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LukeFL

(594 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:22 PM Dec 2013

Today has been the worst day of my life

I found out today why my husband of almost 20 years wanted to get separated. He was cheating on me. All this time I have been thinking that he really didn't want to leave us- I have been creating excuses in my mind- I have blamed the anxiety pills he's been taking, the blood pressure medicine etc etc.. I wanted to fight for my marriage. We have two small sons who love him and will be as devastated when they don't see their daddy home. I learned he's been talking to a coworker of his for more than six months. Endless calls and text messages..

How can someone be so cold, ruthless? How can he base marriage only something so small as feelings? What about the commitment he made?

I am emotionally destroyed. I feel lost. He was my everything. I trusted him with my eyes closed.

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Today has been the worst day of my life (Original Post) LukeFL Dec 2013 OP
I'm so sorry for you and your sons. EOTE Dec 2013 #1
I'm so sorry. I'm a marriage counselor, please take some advice. Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #2
Good advice... Phentex Dec 2013 #11
Thank you! Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #26
In fact, I went through it ten years ago, with a cheating spouse who wrecked a marriage with two villager Dec 2013 #53
Congrats on making yourself a peaceful life, isn't it wonderful? Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #98
They are indeed wonderful, those kids. I'm at an interesting juncture, with an emptying nest... villager Dec 2013 #116
I tell the women in my groups not to look for a man to marry, but instead to build a Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #119
Well, thanks. I guess part of it is the "letting go," and realizing it's not entirely my decision,l villager Dec 2013 #123
Excellent advice! LeftofObama Dec 2013 #46
He might yet see the true light. {{LukeFL}} WinkyDink Dec 2013 #3
So true! 20 year marriage weighs heavy B Calm Dec 2013 #95
Your trust has been violated. Know that is all on him. boston bean Dec 2013 #4
I'm so sorry catbyte Dec 2013 #5
Thank you.. He wanted LukeFL Dec 2013 #18
It's normal to be scared malaise Dec 2013 #27
Your feelings are understandable. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #48
Yes, she should get a lawyer NOW, not after New Year's Hekate Dec 2013 #88
+++++++++++++++++1!!!!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #107
+2 MrsBrady Dec 2013 #118
Really, not to have a "sad" face until after Christmas? nenagh Dec 2013 #64
Sounds like a very selfish person -- you have already shown enormous strength if KurtNYC Dec 2013 #142
I am so sorry this is happening to you. Hang in there! raging moderate Dec 2013 #6
I am sorry Nictuku Dec 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #8
OMG. closeupready Dec 2013 #14
It is a question of survival, and her children's well being. No way to sugar coat it lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #17
Unless she makes more. Then he should do the same. closeupready Dec 2013 #24
I doubt that he will find much standing with a jury or Judge if the OP hires a good bluestate10 Dec 2013 #36
+1 for the sake of the kids get the phone messages from communal line and take everything he's got big_dog Dec 2013 #30
+1 Close out any joint credit cards KurtNYC Dec 2013 #143
get mercuryblues Dec 2013 #9
Yes. The first thing that she must do is hire a damned good lawyer. The OP kept her bluestate10 Dec 2013 #33
How long have you been separated? FarCenter Dec 2013 #10
So sorry, but you will get through it eventually and emerge stronger. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #12
Exactly... sendero Dec 2013 #40
You have my sympathy. Laelth Dec 2013 #13
I'm so sorry... Phentex Dec 2013 #15
i am so sorry. i hope it all works out Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #16
{{hugs}} Delphinus Dec 2013 #19
If he cheated on you, the mother of his two children, he will cheat on her. It's almost a given. monmouth3 Dec 2013 #20
Same thing happened to my aunt LittleBlue Dec 2013 #21
Please, please, PLEASE keep this in the forefront of your thoughts: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #22
Best thing that ever happened to me was to find out. broiles Dec 2013 #23
I hope it's just manopause. lpbk2713 Dec 2013 #25
I am single, but one realism that I live with and keep in mind is that if I ever got married, bluestate10 Dec 2013 #32
Like Paul Newman said ... lpbk2713 Dec 2013 #45
From what others are saying, it sounds as if there is a light at the hedgehog Dec 2013 #28
Lady, please, for the sake of your sons, gather yourself. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #29
I'm so sorry. Doremus Dec 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #34
I'm so sorry your life and your sons' lives are Cha Dec 2013 #35
Been there OldHippieChick Dec 2013 #37
I have to second this strongly. Protect yourself. He is at sea and unreliable...you have to CTyankee Dec 2013 #41
Same thing happened to me cliffordu Dec 2013 #38
your children will still love their father and see himj. grasswire Dec 2013 #39
You are suffering through a loss... StarryNite Dec 2013 #42
So sorry to hear that. Kaleva Dec 2013 #43
Hold your head up, take care of yourself, thecrow Dec 2013 #44
Hire a lawyer & kick his ass out - TBF Dec 2013 #47
Retain a lawyer MrScorpio Dec 2013 #49
If you are in FL, you are in what is considered a long term marriage, so you should glowing Dec 2013 #50
Thank you. LukeFL Dec 2013 #129
First, just breathe. Many of us have been there and there is no pain in the world like it. 1monster Dec 2013 #51
I am so, so sorry distantearlywarning Dec 2013 #52
Most of us understand at least partially by our own experience BlueJazz Dec 2013 #54
I've been there and I know what it feels like passiveporcupine Dec 2013 #55
Sorry that your are being put through such pain rudolph the red Dec 2013 #56
I am gonna go the other way here.... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #57
No, no and, in case you missed it: NO. ladyVet Dec 2013 #85
that BS only works if both sides are willing to work on it hard enough. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #124
Agreed, both sides need to work on it...... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #126
I am so sorry to hear you are dealing with this crap. giftedgirl77 Dec 2013 #58
I hope you will let someone help you. Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #59
been there.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #60
*hugs* sakabatou Dec 2013 #61
I know you're getting a lot of advice here... kag Dec 2013 #62
It sucks Go Vols Dec 2013 #63
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #65
Some things in life transcend politics. This one of them. badtoworse Dec 2013 #69
Wow, imagine if someone said the same thing about women. Classy. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #74
Neither Obama or Bill Clinton got a majority of the White Male vote.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #84
I didn't pick up from the OP that her husband is white Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #102
Some things are universal.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #115
Plenty of women cheat too. n/t distantearlywarning Dec 2013 #80
omg, I've so been there. huge hugs to you. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #66
I hope you can quickly find some peace. AuntFester Dec 2013 #67
You aren't the first woman this has happened to and you won't be the last. Warpy Dec 2013 #68
I told him to leave the house LukeFL Dec 2013 #91
Here is all I can give you that Sissyk Dec 2013 #117
Lawyer up. Warpy Dec 2013 #128
File for legal seperation.....ASAP! Protect yourself! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #132
Was it in anger or haste? thecrow Dec 2013 #133
It's the first time I do this LukeFL Dec 2013 #135
...about your sons.... thecrow Dec 2013 #139
And what right do you think she has to do this? Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #140
I told her first thecrow Dec 2013 #146
Here's wishing you nothing but the best! nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #70
I am so sorry for you. I hope that you can recover from this blow. badtoworse Dec 2013 #71
I am so sorry. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #72
Get a lawyer. Immediately. Remove every single piece of.paper that documents income, taxes msanthrope Dec 2013 #73
I went through this - in 840high Dec 2013 #75
I know what you're going through. mia Dec 2013 #76
So sorry- lots of good counsel here. roody Dec 2013 #77
Feels like a sledgehammer doesn't it..... alittlelark Dec 2013 #78
CORRECTION: the worst day of your life was yesterday, when you did NOT know that you are on the LaydeeBug Dec 2013 #79
^^^THIS^^^ alittlelark Dec 2013 #86
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Dec 2013 #113
I'm so sorry this happened to you. bravenak Dec 2013 #81
I'm so sorry LukeFL. polly7 Dec 2013 #82
Very sorry to hear that. You've been given some great advice on this thread. Captain Stern Dec 2013 #83
Awful thing to happen. Sorry you're having to deal with it. Tigress DEM Dec 2013 #87
Oh, honey Hekate Dec 2013 #89
Pay close attention to what has already been said here SheilaT Dec 2013 #90
If you want to really jar him back into reality, B Calm Dec 2013 #92
Sorry, I see that as bad advice. randome Dec 2013 #101
I guess we'll have to disagree. 20 years is a lot of time to B Calm Dec 2013 #111
Not everyone is open to being 'woken up'. But congrats to you for being one of them! randome Dec 2013 #112
Some good suggestions here. I encourage you to hire a barracuda lawyer ASAP. raccoon Dec 2013 #93
Sorry for what you're going through. randome Dec 2013 #94
Stop beating up on yourself at this very minute. mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #96
Hugs. idwiyo Dec 2013 #97
{{{LukeFL}}} leftynyc Dec 2013 #99
I'm sorry. LWolf Dec 2013 #100
This sucks - and you're going to be grieving for a while Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #103
I agree with the no 'revenge' thing. HappyMe Dec 2013 #108
this happened to me in 6 months ago irisblue Dec 2013 #104
It's called Middle Aged Crazy and it happens. I have some practical thoughts for you. MADem Dec 2013 #105
I hope the love being sent to you by our DU community helps in some small way. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #106
Some very good advice in this thread. 99Forever Dec 2013 #109
LukeFL, the essential person in this dramatic triangle is you... Surya Gayatri Dec 2013 #110
Sorry to hear this...Been there maddezmom Dec 2013 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Dec 2013 #120
He has no idea what he is asking for. gulliver Dec 2013 #121
"The worst day" is now over - things will get better from here... polichick Dec 2013 #122
I feel sad for you BUT SoCalDem Dec 2013 #125
She is not getting the man you married. She is getting the much used model. searchingforlight Dec 2013 #127
Just wanted to check in. distantearlywarning Dec 2013 #130
Be prepared mercuryblues Dec 2013 #131
Do you get along with his parents? thecrow Dec 2013 #134
well you have one heck of a support group Omaha Steve Dec 2013 #136
How are you doing tonight LukeFL? Keeping you in my thoughts riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #137
I am so sorry, LukeFL... derby378 Dec 2013 #138
I'm so sorry this happened to you. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #141
. myrna minx Dec 2013 #144
I'm so sorry. Cleita Dec 2013 #145

