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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:29 PM Dec 2013

Next, say goodbye to the waiters and waitresses

The internet, workforce mechanization and deskilling have already decimated America's manufacturing jobs. Soon those forces will be coming for the white collar jobs as well. Also, package delivery people. Cab drivers and car salesmen, too.

But service sector jobs should be OK, right? You still need people to serve other people, right?

About that:

Score one for the machines. On Tuesday, Applebee’s announced plans to install a tablet at every table in its 1,860 restaurants across the United States. Customers will be able to use the devices to order food, pay the bill, and ignore their dining companions by playing video games.

...

It mustn't be understated what is at stake here. There's a reason the big money boys want to cut "entitlements" so much. Under the current social and economic order, in 20 years or so there really won't be enough tax revenue from jobs to support the welfare state we have. And the welfare state we have won't be half as big as will be needed to take on the social need when the natural unemployment rate is 20%.

The big money boys can see where all of this is headed: either the developed world's middle classes start learning to live with a lot less, or their tax rates are going back up to Eisenhower levels. Or there will be a revolution and dramatic re-ordering of the social and economic contract.

The next few decades are going to be a very interesting time, particularly with climate change thrown into the mix. It's going to entail a dramatic battle of ideas between two very different solutions to a vexing problem complex human societies have never really faced before. In that battle, the neoliberal "New Democrats" aren't all that different from the hardcore conservatives. When you have 25% real unemployment/underemployment and massive climate disruption, all of a sudden a bunch of other issues that separate the corporate New Dems from the Bible-thumping Republicans start to become trivial by comparison.

