
But the perceptions do make for a feel good moments.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
19. as I said, focus on solutions. Life is made of moments. The more of them that feel good, the better.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

THAT last bit is up to each of us. Not Obama's job.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
15. This is how I feel too. I knew he wasn't a Abbie Hoffman revolutionist when I voted for him and
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:12 PM
Dec 2013

I campaigned for him as a centrist who was so much better for this country than McCain or Romney or anyone on the right.

 

marsis

(301 posts)
16. Sure we all understood that.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:23 PM
Dec 2013

That's a no-brainer, but I didn't expect a right of center President with strong corporatist leanings.

Living in Illinois has jaded me, what "our" Democrats appear to be and what the reality is are quite different things.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
3. I love him but onlly some of him
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:14 PM
Dec 2013

he did have FATCA as a law.

It is a stupid law and a harmful law.

It hurts the USA

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
4. And the TPP is still in the works.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:15 PM
Dec 2013

Which is why I can't take the minimum wage speeches all that seriously.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
17. Yes - it doesn't add up. He says the right things, then does other things.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:24 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2013, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
13. the President is doing the best he can
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

with what he got. He is an elected official that must follow rules and procedures. If he could change things with just his signature or say so, he would. But you have a tricked out Congress that just don't get that Americans have just about had it with them. Maybe they will understand when poll numbers are -5 (minus five). with poll numbers as low as they really are I think Democratic members shouldn't get too comfy.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
21. He's a good man
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:45 AM
Dec 2013

doing a good job in spite of everything the pukes has thrown his way. If a person pays attention to what he says and how he says it its pretty obvious that he's on our side.
I realized way back there when I was lied into a war that if I knew what was good for me I'd better pay attention to politicians, that they do matter. That realization has served me well over the years.

In my 65 years we've not had a President who works harder for us than President Obama.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
22. I wholeheartedly agree, madokie! Grateful I'm alive
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:51 AM
Dec 2013

in his time in Office. It's been an historical ride and it ain't over yet!

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