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
1. I'm so sorry for you and your sons.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:26 PM
Dec 2013

I know very little about your situation so this might seem hollow, but things can always get better.

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
2. I'm so sorry. I'm a marriage counselor, please take some advice.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:28 PM
Dec 2013

Get some help for yourself and join a separation/divorce support group. I've been running them for 15 years and they are the best way to get support through this. Huge hugs, you are going to get through this.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
53. In fact, I went through it ten years ago, with a cheating spouse who wrecked a marriage with two
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:51 PM
Dec 2013

...young sons, in order to be with a new partner who could generously be described as "dubious."

It was her own emotional scars and roiling feelings that led her there.

Ten years later, while it is still sad to think of how that marriage ended, the boys are nearly grown (one in college, one in high school), and terrific.

And my life is much more peaceful than it was when I was the only one trying to make the marriage work.

I can even talk to her when I see her at youngest son's games, etc.

Take care. It feels horrendous now, but there is a yonder side to it...

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
98. Congrats on making yourself a peaceful life, isn't it wonderful?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:13 AM
Dec 2013

And enjoy those sons, I know you do. Kids are delicious.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
116. They are indeed wonderful, those kids. I'm at an interesting juncture, with an emptying nest...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:24 PM
Dec 2013

... when I think of whether I want to still live life alone, or "on my own" as the case may be, or if it might be time to let down one's emotional guard on that front...

Though it's hard to imagine wanting to go through hoops to please someone else again, like it was in those married days...

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
119. I tell the women in my groups not to look for a man to marry, but instead to build a
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:08 PM
Dec 2013

Wonderful network of single friends. That way the pressure is off and if it happens, it happens. Good luck to you with whatever you decide!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
123. Well, thanks. I guess part of it is the "letting go," and realizing it's not entirely my decision,l
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

given all those variables in the universe, the various trickster gods afoot, etc.

The "trick," I'm realizing is to be as fully present in one's own life as possible.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
95. So true! 20 year marriage weighs heavy
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:56 AM
Dec 2013

on his mind, he needs something that will jolt him back into reality.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
4. Your trust has been violated. Know that is all on him.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:29 PM
Dec 2013

Nothing you did do, could have done, might have done would have made a different outcome.

I feel for you and the kids. It happens a lot to many people, male and female alike.

My advice is to stay strong and take care of you and the kids. You will get angry after the hurt, but it is all part of a process you will go through. Don't beat yourself up.

Take care and be strong.

catbyte

(34,381 posts)
5. I'm so sorry
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:29 PM
Dec 2013

Perhaps he'll snap out of it. However, I've always found that if someone cheats once, they'll cheat again. I hope you and your wonderful sons get through this and you find peace & contentment. BTW, he sounds like a jerk for ruining your kid's holidays, though.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
18. Thank you.. He wanted
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:54 PM
Dec 2013

To separate after the holidays but wanted me to pretend everything was okay and not have a "sad" face until then.

I was going to wait ( for the kids) until I found all the calls and texts that I thought he was using me until the very end so he won't feel guilty.

He was being very selfish and I just couldn't handle it and exploded.

My three year old and 11 year old love him. How am I going thru go to this?

I met him when I was 25 yrs old. Young and naive. I married him thinking he was the perfect man- NY Guard and ángel.

In need to be strong.. but I am scared.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
27. It's normal to be scared
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Dec 2013

but you and your boys will survive and you may even be better off once the pain and anger pass.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
48. Your feelings are understandable.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:11 PM
Dec 2013

My three year old and 11 year old love him. How am I going thru go to this?

- You MUST collect yourself and go through this. Get a good lawyer. Focus on protecting your rights and your sons rights. Your sons will one day see you as far the better and more noble parent. Don't let anger drive you.

I met him when I was 25 yrs old. Young and naive. I married him thinking he was the perfect man- NY Guard and Angel.

- You are wiser now. Focus on getting a good divorce settlement and your sons. If you do date again, I have some advice. The best time to see a person's real character is how they act when they have an advantage or a choice. Pay attention to how a man treats people that can't do much to fight him back if he comes down on them, like homeless people, wait people, taxi drivers, fast food servers, etc. If a man uses his social and economic status to put down less fortunate people, MOVE ON, that will not be the right person for you and one day his character will come out, but you will be his target.

In need to be strong.. but I am scared.

-Buck up. Be strong for your kids. You are on solid ground. Quietly hire a good divorce lawyer. Get what you and your sons deserve. You sons will thank you once they mature.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
88. Yes, she should get a lawyer NOW, not after New Year's
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:08 AM
Dec 2013

This wait till after Xmas crap is for the birds ~~ put on a happy face? My gods. The reason my antenna are up (or my BS meter) is that my son in law used virtually the same ploy in order to stall my daughter. He told her he wanted to get couples counseling, but he used the time while she sought someone out to get himself a lawyer.