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Next, say goodbye to the waiters and waitresses (Original Post) phantom power Dec 2013 OP
And the food will be delivered to your table by drones. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2013 #1
Is the tablet going to bring them their food, B2G Dec 2013 #2
That will be done by Olga, the refugee, who will work the entire floor Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #8
The tablet will notify you Lindsay Dec 2013 #10
Never work in fine dining establishments nt B2G Dec 2013 #17
Exactly customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #64
There it is! Actually, I think they cook more of the food at McDonald's.... MADem Dec 2013 #74
its kind off just like the micky dees drive through, might make less errors as well loli phabay Dec 2013 #97
You need to get out more .. Applebee's is not fine dining by any stretch. YOHABLO Dec 2013 #83
I hardly said it was B2G Dec 2013 #89
That's exactly what I was thinking. City Lights Dec 2013 #43
I first read tazed as taxed matt819 Dec 2013 #65
Cooking can also be automated jsr Dec 2013 #3
Well now, JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #4
Sweet Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #5
Still waiting for the... TDale313 Dec 2013 #106
About the only thing in that cartoon that has actually materialized is Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #114
Uno's Pizzeria already has that. It hasn't affected the number of waiters at all and FSogol Dec 2013 #6
And they've had it for a few years now. Blue_Adept Dec 2013 #20
I like that idea, actually. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #7
Not quite, the food needs to be delivered to the table Fumesucker Dec 2013 #18
Not necessarily. xmas74 Dec 2013 #80
My kids love that restaurant. We always stop there when in KC. joeglow3 Dec 2013 #92
We'll probably go in the next couple of weeks. xmas74 Dec 2013 #110
I've been to Fritz -- the train "delivery" is more of a gimmick OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #102
But all minimum wage. xmas74 Dec 2013 #109
mea culpa- I use a hand scanner when shop[ping so hollysmom Dec 2013 #9
A side benefit would be the disappearance of the receipt hoaxes nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2013 #11
lol, it would kill that market for sure. loli phabay Dec 2013 #14
... Glassunion Dec 2013 #104
i cant wait for the day when they install replicators, you can order food as you want it. loli phabay Dec 2013 #12
Not a replicator, but 3D food printers are apparently coming pediatricmedic Dec 2013 #76
It might work for a little while. HappyMe Dec 2013 #13
it's not the tablet that's the problem. unblock Dec 2013 #15
A tablet can probably do that bit better than a waiter can, truth be told. Xithras Dec 2013 #23
yeah, but a human is more likely to clue you in as to which fish is freshest ;) unblock Dec 2013 #25
yeah that would be one thats actually the oldest that they want rid off. loli phabay Dec 2013 #28
well, that's the difference between good waitstaff and bad waitstaff! unblock Dec 2013 #34
More like the difference between waitstaff who want to keep their job and waitstaff who don't Fumesucker Dec 2013 #40
our experience is that managers/owners are fine with keeping regular customers happy. unblock Dec 2013 #45
At Applebees? Unlikely. Xithras Dec 2013 #99
"..para espanol, marke ocho..." SoCalDem Dec 2013 #38
In a way yes, but you could get a lot more tailored with it. Xithras Dec 2013 #100
And if the tablet is designed to recognize you, tailored pricing is another option. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #79
no carts mockmonkey Dec 2013 #35
This will work... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2013 #16
In for the win. :-) B2G Dec 2013 #19
Unless they pipi_k Dec 2013 #36
the potential dining experience is sounding better all the time... magical thyme Dec 2013 #42
Prices that change depending on what you've ordered before JVS Dec 2013 #44
probably built in to the tables, not easily removed without obvious equipment unblock Dec 2013 #37
flashback.... SoCalDem Dec 2013 #41
;)))) unblock Dec 2013 #46
They had this in Apple Bee's in Fargo ND a few years ago. This is nothing new. RC Dec 2013 #54
They are cabled to the table OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #103
There's knucklehead born every minute... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2013 #108
I think the latest trend out here in CA is going to hurt more.... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #21
Jon Taffer would never allow that. Blue_Adept Dec 2013 #24
No they won't....... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #33
This is hardly new. ieoeja Dec 2013 #84
A dream of mine zipplewrath Dec 2013 #85
At least machines don't throw their shit or jerk off in front of the customers K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #22
The hell you say Major Nikon Dec 2013 #26
One of the nice things about eating out is admiring closeupready Dec 2013 #27
Holograms The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #30
LOL, yeah, probably. closeupready Dec 2013 #32
now thats a winner, i would like my waitress to be audrey hepburn please. loli phabay Dec 2013 #39
one reason you go out to eat to check out the servers? LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #62
That's Hooters' entire business model KamaAina Dec 2013 #68
right, and have you seen the people that go in there? LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #72
I most certainly have not. KamaAina Dec 2013 #75
I see them walk in all the time as I pass right on by. I don't need tits in my face while I eat LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #77
Is that 'weird', really? LOL Probably. closeupready Dec 2013 #71
yeah it is. that's good then! LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #73
Well, if you live in NYC or LA, many of the wait staff are aspiring actors/actresses. stevenleser Dec 2013 #112
So lets stare at them? LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #113
The only person that said "stare" is you. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #117
ok, so lets go out and drool or gawk at good looking people. LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #118
Weird. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #82
Did you ever watch the ITV production of Pocketful of Rye, closeupready Dec 2013 #91
I've been to a few places that had this Johonny Dec 2013 #29
That'll make it stop? The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #31
I imagine it will further seperate places Johonny Dec 2013 #61
Are they trying to re-invent the Automat? Retrograde Dec 2013 #47
I think it's called a vending machine (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2013 #49
not quite the same.. SoCalDem Dec 2013 #51
I know what an automat was... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2013 #57
When I was a child, my mother would take me to RebelOne Dec 2013 #94
For some reason, the Dutch still love those places. cemaphonic Dec 2013 #98
De Lekkerste! eridani Dec 2013 #115
How many people miss the days when they couldn't pay for gas with a credit card at the pump? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #48
Just one more reason I don't eat at corporate garbage restaurants. we can do it Dec 2013 #50
It's a tragedy. bluedigger Dec 2013 #52
One more good reason not to eat at Applebees, if I needed one. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #53
Say hello to the Waitron5000 Blue Owl Dec 2013 #55
This is a good thing - we need to keep pushing forward towards automation. Dash87 Dec 2013 #56
I agree 100%!!! LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #63
And the consumer wins by not having tip. CFLDem Dec 2013 #66
That would be horrific for our society liskddksil Dec 2013 #67
Whats horrific is, we have off shored our value add jobs. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #90
Get rid of cars...they put horse & buggy drivers out of work. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #105
Why would it stop there? The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #70
Because those things would be nonsensical and pointless. Dash87 Dec 2013 #78
I disagree liskddksil Dec 2013 #87
If you say so The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #93
OK let's start with your job. I'm sure it will benefit society in the long term. Technology is not Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2013 #88
Problem is automation is failing to produce jobs faster than it eliminates them. jeff47 Dec 2013 #95
At some point, it became about technological progress The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #96
discussion winner ^^ phantom power Dec 2013 #116
Makes sense BainsBane Dec 2013 #58
Brings a whole new meaning to "I went home with the waitress, the way I always do".. Fumesucker Dec 2013 #59
great idea!!! LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #60
my local Applebees have had those tablets for a year or more paulkienitz Dec 2013 #69
my niece worked for these scumbags madrchsod Dec 2013 #81
We have a restaurant here that's done this for 20 years.... cbdo2007 Dec 2013 #86
Chilis has had these tablets in some places for over a year now. OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #101
Nothing like good old-fashioned overreaction. Glassunion Dec 2013 #107
Is this all because of that waitress they had to fire for embarrassing them??? indie9197 Dec 2013 #111
 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
2. Is the tablet going to bring them their food,
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:31 PM
Dec 2013

enquire about its quality, clear their plates and refill their drinks?

Will never happen.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
8. That will be done by Olga, the refugee, who will work the entire floor
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:37 PM
Dec 2013

for 12 hours shifts with no overtime & no benefits.

It not only can happen, it absolutely will happen. Did you miss this part?

There's a reason the big money boys want to cut "entitlements" so much. Under the current social and economic order, in 20 years or so there really won't be enough tax revenue from jobs to support the welfare state we have. And the welfare state we have won't be half as big as will be needed to take on the social need when the natural unemployment rate is 20%.

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
10. The tablet will notify you
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:42 PM
Dec 2013

when the food is ready for you to pick up from a service counter. You clear your own table. And if you don't clear the table, you'll be tazed as you try to leave the premises.

I am only kinda joking.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
64. Exactly
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:21 PM
Dec 2013

This is a chain that is only one step above McDonalds in quality. Maybe they're fine with being only a half-step ahead of them.

Screw chains, go to mom-and-pop restaurants where you'll always be treated well when you become a regular. With me, that's often been as early as my second visit, because I usually engage the waitstaff and owner (if on premises) with conversation the first time out. The Applebee's server doesn't have time for that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
74. There it is! Actually, I think they cook more of the food at McDonald's....
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
Dec 2013

I think a lot of the stuff at Crapplebee's is premade and nuked.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
97. its kind off just like the micky dees drive through, might make less errors as well
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:04 PM
Dec 2013

Nothing worse than talking to someone taking your order through the speaker, they invariably get it wrong.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
83. You need to get out more .. Applebee's is not fine dining by any stretch.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:03 PM
Dec 2013

And I just have to say, that type of self serve system wouldn't work for Hooters ... it's the Hooters they come to ''enjoy'' not the food.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
89. I hardly said it was
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:23 PM
Dec 2013

I am acquainted with the fine dining experience and Applebees ain't it.

I said it wouldn't work for fine dining, not that it might not suffice at Applebees.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
43. That's exactly what I was thinking.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:25 PM
Dec 2013

Except for the part about being tazed. You're probably not far off, though!

matt819

(10,749 posts)
65. I first read tazed as taxed
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:24 PM
Dec 2013

The sensor will note that you didn't detour to the dish drop off and charge you additional as you exit.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
106. Still waiting for the...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:57 PM
Dec 2013

Three hour day, three day a week jobs that provide a decent standard of living. Also the flying cars.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
6. Uno's Pizzeria already has that. It hasn't affected the number of waiters at all and
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:33 PM
Dec 2013

probably helps up sale deserts, expensive drinks, etc. To read some culture changing, world destroying agenda into using a modern method to sell things seems odd.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
20. And they've had it for a few years now.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dec 2013

So there's definitely some numbers and trends to work with.