Such a betrayal, but she needs to keep her head on straight and make a plan -- because he already has.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
107. +++++++++++++++++1!!!!!!!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:08 AM
Dec 2013

And she should make an appointment and talk/consult with EVERY GOOD DIVORCE LAWYER in town before picking one.

If they've consulted with her, they won't take him on as a client...he'll get the dregs!

MrsBrady

(4,187 posts)
118. +2
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:05 PM
Dec 2013

Completely different situation from mine...(short version).
But I was completly misled on purpose...stalling and pretending to find me a job in the town
where he had himself relocated..all the while cheating...and I had been ill.
Classy.
And now he's married to her...she can have him. Ick.

...it IS a terrible betrayal.

A good lawyer is critical. Luckily I was not willing to be a doormat.
And life certainly got better...is better.

He can have all that drama to himself without me.

I'm currently enjoying my life without the lies with a new perspective...
and a new love. It does get better.

But it starts with a good lawyer.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
64. Really, not to have a "sad" face until after Christmas?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:47 PM
Dec 2013

Grrrr... I'm annoyed on your behalf.
When my husband and I were separated, my youngest son was quite affected. But his teacher realized that he had changed...and she did something wonderful.

The teacher's father had just passed away, and she gathered together a little group of children whose lives were being affected by change or loss. They would meet once or twice a week at lunchtime and talk and fill in a little booklet, like a comic book idea, only the lessons were about change or loss. It was called the Rainbow Program, I think.

My son came home one day from school and said that Miss. XXXX had cried because her Dad had died and she said that it was OK for us to cry.

He was maybe in Grade 3... and I owe the world to that very sympathetic and kind teacher.

Within 8 weeks or so, as the children progressed through the lessons.. he became a changed and contented child again. I must say, I relied heavily on counselling myself.. for a long time.

It was support for me.

I wish you luck and courage...

and am sending


KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
142. Sounds like a very selfish person -- you have already shown enormous strength if
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:28 PM
Dec 2013

have been putting up with that kind of 'please hide any honest and negative response to my selfish actions' BS.

In my experience, you don't often don't know what you CAN do until you HAVE to. I know someone who was married to a selfish (blame everyone else) alcoholic for 4 years and breaking up turned out to be way easier than living together.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
6. I am so sorry this is happening to you. Hang in there!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

Of course, it's a terrible shock! You need time to think it through. You will find a way to rebuild your life, and safeguard your sons.

Nictuku

(3,609 posts)
7. I am sorry
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

I don't have any answers. I can only hope that after the dust settles, you will emerge stronger, and rejuvenated.

I think of this line, which /might/ be helpful:

Every woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

Response to LukeFL (Original post)

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
36. I doubt that he will find much standing with a jury or Judge if the OP hires a good
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:50 PM
Dec 2013

divorce lawyer. He drew first blood, many time, that counts for something if the lawyer is good. Doesn't matter if the OP makes more. The OP must collect herself and recognize that her marriage is over, even if he comes back, she will never really trust him. The OP can't let herself gets one-upped by the husband hiring a good lawyer while the OP is still dwelling in her grief.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
30. +1 for the sake of the kids get the phone messages from communal line and take everything he's got
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:28 PM
Dec 2013

sounds like he's dead to rights. even money says he's done a lot more than texting and emailing.... your money could end up going to this new woman

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
9. get
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:32 PM
Dec 2013

transcripts of those text and a printout of the calls if you can.

Do not let him use your trust and emotions against you in the future. Take some solace in karma. If they will do it with you, they will do it to you. IOW his new fling will most likely bail when the thrill of sneaking around has worn off.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
33. Yes. The first thing that she must do is hire a damned good lawyer. The OP kept her
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:40 PM
Dec 2013

nose clean. She is on solid ground if she fights calmly and wisely.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. How long have you been separated?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:35 PM
Dec 2013

Why does finding out he has been cheating on you make you want to give up now?

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
12. So sorry, but you will get through it eventually and emerge stronger.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:37 PM
Dec 2013

I was devastated, but it does finally pass. I've been in a better, stronger marriage for 28 years.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
40. Exactly...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:52 PM
Dec 2013

... there is no avoiding that this is painful... at first. But like every crisis there is an opportunity.

When my wife dumped me many years ago I realized that she did me a favor. Not at first of course, you have to get through the stages. But remember, someone out there is a man who will love you and not screw around on you.

I recommend the book Rebuilding, a simple solid way to understand what you will to through but you WILL get to the other side and it WILL be a better day.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. You have my sympathy.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:37 PM
Dec 2013

Most of us, I think, go into marriage and really mean it when we say "'til death do us part." Obviously, you did. I admire that.

Peace and hugs.

-Laelth

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
20. If he cheated on you, the mother of his two children, he will cheat on her. It's almost a given.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:58 PM
Dec 2013

I'm sorry you are going through this but I agree with the others, you will come out of this stronger. Karma has a way of doing these things.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
21. Same thing happened to my aunt
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:05 PM
Dec 2013

She married in her early 20s to a tall, successful guy. Once she hit 40 it was over. The kids were raised and he cheated on her, then filed for divorce. Divorced and with few options, she went back to school and got a good job. She's doing well today but it took some years for her to recover from it. She's dating again with a guy for the last couple years.

I think it will work out for you too, even though it feels like your world is shattered. You'll recover by drawing strength from your family.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
22. Please, please, PLEASE keep this in the forefront of your thoughts:
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:07 PM
Dec 2013

This. Is. Not. Your. Fault.

I have no idea if you're thinking otherwise, but it's a common reaction for the victim of infidelity to assume at least some of the blame...and it's a wrong one. It's not you. It's him.

broiles

(1,367 posts)
23. Best thing that ever happened to me was to find out.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:11 PM
Dec 2013

Otherwise I would have stayed and never married the man that turned out to be the love of my life. My daughters are closer to him than their biological father. The guy sounds like a real shit. It'll take some time to get over it, but in the long run you and your kids will be better off.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
32. I am single, but one realism that I live with and keep in mind is that if I ever got married,
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:32 PM
Dec 2013

any hot woman who I see ONLY at her best will have an advantage over my wife - who I would often see at her worse. The other women MAY actually be better, but if I made a good choice in choosing a spouse, it is unlikely that the other women would be better, so I wouldn't waste time on them.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
28. From what others are saying, it sounds as if there is a light at the
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Dec 2013

end of this very dark tunnel! I hope you can get some in-real-life support and advice, and that your journey through this has as little pain as possible. I would especially second two pieces of advice - get some legal advice and remember It's Not Your Fault!

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
29. Lady, please, for the sake of your sons, gather yourself.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:26 PM
Dec 2013

Your marriage is over, accept that. Don't spend time punishing yourself. You will now be going through a divorce. Focus on hiring a GOOD divorce lawyer. You have rights from your marriage, so do your kids. Make sure that you and your kids get everything that you have earned. Lastly, you are surely, and deservedly enraged at your husband - but, please, please don't let that cause you to have a bitter divorce fight. Your husband owes you and your children assets and financial support, if he is truly a good person, he will give you those things without a fight. But if you have to fight, fight with calmness, humility and focus. Work to have a good post marriage relationship with your husband, for the sake of your sons.

Response to LukeFL (Original post)

Cha

(297,196 posts)
35. I'm so sorry your life and your sons' lives are
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

getting turned upside down, LukeFL.

It's a shock to our systems and we need the love and support of our family and friends.. and as the marriage counselor advised.. a support group to give us strength when we're going through a loss of a loved one.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
37. Been there
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:50 PM
Dec 2013

First rule - GET A LAWYER. You need to get financial support for your children and, if necessary, yourself. Once you have a lawyer taking care of that, then get some emotional support. Your lawyer is not there for that and can't help you. If you don't have good friends who have been through this, then absolutely find a support group as quickly as you can or see your pastor, if you have one you know well.