It's something that some people will gravitate towards using more than others when at the table. The kids were all over it, I was curious by my mother had zero interest in it.

This is another technology-panic moment for a lot of things.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
7. I like that idea, actually.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:33 PM
Dec 2013

Somebody still needs to deliver the food to the table. I'm sure the author of this opinion piece thought about that.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. Not quite, the food needs to be delivered to the table
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:47 PM
Dec 2013

Consider that self-driving cars already exist, driving a car is a more complicated and far more critical task than delivering food to a table.

I grew up thinking of Star Trek flip communicators as Science Fiction, now I have something that looks a lot like it but also does video and a lot of other functions besides just talking to people in my junk drawer because it's obsolete.





xmas74

(29,674 posts)
80. Not necessarily.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dec 2013

My daughter and I eat at a place in Crown Center (KC) and weight staff isn't needed for food delivery. Instead, they use model trains.

http://www.fritzskc.com/ It's always packed and the food, while greasy, isn't too bad as a once-in-a-while treat.

Honestly, Applesbees could come up with any number of delivery methods in this manner.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
110. We'll probably go in the next couple of weeks.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

We usually head up to Crown Center this time of year, just for the decorations. I know the kid will want to stop and eat.

It's not bad but man it can be greasy, especially the chili.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
102. I've been to Fritz -- the train "delivery" is more of a gimmick
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:49 PM
Dec 2013

Servers still come to see if the food is acceptable, refill drinks, etc.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
9. mea culpa- I use a hand scanner when shop[ping so
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:39 PM
Dec 2013

I can check out quickly at the self check out in stores. it is nice to have something keep a running total for me and to tell me the price of things where there is no label. Plus I get to pack my self as I go along and no bread on the bottom of the bag.

We will still need beauticians and designers. I have to admit, the idea of having your body scanned into a machine and then having clothes made to order is tempting as well.

Look at it this way, they will still need people to chase down the dine and dash people. Or to fix wrong orders. and to return food under microwaved to the kitchen.

I already don't go to those restaurants, I tend to go to the family owned/run restaurants in my neighborhood. The food is better. I am lucky to live in an area with a lot of good chefs. Although I do go to one sushi buffet restaurants, but you can watch all the sushi being hand made, so that should make up for serving myself.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
104. ...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:54 PM
Dec 2013

I'm sorry but I cannot tip because I don't agree with your non-lifestyle and how you don't live life.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
13. It might work for a little while.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:43 PM
Dec 2013

People will drop them and beverages get dumped on them. Replacing them will cost a bundle and it seems like another avenue for identity theft.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
15. it's not the tablet that's the problem.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:44 PM
Dec 2013

the order-taking part of waitstaff's duties is not the biggest but is the most error-prone.

people probably would still want someone to make a recommendation or explain the dish.

plus, you need someone to bring the food, check up on the table, etc.


the real displacement would happen when they start using robot carts to deliver food to the table and so on.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
23. A tablet can probably do that bit better than a waiter can, truth be told.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:52 PM
Dec 2013

If implemented properly, a tablet based ordering system would have reviews, video, ingredients, and all sorts of other things to help you make up your mind. The sorting algorithm to make recommendations would be pretty simple to write too "Are you in the mood for a meat dish or a pasta dish?" "Meat? great! Any particular kind?" "Chicken? Good choice! We have a couple of great italian dishes and a chophouse style dish. Do you think you'd be interested in either of those?" "Italian? And you want to spend less than $15 on your plate? I'd recommend the Chicken Primavera, it comes with...."

I write computer software all day long. In the grand scheme of things, this would be a trivial application, and it would probably provide better information than most servers could. If it's tied into some sort of identity system, you could even use it to record a customers preferences to make even better recommendations next time.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
34. well, that's the difference between good waitstaff and bad waitstaff!
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Dec 2013

and *that's* the upside of tipping well and establishing a rapport.

we have a few regular restaurants and always request our favorite waitstaff. you have to constantly tip well, but it's well worth it even if you're doing purely for selfish reasons.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
40. More like the difference between waitstaff who want to keep their job and waitstaff who don't
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:23 PM
Dec 2013

These days you either toe the company line or you are outtathere.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
45. our experience is that managers/owners are fine with keeping regular customers happy.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:29 PM
Dec 2013

they'd much rather serve the stale food to those merely passing through town.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
99. At Applebees? Unlikely.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:41 PM
Dec 2013

That may be true for small restaurants, but in chains like Applebees the waiters are unlikely to know anything about the "freshness" of the food in the kitchen. And they'll push whatever dishes their managers tell them to push.

Besides, people who are dining at Applebee's aren't exactly foodies who are going to get bent out of shape over two day old fish. It's a fair bet that everything Applebees sells was frozen anyway.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
100. In a way yes, but you could get a lot more tailored with it.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:47 PM
Dec 2013

If you can identify the user, the tablet could actually tailor its recommendations for repeat customers. By remembering whether they prefer beef or pasta, vegetarian dishes or steaks, spicy foods or bland, the tablet could be far more responsive and ALWAYS recommend a dish they'd like, without any prompting at all.

Navigational trees are a simple way to accomplish a simple task. Tag clouds or pseudo AI could be used too. There are lots of different ways to accomplish this.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
79. And if the tablet is designed to recognize you, tailored pricing is another option.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dec 2013

Some supermarket chains are already using loyalty cards to craft different prices based on their knowledge of the buyer's shopping patterns. Some e-tailers also present different options based on what they know about the customer. Sometimes the known customer gets the better deal, sometimes it's the unknown one.

If tablets only present the same information to every customer, they're fairly benign. I do see it as a way customers will justify lower tips though since the servers will be less relevant.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
36. Unless they
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
Dec 2013

install software that would interact with a security system a limited distance from each table. Sirens, buzzers, and bells that would go off if the tablet crossed over into unauthorized space...

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
42. the potential dining experience is sounding better all the time...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:23 PM
Dec 2013

A tablet to pop-up italian recommendations because that's what you ordered last week, so obviously you don't feel like chinese or 'murkin or 'not italian' today.

Sirens and alarms going off every 5 minutes.

Your spouse totally ignoring you because he or she is totally wrapped up in some mind-numbing video game.

What's not to love?

unblock

(52,253 posts)
37. probably built in to the tables, not easily removed without obvious equipment
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:14 PM
Dec 2013

doesn't sound that difficult to protect against.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
54. They had this in Apple Bee's in Fargo ND a few years ago. This is nothing new.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:47 PM
Dec 2013

The devices were fastened to the table. They weren't that big. The nice thing about this is you could order something without waiting for the waitress to check on you. You also could just summons the waitress.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
103. They are cabled to the table
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:52 PM
Dec 2013

..and they perform a limited number of tasks.


..and the price of tablets is dropping at a rate where soon no one will get great profit out of swiping them.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
108. There's knucklehead born every minute...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:15 PM
Dec 2013

A few years back, some dopes in Milwaukee attempted to steal an ATM by tying a log chain around it and attaching the other end to their bumper.

Didn't end well for them.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
21. I think the latest trend out here in CA is going to hurt more....
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:49 PM
Dec 2013

And that is no servers, bartenders taking orders and serving food and doing dishes. I cannot tell you how many newer places have opened that have totally cut out the server in this fashion. The bartender does everything, including bussing, dishwashing and table delivery.... with a minimal staff in the kitchen.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
24. Jon Taffer would never allow that.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:54 PM
Dec 2013

The Bar Rescue series will have lots of bars to get back on track if that happens a lot.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
33. No they won't.......
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Dec 2013

These bars are all very successful. They are teeeny weeny too usually... (Save on labor and rent you know) It is the casual dining market we are talking about here......Which is the fastest growing segment right now. The 20 taps and burger type places. No more job specific, the bartender does it all.... And the places are packed always. Order at the counter, and the bartender brings you your food and accoutrements. Then they buss and do the dishes.......

it really saves on the patron as well, who can cut the tip in a lot of cases (according to the bartenders) when there is copious amounts of beer and a meal involved. Instead of two 20% tips,(server and bartender) and added tax, together might be 15% and still be a pretty hefty tip because there really wasn't service. Of course the bartender doesn't have to share with anyone either so they can work fewer tables and make more ducats.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
84. This is hardly new.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dec 2013

Been seeing places like that since I was a child. And I turn 52 next month.