I could give you lots of answers to your questions, but that would be my own experience and belief and not yours. It won't be easy, but you must get rid of the anger and the bitterness as soon as you possibly can - for your sake and your children. You cannot say bad things about him to your children. It will come back and bite you in the butt.

Be strong for your children's sake if you can't for your own. The answers to your questions will come over time, but for now, you must be practical and take care of putting food in their mouths.

If you want, you can PM me. I will give you all the emotional support I can and try to answer your questions from a general perspective.

I know it is devastating. You've got to hang in there.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
41. I have to second this strongly. Protect yourself. He is at sea and unreliable...you have to
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

get someone on your side. When I knew my first marriage was unworkable I called my mother and said I needed money to get a divorce from my husband. I hired a lawyer and he took a lot of the stress away. It's a good step to make....good luck...I will be thinking of you...

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
38. Same thing happened to me
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:51 PM
Dec 2013

But it was the half million dollars she inherited that gave her license to emotionally walk away.....and cheat.

After almost 30 years.

You'll heal. It will take a while, but life- and the ability to thrive- is open to you now.

Go for it. Make the next chapter the most productive and loving and independant of your life.

Peace.

C

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
39. your children will still love their father and see himj.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:52 PM
Dec 2013

And it's up to you (for their sake) to keep him in their lives and nurture that relationship.

Don't fall into the easy habit of badmouthing him in front of them.

If you love your children (and it's clear you do) the worst thing you could do to them is harm that relationship.

Everything else is secondary.

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
42. You are suffering through a loss...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

much like death. It is the death of your marriage. You will go through a whole list of different feelings and emotions about it but you will get through it. You will realize that nothing you could have done could have changed his bad behavior. Don't make excuses for him or blame yourself. Just move forward and do what you must do for yourself and your little boys. You will come out on top. The other woman is getting a cheater, you're getting rid of one.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
43. So sorry to hear that.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:00 PM
Dec 2013

There's nothing I can say to make things better but I do beleive that in time you will find that you are much better off without him.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
44. Hold your head up, take care of yourself,
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Dec 2013

don't do anything in haste or anger.
The decisions you make now are what your memories will be.
The first thing is to get him out of the house. Christmas? Forget that. He doesn't deserve to be there and there's no way to put on a pretty face and slog through it. He's asking you to be false here. I'm sure the kids know things aren't right, and if you cooperate with this charade as he is asking, you are teaching them the wrong lessons.
Sure, it will be sad, but you must get resolve together and get him out of your home NOW.
Do not talk this over with him.... he has already taken you and the kids out of the picture.
Your children will see you being calm but strong. Love them all you can.
Your husband is asking you to play nice, but he has broken the rules of the game.
Don't fall into the trap of having him around. Stand tall and be firm. It may be for a while or forever, but show everyone that you have the dignity of not allowing him to walk all over you.
Get representation asap and document EVERYTHING.

I'm sorry you are going through this, but suddenly you must take care of yourself first.
The fear of the unkown is VERY SCAREY when the person you trusted the most has been a worthless shit, but better times are ahead, and your friends and family will respect you for standing strong. My ex was fucking his new one in the house while I was at work and refused to leave the house. I moved out with my kids and never looked back. It was horrible, but now I have found the love of my life and we have been together over 20 years. It DOES get better.

TBF

(32,058 posts)
47. Hire a lawyer & kick his ass out -
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:08 PM
Dec 2013

he is the one who cheated. You did nothing wrong.

I had an almost two-year marriage years ago that was horrible & the therapy afterwards was almost as long. Even without children it was hard. But like so many others I threw myself into work, kept my therapy appointments, and eventually met someone else. We've been married over 12 years now.

You can do this.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
50. If you are in FL, you are in what is considered a long term marriage, so you should
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
Dec 2013

be recieving a full amt of child support and allimony. They do try to have a 50/ 50 joint custody situation between parents, but if he has been effectively "kicked" out of the house, he has left you, so he would have to work on establishing a "single-hood" residency that was able to hold 2 young children in a responsible manner. More than likely, the office fling, will be out the door with the amt of money coming from his pocket and having to share time/ space with another woman's children. (If it's FL, I have little respect for the women like these office persons who would step into someone's place without a single thought... If it is desperate love, then it is love that can wait for the proper process.)

The good thing is that there isn't a "seperation" period. As soon as the papers are filed, assets divided, and child care terms agreed upon, the Judge signs off and the contract of marriage is over. There is no 1 yr seperation BS in FL. It will seem callous and really harsh to disintigrate and emotional relationship by contractual seperation. Its why a good lawyer is necessary because a good one will get what you are entitled to, and will also be able to help you understand that this process is about as emotional and cold as a dead fish... It will suck.

But you are a woman and you will survive. That's what we are best at.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
51. First, just breathe. Many of us have been there and there is no pain in the world like it.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:50 PM
Dec 2013

But you will survive.

And be stronger.

Because one day you will realize that you have a life without him.

And that you can be happy without him.

You are allowed to grieve and you are allowed to be angry.

For you own sake and for you kids, try to keep things as civil as possible. It will be hard to begin with, but you will be glad later. (That said, do not be a door mat. Don't let him rob you of your self esteem or your self respect.)

And remember, like the old standby line goes, "It's not you. It's him." Because that is true. Right now he is in a very selfish place. Show him self respect and dignity. For your sake.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
52. I am so, so sorry
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:50 PM
Dec 2013

Same thing happened to me this summer, except the other woman was one of my best friends. In fact, as soon as I saw your title, without even reading your post, I thought, "I wonder if this is about infidelity".

In my case, I was completely blindsided, I thought we had a great marriage, had no idea he had been planning stuff with her for almost a year or that both of them (and her husband, they were polyamourous) were all in on it and lying to me. It's actually a long, sad story that I don't want to talk about here (or take away from your immediate crisis), but it's even worse in some ways than "just" infidelity (timing regarding some other personal stuff that was going on in my life when the affair was revealed, how my so-called friend treated me after the fact). It was definitely the worst day of my life when I found out too, and every day after that for months was nearly as bad. I have been through some really bad shit in my lifetime, but my husband's affair + friend's betrayal has trumped everything else by a mile. People who haven't been through a serious case of infidelity often underestimate the fallout - they cannot imagine the depth of unhappiness that infidelity causes (often as much for the cheater as for the betrayed spouse, believe it or not). I have heard people say that they would have rather have had cancer again rather than their spouse cheat on them, or that the loss of their child was not as emotionally hard as dealing with a spouse's affair.

Anyway, there's a good website out there that has kind of saved me over the last six months, called "Surviving Infidelity". I suggest you check it out immediately, BEFORE making any serious life decisions of any kind. Look for the forum called "Just Found Out", and read up about something they call the "180". People in your (our) situation don't always make good decisions when they really need to, because we are so emotionally distraught and confused - it can be extremely helpful to hear some rational viewpoints of people who have been there and are on the other side.

I am so, so sorry this happened to you. You cannot imagine how sorry I am, and I don't even know you. I wouldn't wish a surprise affair on my worst enemy.

Please PM me if you need someone to talk to. I don't know exactly how much practical assistance I can give you, as the situationwith my marriage is a bit different than yours and also I am in no way "healed" myself with regard to my own husband's infidelity. Also, that website I talked about has a lot of people on it that are anywhere from 1 day to 20 years away from their own experience with infidelity, and some of them have a lot of words of wisdom, especially for a brand-new betrayed spouse.