Bartendar works alone at the closest place to my house, in fact. She has a rough go of it, too. Some places have a grill behind the bar. This place has a separate kitchen. So if she's got something cooking, she has to keep moving back and forth between the kitchen and the bar.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
85. A dream of mine
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

Ya know, one of those dreams that is mostly for dreaming.

Wife and I love eating at the bar. Service tends to be better, usually get a table faster, and there's frequently some good people watchin' to boot. I have an idea for a restaurant that is nothing but one long bar. Probably has some "shape" to it so there are "corners" where 4 people could "sit" with each other. Maybe some small "loops" where they sit across from each other with a "slot" between them to allow the server/bartender/busser to work. Has the added benefit of using table space a bit more efficiently. No more partys of 2 taking up a table for 4 and that kind of thing.

Probably wouldn't work, I have alot of business ideas that probably wouldn't work. But there are places where the bar is often hopping long after the restaurant is done.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
27. One of the nice things about eating out is admiring
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:58 PM
Dec 2013

the attractive food servers on the floor - and I don't mean that applies to everyone, but it is one reason that I personally enjoy eating out.

Take that small pleasure away, and you are reducing my enjoyment of the restaurant experience.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
30. Holograms
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
Dec 2013

Custom designed to fit your particular tastes.

After that, they'll figure out a way that you won't even be needed to eat the food.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
39. now thats a winner, i would like my waitress to be audrey hepburn please.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:20 PM
Dec 2013

Or you could have thor or a giant praying mantis. I love this idea.

77. I see them walk in all the time as I pass right on by. I don't need tits in my face while I eat
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:54 PM
Dec 2013

I am not a baby.


 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
112. Well, if you live in NYC or LA, many of the wait staff are aspiring actors/actresses.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:10 AM
Dec 2013

i.e., generally good looking people.

Come to think of it, in LA, it seems have of people throughout most industries are aspiring actors or actresses.

118. ok, so lets go out and drool or gawk at good looking people.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:53 PM
Dec 2013

are those words a better description of what takes place?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
91. Did you ever watch the ITV production of Pocketful of Rye,
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:26 PM
Dec 2013

Agatha Christie's Miss Marple mystery?

We are introduced to a character who is a business tycoon; he's on the phone, barking at someone, and his secretary walks in to give him a cup of tea. As she puts it down next to him, he pinches her ass gleefully. It's a trite cliche - the leering Benny Hill old man and the young, buxom blonde, bubble-butt bimbo getting her butt and boobs pinched.

So, long-winded way of saying that I hardly think admiring servers is weird.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
29. I've been to a few places that had this
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:04 PM
Dec 2013

and it kind of failed. No one paid for the games (Who doesn't have a smart phone filled with games?). People wanted to split bills, order off menu, order specialty drinks... frankly it didn't work well and people didn't use them. People want service and will tip to have good service.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
61. I imagine it will further seperate places
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:16 PM
Dec 2013

People that pay $ will expect service. Places like Applebees will become more like fast food places. I mean if McDonalds replaced the guy at the register with a machine and credit card reader would people notice much drop in service. Medium end places I've been to that tried it quickly went back to normal service. People didn't use it. It is all how you want to imagine your business. Some places don't mind appearing and feeling fast foods. Some places market themselves as a restaurant.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
47. Are they trying to re-invent the Automat?
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:31 PM
Dec 2013

For you young whippersnappers, Automat was a chain of proto fast food restaurants, mainly in big cities. They had a wall with little compartments each displaying one of the various foods offered: if you saw something you liked, you put your nickels in, opened the door for that slot, and took it. Back then, you needed humans to make the food and keep the compartments stocked, but I'm sure the PTB will find a way to automate that.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
57. I know what an automat was...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:53 PM
Dec 2013

And vending machines are one of the reasons they're not around any more. That and McDonald's.



RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
94. When I was a child, my mother would take me to
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:37 PM
Dec 2013

the Horn and Hardart automat in downtown Philadelphia. I thought it was a lot of fun to pick out my food.


eridani

(51,907 posts)
115. De Lekkerste!
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:39 AM
Dec 2013

Tourist guidebooks warn you away from them. I much prefer the brown cafes. And the "coffee" houses.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
52. It's a tragedy.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dec 2013


But then, I avoid places like Applebee's, if I can. If they want to be a high end McDonald's, I'm okay with that.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
53. One more good reason not to eat at Applebees, if I needed one.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:45 PM
Dec 2013

On the other hand, if one enjoys eating over cooked cardboard with sauce......

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
56. This is a good thing - we need to keep pushing forward towards automation.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Dec 2013

It's unfortunate that jobs are lost, but technology also creates jobs. Not using new technology because it will replace a human is backwards and the height of foolishness.

While it may seem bad in the short term, in the long term this is how technological progress happens and our quality of life improves. Things like this cut costs and improve businesses' ability to operate. As the technology becomes inexpensive, they make starting a small business easier. This is turn replaces the lost jobs and makes even more jobs.

Why have waiters and waitresses when you can have machines do it better? Why not send those waiters and waitresses to school and get them high paying jobs (like working on robots, computers, etc.)?

In the short term, won't this also make it easier for the wait staff? They won't have to run over and check on customers every 5 minutes. At the moment, this seems like more of a job aid than anything.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
67. That would be horrific for our society
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

First there's scant evidence that the number of jobs being lost to automation are being replaced by higher-order jobs. Not everyone is wired to be a programmer, so the less service jobs out there leads to more poverty, unrest, etc.

Second with less face-to-face contact with other humans, opportunities for social trust are lost. For example, in this year's GSS social trust indicators have greatly declined. This social capital is so important for Democratic society and when it wanes it is not good.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
90. Whats horrific is, we have off shored our value add jobs.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dec 2013

We shipped out our manufacturing to china, mexico and elsewhere. The damage is done. That we're quibbling over jobs that rely on the kindness of strangers (tips) as opposed to talking about what it will take to get real jobs back in america shows how far we have declined.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
105. Get rid of cars...they put horse & buggy drivers out of work.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:56 PM
Dec 2013

Get rid of email...it puts mail carriers out of work.

Get rid of direct dialing on telephones...it puts switchboard operators out of work.

Get rid of the Internet altogether...it puts librarians out of work.

And on and on.

With every new invention and innovation comes the cries from a few that people will be put out of work. Yes, industries and jobs are made obsolete with inventions. But new ones are created at the same time.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
70. Why would it stop there?
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:41 PM
Dec 2013

A high paying job working on robots and computers? Why have people do that when you can have a machine do it better?

I guess the ultimate goal would be a completely automated world where humans are left to do nothing but create art or something. But then why have people doing that if you could make a machine that could do it better?

Why not cut down all the trees and build a robotic tree of some sort that could do the job of a tree better? Why not build a better robotic fish so that we can pollute whatever stream, lake, or ocean we want? Why not get rid of all organic life and replace it with machinery? Nothing would get sick. Nothing would get hurt. Nothing would die. Nothing could do it better.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
78. Because those things would be nonsensical and pointless.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:54 PM
Dec 2013

Having tablets at restaurant tables = value adding. Making robot fish or metal trees= pointless and generates no value.