Anyway, I wish you the best. Someone out there is thinking of you right now. You are not alone, and you are not the only person this has ever happened to.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
55. I've been there and I know what it feels like
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:05 PM
Dec 2013

It is worse because you have kids, but it's like the weight of the world is dropped on you and your grief is unbearable. You will survive, but for now a support group would really be helpful. You need to just keep putting one foot in front of the other. It seems impossible now, but with time, you can find joy in your life again, and you have to do that for your sons. They probably won't take it quite as hard as you are. But they will be sad and you need to let them know they are loved by both of you, and had nothing to do with this. Even if this ends in divorce, let your husband be there for your boys if he is willing.

I am sorry you are having to go through this. I hope you have friends or family right now that can surround you. Just remember...one small step at a time.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
56. Sorry that your are being put through such pain
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:16 PM
Dec 2013

I am sure that things will get better for you. I went through a similar situation in which my wife left me for someone that she had been seeing for quite some time without my knowledge, it was a terrible experience, and it affected our sons far worse than it affected me. I would gently suggest that you think twice before your share any details of your situation here on DU, this is a public forum and there are thousands of unregistered viewers.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
57. I am gonna go the other way here....
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:17 PM
Dec 2013

and suggest that you and your husband make an effort to repair your marriage. Yes he cheated on you and that hurts. Yes he became emotionally available to someone else instead of you. For that he is an asshole.

But

Men suck. we really do. We get to a certain age and we want things other than what we have. That goes for jobs, women, cars etc..... Add on that he had emotional problems (the Meds for anxiety) and you got a guy, who i guess is about 45-50 who is in crisis. He can't tell you that he is in crisis, because he has always been the rock of the family, they guy you thought you knew. So he fell in with someone else. Yeah it is wrong, but it happens.

One thing that is not true is that age old adage "if he cheats once he will cheat again". Not likely. He is cheating right now, and may be in love at the moment, but once that plays out (and with your discovery, the end of that is near), he will come back.

if you divorce him and get aggressive with him, he will drop out of your lives. He will resent the children and find every encounter unpleasant. And your kids, well they will suffer hugely in this. You will suffer greatly yourself because now you have a very difficult situation with every encounter and every moment of your life. Dealing with schedules, broken hearts (and as a divorced Dad, I know all about those) and joint custody etc is very very hard.

And if the divorce and child custody gets ugly, it gets ugly. I mean worse than ugly.
Once the shock wears off (Like a week or so, once you think you can be in the same room with him without killing him) try to find out if it is saveable. My guess that it is. Gonna take a lot of work, a lot of concessions and your relationship will change considerably, but after 20 years, y'all need to work it out. Trust me there is a lot of buildt up stuff this guy is carrying around inside him and it is all stuff he cannot tell you, or couldn't until now. Sure there is a lot of that going on with you as well.

So try to work it out, everyone will be much better off if you do I think. Yeah, you have to forgive him. It happens all the time and you get past it.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
85. No, no and, in case you missed it: NO.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:53 AM
Dec 2013

Oh, marriages can survive infidelity. Oh, men can't talk about their feelings. There's something worth saving. Bull and shit.

I just don't believe this crap. He made a conscious choice to have an affair. Nobody held a gun to his head. He was thinking straight enough to lie about what was going on, and hide what he was doing.

My advice:

#1 First thing Monday morning, go get at least half of any savings and checking out of the bank. Do it before he clears the accounts. Think he won't? You didn't think he'd cheat on you, either. Be safe, rather than sorry. Think of your children, if you can't think of yourself.

#2 Next, go straight to a divorce lawyer and get proceedings started. Don't wait for him to do it. Don't wait for him to decide he's made a mistake.. Make sure you get someone who will fight for you and your children.

#3 Kick his ass out. Unless the lawyer says otherwise, don't leave the home. He should leave.

#4 Don't even think about taking him back. Not now, and not ever.

#5 Get a counselor for you and the children. Divorce doesn't have to be the worse thing for them or for you.

#6 He's in the wrong, not you. You don't have anything to feel guilty about. Remember, he's the one who cheated, whether there was a physical relationship or not (and I'd bet there was, no matter what he says).

I say all of this as a woman who's been through it. My sons were 14 and 12. I wish I'd gotten some counseling for them, and for me. I might have not walked into another bad relationship if I had, and my youngest might not have believed stuff his father said and hated me. I had to finally tell them why the marriage ended. That was hard.

The ex told me once, he didn't know what I was so upset about, it wasn't like I had any feelings. I tried and tried to make the marriage work. I went years being the only person who tried, while he cheated on me over and over again. Guess who got blamed for that?

After two nervous breakdowns, I finally got strong enough to kick him out. Think of all that time I wasted on a man who didn't love me! I was so messed up, I ended up making a bad choice, got another kid to raise, and was once again on the losing end of an adulterer.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this, but know that you will come out the other side. Things will get better. Your kids will be okay. You will be okay.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
124. that BS only works if both sides are willing to work on it hard enough.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:00 PM
Dec 2013

You can't get anywhere unless BOTH sides want to.

I've never seen a cheater stop cheating.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
126. Agreed, both sides need to work on it......
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:28 PM
Dec 2013

and well you are wrong. I've cheated in my past relationships, but not since forever, so I did not continue cheating. In fact, one thing I was pretty proud of in my most recent marriage was that I did not cheat even though many of the same problems existed.....I've known a bunch of guys that once cheated but don't any more. So your bucket does not tar all of us.

And as men age, and this probably has a shit load to do with the "why" here, we lose it. We are not as sexed, things don't work properly as they once did and that is scary shit to deal with. "Is it me, or my wife or us or what?" At the same time the sex you are having becomes ordinary and your partner less attractive. She also dotes on the children without much time for relationship stuff with her husband. And if she works, then there is NO time for husbanding. She is not starved for affection however, she has the kids to dote on and have them love her back.

The guy's got none of that. He comes home to the family, then argues about homework, drives the kids around to this and that, finally eats dinner and goes to bed. He spends no time with the kids really to speak of. If both parents work, the Mom does most of the appointments, arrangements etc with the children. So she has not time at all for him and that puts him out in the cold emotionally with no one to talk to...

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
58. I am so sorry to hear you are dealing with this crap.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:20 PM
Dec 2013

I am sure that it seems especially shitty being that it is the holiday season. Please know that you are not alone in this in anyway shape or form. While I know your concern is with your kids, you mentioned that they are quite young kids are very resilient & while they may have lots of questions at first they will adjust a lot quicker than you will. Your kids will give you strengh. Please make your focus on the future & not about him & his stupid shit (i know it's easier said than done).

Make sure you take the advice of everyone about documenting everything for the divorce, but don't let the stress consume you.

Stay strong, this is just a bump in the road.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
59. I hope you will let someone help you.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:28 PM
Dec 2013

I think that support groups are good for helping people deal with breaking up.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
60. been there....
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:29 PM
Dec 2013

it gets a little bit better each and every day...it took me three years before i found someone i trusted. almost 40 yrs and we are still together.

make sure you go to a recommended counselor.

kag

(4,079 posts)
62. I know you're getting a lot of advice here...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:43 PM
Dec 2013

and it will be difficult to "find your own way". But you will. I know that sounds petty, but you sound like a strong person, even if you're not feeling very strong now.

Know that you have friends you can rely on, even here on DU. So use those resources, and take care of yourself and your kids. Let your friends and family help you. Let us help you.

I know many people who have gone through what you are experiencing, and I know how devastating it is. I am so, so sorry that you must go through this, especially at this time of year, but there's never a good time to get kicked in the gut like you have been.