If we could have robots autonomously building and maintaining other robots, that would be even better. Efficiency improves the quality of living for all.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
87. I disagree
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:11 PM
Dec 2013

I believe doing meaningful work and activities with other real life people creates a higher quality of life. People staring at screens all day probably doesn't, as it makes us talk to each other less. In turn we trust each other less (per the latest General Social Survey). In turn our collective social capital that brings about an informed and active citizenry and functioning government is frayed.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
93. If you say so
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:34 PM
Dec 2013

Where does your line end? If the highly skilled and well paying jobs that will be created by sending former waiters and waitresses to school ended up being building metal trees to replace normal trees, would you do it?

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
88. OK let's start with your job. I'm sure it will benefit society in the long term. Technology is not
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:19 PM
Dec 2013

going to stop advancing just because we decide not to take every available opportunity to fuck workers over.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
95. Problem is automation is failing to produce jobs faster than it eliminates them.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:41 PM
Dec 2013

I know the theory is that we can automate all these tedious jobs and the humans can move on to just doing the "important" or "high-paying" jobs.

It's not working like that in practice anymore. For example, the plan was the people who lost their factory job to automated manufacturing would re-train and get some sort of "high-tech" job to replace it. And get better pay to boot!

Unfortunately, there were not enough "high-tech" jobs to replace all of those manufacturing jobs. And automation did not create a large enough swath of high-tech jobs. So most of those factory workers stumbled around into whatever work they could find in the service industry, that paid much worse.

The problem is that automation replaces more labor than it produces. It always has. For a time, that was fine because we were limited by labor capacity - inventing the Combine harvester moved a ton of farm labor into the cities, where they could find work because there was unmet demand for labor.

But we've reached the point where we are not strongly constrained by labor any more. So automating more stuff doesn't increase total output, it starts idling labor.

We're going to have to start changing things to deal with that. What specifically changes will depend on who's steering. Big business wants to drive us all down to serfdom, creating the "Hunger Games" world.

But there are alternatives - what if 32/hours a week became what was considered a full-time job, with hourly pay going up such that take-home remained the same? (ex. $10/hr becomes $12.50/hr). Means more people working to produce the same output, because there's one less day of output per person. And those people would have more free time during which to consume goods and services, creating more jobs.

Essentially, we need to avoid the dystopian hellscape by increasing leisure time. Which means we need to stop letting big business steer, as they have for the last 30ish years.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
96. At some point, it became about technological progress
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:58 PM
Dec 2013

for the sake of technological progress. It went from "alright, I'll chip away at this arrowhead, and it'll make my life a little easier", to, "ok, umm, why do we need you here again, and what are we paying you for?"

60. great idea!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:10 PM
Dec 2013

the article states that customers are going to ignore their dining companions by playing video games.
How stupid do you have to be to think that shit doesn't already happen!!!
It's called smart phones stupid! People don't need to use the tablet that they order food from to play video games, we have cell phones for that!


stupid article.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
69. my local Applebees have had those tablets for a year or more
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:40 PM
Dec 2013

and as far as I've seen, it hasn't yet had very much impact on the amount of work done by wait staff, except maybe at payment time.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
81. my niece worked for these scumbags
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dec 2013

good waitress with repeat customers. they started cutting her hours and changed her shift because she was making to much money. so she quit and found a waitress job at a local greek steak house. the place is always busy and the food is excellent. today i drove by the the place she used to work...a few cars in the lot but the buffalo wings parking lot was packed.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
86. We have a restaurant here that's done this for 20 years....
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

or more. It's a train place where you order over the phone and then a train brings your food.

Don't see what the big deal is. Should I boycott the train place too?

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
101. Chilis has had these tablets in some places for over a year now.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:48 PM
Dec 2013

The "ignore their dining companions" comment is just asinine -- smart phones and personal gaming systems have allowed for this for years.

I'd be all for the table systems reducing servers to food runners if, in exchange, they'd get a living wage and not have to depend on tips.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
107. Nothing like good old-fashioned overreaction.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

Oh noes!!! All the jobz are gone now!!!

This article reeks of speculation which is then propped into a giant straw-man hyperbole laced rant about the loss of jobs.

indie9197

(509 posts)
111. Is this all because of that waitress they had to fire for embarrassing them???
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:56 PM
Dec 2013

for posting the receipt from that pastor that stiffed her on the tip????

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