Sending strength and warm thoughts your way.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
63. It sucks
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:44 PM
Dec 2013

Been there,it pissed me off to the point that I packed up the entire house and me and my 5 and 8 year old boys moved 500 miles away within 3 days of me finding out.
Got to where I was going,rented a house and filed for 100% custody within a month of being there and got it,she never showed up even tho she had been served a summons.

This was 20 years ago,and I don't regret a thing.

Response to LukeFL (Original post)

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
69. Some things in life transcend politics. This one of them.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:33 PM
Dec 2013

This woman is devastated and you bring politics into it? That really lacks class. You should self-delete.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
84. Neither Obama or Bill Clinton got a majority of the White Male vote....
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:16 AM
Dec 2013

Women are what put them over the top.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
115. Some things are universal....
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:20 PM
Dec 2013

Most of my friends are women because most men are assholes.

Ask most women.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
66. omg, I've so been there. huge hugs to you.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:15 PM
Dec 2013

I know exactly what you are feeling. I had 4 young children at the time. He had been cheating for over a year. If you want to talk, let me know if you want me to pm you or you can pm me. In the beginning I had to talk with someone who had been there, I felt like my life was over I had to know there was hope. And there is, but you won't be able to see it in your own situation for awhile. Right now you have to concentrate on getting through each moment, each hour. It's the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But you can do it and it will get better.

I can't send enough of these to make a difference, I know, but here are a few anyway. Know if you were here I'd give you a big giant hug in person.

 

AuntFester

(57 posts)
67. I hope you can quickly find some peace.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:30 PM
Dec 2013

My first husband was an abusive %^*#?. My current husband of 24 years is the love of my life and the best (step)father to our kids.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
68. You aren't the first woman this has happened to and you won't be the last.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:31 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)

What you need to do now is get a good night's sleep. Tomorrow morning you need to lawyer up. The sooner you do this, the better, since he will have less time to hide assets.

You need to protect your kids and make sure they don't suffer poverty as well as loss.

Some men are serial polygamists. One thing you can be rock solid sure of is that if he's doing this to you and his kids, he will do the same thing to his homewrecking girlfriend down the road.

ETA: yes, the sexes can be reversed here, but this is for the OP.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
91. I told him to leave the house
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:56 AM
Dec 2013

We had a big fight, I questioned all his calls and texts and I slapped him. It was ugly. I confess I should have probably not do that but I was hurt. He denies any wrong doing with this woman. When I asked him why was doing this to me and his kids his response was that what is happening between me and him has nothing to do with the kids. That he loved his kids and will never abandoned them.

That statement was more of a blow to me. How can he say what is happening has nothing to do with the kids? Their lives will be turned upside. How they will turn out to be in the future has a lot to do with us.
He just doesn't get it. How selfish can he be that he can't see this ultimately have to do with their security? Future personalities? Was I the only married?

I have so many questions to ask him.. But I can't stop crying. He left tonight. I couldn't see him. I am devastated.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
128. Lawyer up.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:50 PM
Dec 2013

I mean it.

It's like they hand men a script at birth to follow when they get restless and start cheating. They lie and gaslight and try to make out like they are misunderstood and aggrieved.

The truth is that they were bored with life and followed their dicks to some other woman.

A lawyer will protect your interests if it comes down to divorce. If it doesn't, insist on counseling at the least.

Oh, and get tested for STDs. It won't break the bank and can save your health and life.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
133. Was it in anger or haste?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:56 PM
Dec 2013

I probably should say here that you shouldn't slap him again. Have you ever hit him before? He can use that against you, so be careful and be sure all your actions are calm. You don't have to talk to him. Not really sure about FL law, but you might ask your lawyer if you can pack up his stuff for him. Until you have filed, I doubt you can change the locks. After you file, ask what your rights are. You need some legal representation now.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
135. It's the first time I do this
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 08:15 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:43 AM - Edit history (1)

I have never hit him before and it's going to be the last time. I am not a violent person but I felt as if he had just punched my stomach. I felt an emptyness and the reaction was to slapped him.

I later apologized to him for that when he sent me a text telling me that he would never want to see me again. Of course that was yesterday, today he's been wanting to know for my well being asking me if Iam doing ok. - I guess for him to not feel guilty-

I told him to keep his conversations with me limited to our children.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
139. ...about your sons....
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:03 AM
Dec 2013

Talk to your lawyer, then talk to administration at their school and let them know that they are not to release your children to anyone but you. Bring this up to your lawyer first, and ask about this particular issue.
I am thinking if you and I am very sorry that you are going through this. You have to put your shields up around you and your kids, and that's probably the last thing you ever expected. Do you work?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
140. And what right do you think she has to do this?
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:30 AM
Dec 2013

That is terrible advice. You have no reason nor right to do that. You are saying he cheated not abused. Withholding the children may not be looked upon favorably by a judge. Now if you want some good advice...be calm, do not hit him again, do not talk negative about him to the children freeze yourjoint credit cards and get a lawyer

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
146. I told her first
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 03:04 PM
Dec 2013

to talk to her lawyer about this. Perhaps you missed that part. If anyone could just pick them up from school, that would complicate matters. That's why I suggested she TALK TO HER LAWYER for advice on this.
If her husband said "he didn't want to see her ever again" , how would he see his children? People do all sorts of weird stuff in a divorce. Stressing again here she needs legal advice.I've been through it, so I know a bit about it and the horrible things someone can do.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
72. I am so sorry.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:57 PM
Dec 2013

You must be freaking out. Not t hat this is any consolation right know, but I know people that were blind-sided from the same thing, got through it (it was tough) but came through happier than ever. The children aspect is so hard.

You can still fight for it...counseling, communicating...I've also known people where one had an affair and they got through it.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
73. Get a lawyer. Immediately. Remove every single piece of.paper that documents income, taxes
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:02 PM
Dec 2013

bills, insurance etc...out of the house and make copies.

Copy the.texts and emails.

Get your children's personal ppaers out of the house. If they have passports give them to your lawyer immediately.

Drain the accounts.

You will have time later to mourn. Right now you need to get moving to preserve your and your children's future.

mia

(8,360 posts)
76. I know what you're going through.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:15 PM
Dec 2013

Hire the best lawyer in town. You're soon to be ex will have to pay for it.

I'm sorry for the sadness that you're going through. it will take a while. but you'll feel a better every day. You'll get used to seeing this man at your children's events for the rest of your life. When you see him, you will feel no remorse, but he will.
Been there, still doing that.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
78. Feels like a sledgehammer doesn't it.....
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:33 PM
Dec 2013
Mine didn't cheat - that I know of - but was trying to stash assets and the business he had started. We were having problems, but I figured that since we had been together since HS that things would work out. It got damn ugly, damn fast. A good lawyer is your best bet. Mediation only works when both parties are honorable people....

Hold your children close, and see a therapist ASAP !!

I am not even 1/2 way through this divorce yet... It'll get tough. Reach down inside yourself to a memory of you being the strong one (calling out a bully, defending someone...) and hold onto it. You are still that person. The next few days could be worse - they were for me. Therapist and Lawyer ASAP.
 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
79. CORRECTION: the worst day of your life was yesterday, when you did NOT know that you are on the
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:37 PM
Dec 2013

wrong path because the only thing worse than knowing your s.o. is cheating on you is N OT knowing that your s.o. is cheating on you.

Your best days are yet ahead of you my friend. You begin the journey to know yourself.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
81. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:41 PM
Dec 2013

Something similar happened to me too. You're not alone. I hope you get to a place in you're life soon where you feel like you can breathe again and smile.
This is not your fault. You don't owe him anything, so no fake smiling for him and putting on an act to make his life easier. Some people are selfish as hell and we have to let them go for our own health and emotional well being. You don't have to put your life on hold waiting for him to get it together anymore, you can start living again and enjoying yourself.

Also, I know this has already been mentioned, but, make sure he pays his fair share. Leaving his family should not be financially benificial for him. It should cost him some money, time, stress, etc. it's probably already costing you all of the above and half of that burden should be his. Make him take responsibility for raising his own children. Don't let him live it up and run around and party while you're at home raising the children. He needs to realize that leaving you doesn't mean he gets to leave them. He needs to wipe butts and give baths and rides to school and all of the everyday tasks associated with raising children. I've told my husband that if he ever leaves, he gets 3 and a half days a week to spend with his lovely daughters. I'd rather him keep his money and be a father than to receive a pitiful child support check and raise them alone.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
82. I'm so sorry LukeFL.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:45 PM
Dec 2013
What a shock it must have been. I know this sounds trite and cliche, but I'm sure you've heard "when one door closes another one opens". Maybe fulfilling all that you were meant to be will be some good that comes out of this, though I know how hard it is to imagine. Lean on your friends and family .... it really is a grieving process, and one you can get through. I really am sorry for the hurt he's caused.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
83. Very sorry to hear that. You've been given some great advice on this thread.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:02 AM
Dec 2013

Definitely go to a support group....you'll find out that the thing you thought could never happen has happened lots, and that there are people that understand what you're going through because they've been there.

I know it sounds corny, and maybe inappropriate to say right now, but hang in there and you actually WILL laugh about this some day. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
87. Awful thing to happen. Sorry you're having to deal with it.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:53 AM
Dec 2013

IF he wasn't selfish, he wouldn't be cheating in the first place.

IF he wasn't selfish, he would have waited until AFTER Christmas to drop this bomb on you so you could have REALLY thought everything was fine and given the kids one last good memory before ending a long term marriage.

Mid-life crises and letting his little head rule his life it sounds like.

YOU will survive and someday you'll be in a much better place.

THIS kind of struggle makes you into someone stronger and more sure of herself in the long run.

Bit by bit piece by piece you will become someone who can recognize a person who is worthy of trust and who is willing to earn that trust. You'll make stronger friendships and feel more in touch with your own abilities in many areas you relied on him or others for.

You may become fiercely independent for a time but eventually you'll go from co-dependence where your life is wrapped up in someone else to INTER-dependence where you rely on people not because you CAN'T do things for yourself, but because it's good and right to do for others and let them do for you as well.

You'll have a lot of tough choices, but learning to be empowered by choice will feed your soul something it may have missed out on all these years. It will be freeing not to have to always worry, well can I do x or y? What will "he" think? Because your decisions will consider others, but also consider yourself and doing what is right for you will make your life and your kid's lives better.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
90. Pay close attention to what has already been said here
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:23 AM
Dec 2013

about getting a good attorney, protecting your own interests.

And keep in mind that YOU DID NOTHING WRONG.

In the long run, how much you get in the divorce will be a function of whether or not your state is a no fault divorce sate or a fault divorce state. It sucks to be in the first, as I can tell you. However, do not give up one penny of what you are entitled to.

He has chosen to end the marriage. He still has financial obligations to you and the children. Do NOT let him out of them for any reason whatsoever.

For what it's worth, my personal experience is this: after 25 years of marriage my now ex met someone he decided he'd rather be with. I let the divorce proceedings drag on long enough to allow him to find an attorney who made sure that I got the rock bottom minimum of what I was entitled to. As angry as I am about that, I will say that I moved 800 miles to a different state and started a new life. I wish I had more money, but I am happy with where I am now.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
92. If you want to really jar him back into reality,
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:14 AM
Dec 2013

go to your bank, credit union, etc and freeze the accounts RIGHT NOW!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
101. Sorry, I see that as bad advice.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:45 AM
Dec 2013

The moment you start taking pre-emptive, hostile actions, the more you compromise your own position.

That's what my ex did. Left with with virtually nothing. I came through it okay but the judge did not appreciate her doing this 'because my attorney recommended it'.

Better to transfer half the accounts to a personal one.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
111. I guess we'll have to disagree. 20 years is a lot of time to
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:34 AM
Dec 2013

accumalate wealth. It could be the trigger to wake his ass up. My wife did it to me when I went crazy and we're still together.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
112. Not everyone is open to being 'woken up'. But congrats to you for being one of them!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:39 AM
Dec 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
93. Some good suggestions here. I encourage you to hire a barracuda lawyer ASAP.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:37 AM
Dec 2013

One poster said give your kids' passports to your lawyer. I second that.

Sorry this is happening to you.


 

randome

(34,845 posts)
94. Sorry for what you're going through.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:50 AM
Dec 2013

I would add only one thing to the advice on this thread. Hire a good attorney, yes, but make your own decisions. Do not do anything simply because an 'expert' told you to do it.

Do not over-react. That can come back to bite you in a courtroom.

No affairs were involved in my divorce but my ex definitely over-reached and paid a price for that. Not only in the court siding with me for most matters but in the enormous expenses she was saddled with from her attorney.

Find an attorney you can trust but make sure you consider every aspect yourself.

Best of luck.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
96. Stop beating up on yourself at this very minute.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:12 AM
Dec 2013

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I realize you are in your pain. But the first thing you must do is stop blaming yourself for another persons actions. You cannot make a person respect you or your marriage if it is not what they want to do. It is how you handle the situation that will show what your true character is made of. you have two small sons who will need extra love and understanding from their mom. Yes this shit hurts like hell, but you can do this. The strength of a good person or parent runs deep. You just need to go to the Well of love and pull some up for yourself. I understand that when you love someone you expect that they feel the same way. He may. People do have affairs. Doesn't make it right but it happens. This may not be the one for you. Instead of focusing on the hurt and pain, focus on moving forward. Yes you will cry. Yes you may lose weight. Yes you will hurt. But as you take steps to healing and finding yourself, you will find recovery. You will find strength that lets you know you and your children are Worthy of a love that respects the love you give. Humans have flaws. If your husband was any other man you would shake your head. It is those that we let get close that can hurt us the most. You want to save your Marriage. Just be sure you are up for the fight. And ask yourself will you spend the next 20 years wanting someone who doesn't want you. This is no longer about HIM. It is about YOU. Get an attorney. Seek counseling for you and your children. Don't forget to charge it to his Health Care Plan. If you don't have insurance or money for an attorney, check with Legal Aid for attorney and Community Health Department for low cost or free counseling. And start Trusting yourself with Your eyes Open. Or you could do this

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
99. {{{LukeFL}}}
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:34 AM
Dec 2013

I'm so sorry you're going through this - you and your children. First know this is not your fault - he's the one who has done something terrible. If you really feel the marriage cannot be saved - that you would never be able to forgive him for this betrayal (and I mean really forgive - not throw it into arguments 10 years from now), then you need to find yourself the best lawyer you can. You need to protect yourself and your children. If he and the situation he has created means you have to play hardball to get that protection, you need to take a deep breath and do it.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
103. This sucks - and you're going to be grieving for a while
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:57 AM
Dec 2013

But please don't take any of the "revenge" advice listed in this thread. As one person pointed out, this will not help and may even hurt you in court.

The only offense I suggest to play is being the first to file for divorce - it's better off not being the defendant.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
108. I agree with the no 'revenge' thing.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:24 AM
Dec 2013

That kind of sets the stage for a long, drawn out battle which doesn't do anything good for the kids.


LukeFL -
It's horribly painful now. Get a lawyer and have an initial discussion. When you think you can, set up a meeting with your husband and have a calm talk. Base what happens next on that talk.

irisblue

(32,973 posts)
104. this happened to me in 6 months ago
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:02 AM
Dec 2013

DU has a support group for those of us who are dealing with seperation and divorce. PM me if you want to talk about this. I was so blindsided by that news I could barely function. (((HUGS))). He is a jerk and you did nothing wrong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
105. It's called Middle Aged Crazy and it happens. I have some practical thoughts for you.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:04 AM
Dec 2013

There are a lot of things you can do, and you should consider them all--here are my ideas.

You could call up his paramour and tell her that her new life with YOUR soon-to-be-ex-husband not only includes children, but that if he goes through a divorce, you just may INSIST on shared custody, (say this even if you don't mean it) so you hope she'll be good to your children and make sure they are up and dressed and get to school each day--- and while you're chatting, let her know that her love is in debt up to his ass--believe me, nothing cools ardor faster than learning that your sophisticated lover is actually a farting, everyday bum who owes money. Give her a full rundown of all his bills, and make sure she knows she's taking them on, because ya can't get blood out of a stone and things are gonna cost more if two households need to be supported! Also, make sure she knows that he's on medications, and tell her that she'll be sorry if she doesn't keep him on those meds (say it direly--no one likes to picture their lover as some sort of weak-ass emotional wreck). Tell her you're bummed out because of the children, that your life has been shattered, but you are being practical---if he's made his mind up, your CHILDREN are your first priority and since she's entering the picture as a "caregiver" to your beautiful babies, you want the air cleared (What? A CAREgiver! She probably would resent two weekends a month--let her know it'll be more than that! Also, if you aren't working, let her know that even if they move, you'll move too, so that the children can live part time with their father....see where I'm going, here?).

Also, if the kids have any issues--emotional, medical, intellectual, scholastic--tell her you'd like to get together some time so you two can go over them, because it's not easy being a mom, and being a step-mom is soooooo much more difficult, and you want your children to adjust to their new life with as less stress as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if that homewrecker slaps on her Nikes and runs like hell, if you do this right.

He may not be so quick to divorce if his new squeeze dumps him. Where's he gonna live? He probably thinks he's gonna move into her place--if she dumps him, where's he gonna go?

Now, the question remains, if the girlfriend dumps him--it takes two to tango, and your spouse has behaved like a total shitheel....do you have sufficient forgiveness in your heart to take the bum back? I understand "for the sake of the children" but damn, if you do forgive him, you make sure you RESPECT yourself. Get some counseling no matter what happens, even if you let the liar walk. If you take him back, tell him that it's not optional for him to get some, too.

Good luck to you. One door closes, another opens. What seems awful now might be the best thing that ever happened to you in a year or two. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but time has a way of granting perspective.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
106. I hope the love being sent to you by our DU community helps in some small way.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:06 AM
Dec 2013

It is real and you deserve that and much much more.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
109. Some very good advice in this thread.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:25 AM
Dec 2013

Follow it and always keep in mind, that at some point you will be seeing this in your rear view mirror. As much as it hurts, feel the pain and then work on letting it go. For good or bad, you are going to have the connection to this man thru your sons for the foreseeable future, for your own sake, try not to let bitterness infest you.

I don't mean to minimize how deeply this sort of betrayal wounds us, I've been there too, it's devastating, but you have know that you can get past it and be better for the experience. Keep reaching out for support, there's more around than we ever expect.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
110. LukeFL, the essential person in this dramatic triangle is you...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
Dec 2013

Be especially loving and compassionate with yourself right now. If you're not emotionally healthy, you can't be there for the boys.
YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON at this time.
Boston bean offers some sage advice here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024143016#post4

ETA: Don't fall into the "hate trap". All of the hatred and enmity will only rebound back onto you and the kids. Tap into your inner positive energy and let the hate wither away. You don't have to continue to adore him, but don't hate him. Easier said than done, I know...

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
114. Sorry to hear this...Been there
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:10 PM
Dec 2013

My only advice would be to get a good lawyer, a good family counselor, keep things amicable and put the kids welfare before anything else.

Response to LukeFL (Original post)

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
121. He has no idea what he is asking for.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:17 PM
Dec 2013

If one or both of those kids goes south, it is on him. You should try anything to avoid getting a divorce when you have young kids. Positive Psychology teaches us that people who think they can get out of a commitment are unhappier living with it. Your husband needs to know there is no way out but forward. No kids, no problem. But once you have kids, your life is a one way street surrounded with electrified barbed wire.

Get couples therapy. Your husband won't believe anything you say, but he needs to do couples therapy for the kids. He needs to hear what he might be getting all of you into and what he is losing out on. He needs to know that someone besides you has warned him.

If he doesn't stick it out after that, make sure the kids are taken care of while they are small. Make sure they form good study habits and make sure you spend time together. Form relationships. They won't raise themselves. If you do, I think you will have a rewarding life, although it will be more difficult. You will grow and find someone else.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
122. "The worst day" is now over - things will get better from here...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:23 PM
Dec 2013

I hope you and the kids get all the support you need from family and friends.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
125. I feel sad for you BUT
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:16 PM
Dec 2013

On Monday as soon as the bank opens, you must open a new account in your name only, and use funds in the joint account to do it, If you can, take out the max at the atm today and tomorrow
.. Do NOT chat with the banker abut why you are opening a NEW ACCOUNT. Perhaps tell them someone stole your purse and with it your debit card.

Call all your credit card companies & have them issue new cards

It's pretty obvious that he will be leaving the home, but he will not be taking the expenses with him.

and please do call a lawyer.

He has obviously thought all this out and he may have beaten you to the bank accounts, but you have to protect your kids..so do not be afraid to be bold..

It sucks that it's Xmas time, but reach out to family & friends, and do not sugar-coat what has happened.. You will be okay but for now it will hurt like hell,,

Trust in YOU!!!

searchingforlight

(1,401 posts)
127. She is not getting the man you married. She is getting the much used model.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:02 PM
Dec 2013

She is getting his old age and skid marks on the underwear. She is getting all the things you are being saved from. My advice is to fall in love with yourself. You are the greater prize. NEVER say anything bad about him to your children or put them in the middle. Their relationship with BOTH parents is paramount to their emotional well-being. Develop your support base. After your divorce is final don't deny yourself physical intimacy. Love may or may not come again but you are in your sexual prime and when you get older you will be sorry you didn't explore it more. Good luck.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
130. Just wanted to check in.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:43 AM
Dec 2013

I know you are just an internet stranger, but I have been thinking about you a lot this weekend. Hope you are doing ok (as well as can be expected, anyway).

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
131. Be prepared
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:03 PM
Dec 2013

he has been thinking and planning this for months and blind sided you with this. It is your job now to protect yourself and your kids from any further damage he may try to inflict.

He will use your love and trust to his advantage, even your anger. So please get a lawyer ASAP and direct all communication through him.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
134. Do you get along with his parents?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:27 PM
Dec 2013

Tell them all about this. Be sweet, but tell them. My bet is that he hasn't. Don't cry to them, just tell them.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
138. I am so sorry, LukeFL...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:16 PM
Dec 2013

I can't imagine it. When I married Ginny, I took the whole "'til death do us part" thing very seriously, even through the ups and downs. She was my best friend, and at times my only friend.

You have a lot of friends and support on this thread, and I wish you love and happiness down the line.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
145. I'm so sorry.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:05 PM
Dec 2013

Loss is loss and you need some time to grieve and then get on with your life. Same thing happened to my neighbor and her husband of thirty years. It turns out he had girlfriends all the time they were married. People came forward who knew when they learned she had divorced.

Today, she has a group of friends she socializes with and of course her children and grandchildren. She's quite happy and looking for a new special somebody. She has no affection for her ex because she realizes how deceitful he was and not the person she thought she once loved.

You will smile again.

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