State attorney's report: Video of Jameis Winston encounter deleted

[Are_grits_groceries]

Jameis Winston's teammate had a partial video of the sexual encounter between Winston and his accuser but later deleted it, according to documents from the state attorney's investigation released Friday.

More than 200 pages of documents by the State Attorney's Office reveal every step of the sexual assault investigation that ended with no charges against the Florida State quarterback. But the interview notes, text messages and social media records offer few major details about the incident from Dec. 7, 2012.
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That memo revealed investigators told Winston's accuser there were "several perceived problems with the case," including a second DNA found on her pants. The DNA found on her underwear was linked to Winston. The woman didn't identify the source of the DNA on her pants, but investigators later matched it to her boyfriend, who was living in Ohio.

The memo also showed a few dead-ends in the investigation. Winston's teammate, Chris Casher, recorded part of the sexual encounter but later deleted it and discarded that phone. Investigators couldn't find the deleted Twitter or Facebook accounts of the woman, aside from a few images.
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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/state-attorneys-report-video-of-jameis-winston-encounter-deleted/2155871

I hope these item are wandering around somewhere on the interwebs and somebody finds them.
I had not heard about any video recordings. This video might provide a little more clarity.

In addition, it amazes me when investigators get alibis from family and friends. They seem to say okay and mark off the person they are vouching for. The people who provided affadavits in the Winston case were his fellow football players.

There were problems with the victim's memory. They found no trace of roofies. I wonder if there is another drug that has the same effect that nobody knows to check for.

This has been a hot mess. Because the cops waited a year before the state's attorney got the case, who knows what evidence was lost. Winston was not charged, but Meggs was very careful not to say he was innocent.

[exboyfil]

1. So the woman willingly had this pervert

video her in this encounter and a few hours later report it as rape???? I don't think so.

[tazkcmo]

2. where

does it say SHE had him video tape it? Where does it say she even knew?

[exboyfil]

4. I think that is my point

If she did not want to be videotaped then it destroys the credibility of this pervert that this was consensual. The fact that it was videoed implies that she is being exploited without her knowledge at a minimum and may have been raped.

[tazkcmo]

5. Reread your post

Guess I better make coffee! So glad you cleared that up for me. Thank you.

[seabeyond]

3. ah, the boys had their video to go back, get off on. then they got rid of the video. even the phone

ya. nothing insidious here.

[tazkcmo]

6. I'm sure the NSA is on it.

They don't seem to be stopping anything bad from happening so they must have the time to find that phone or the video is probably in their database already.

[erpowers]

7. Looks Bad

The fact that this guy deleted the video and discarded the phone looks bad. If the encounter was actually consensual why would he delete the video and discard the phone. It was not enough for him to just delete the video he had to get rid of the phone. Maybe there was no wrong doing in the video and the actions of the young man were just the stupid actions of a 19 or 20 year old person, but it seems if someone goes through that much trouble to assure a video is not seen there is likely something bad in that video. It seems that if the encounter was consensual he would have wanted to keep the video and hand it over to the police. That video could have been concrete evidence that the sex was consensual.

[LisaL]

41. I have to agree.

If the encounter was consensual, the video would be a proof of innocence. So why delete it?

[cureautismnow]

8. Did they even test for roofies?

Look on Page 77 of this report that describes the drugs they routinely test.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/189921841/Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents

Do you see "roofies?" The other names of the drug are Flunitrazepam, Narcozep, Rohypnol, Rohipnol, and Roipnol. I don't see them.

Another thing, the Tallahassee Police Dept. collected blood and urine from the victim on December 7, 2012. A report on the link above says those specimens were sent to the lab to be analyzed on January 17, 2013. Shouldn't the specimens have been sent to the lab on December 7, 2012? I guess it doesn't matter if you don't test for a well known date rape drug, anyway. You can't find what you aren't looking for.

Lastly, there are certainly discrepancies in Darby's and Casher's testimony. One says the accuser performed oral sex on JW, while on her knees. The other said said that she was seated on the bed during that act. The rape kit did not indicate that oral sex was conducted. The saliva DNA on her face was from Winston, which would collaborate her account of him licking her face while raping her. There were bruises and red spots on her feet, knees, and forearms that would be consistent with her trying to fight him off, while he was pinning her down.

This was a cover-up. Pure and simple.

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. I love when internet detectives solve crimes.

[cureautismnow]

15. I love it when public servants do their jobs.

[Calista241]

60. Roofies

Isn't Rohypnol the "official" medical term for roofies?

[Kurska]

11. Yes

page 15, look for toxicology.

[cureautismnow]

13. It's not on the list provided on Page 77.

It says he tested for 172 substances on page 15, but Flunitrazepam is not on that supplemental list provided on page 77.

[Kurska]

14. Search for Bruce Goldberger using the lookup keyword function.

[NaturalHigh]

12. Uh...rohypnol is "roofies."

Sometimes GHB is also considered a form of roofies.

[Kurska]

17. Link

On 11/15/13, XX's toxicology kit was submitted to Dr. Bruce Goldberger of the University of
Florida Pathology Laboratories for a second evaluation. Dr. Golberger tested for other possible
drugs that may have been in XX's system causing her to black out and have a spotty memory. All
tests were negative for 172 different drugs or drug metabolites. Dr. Goldberger determined the
blood alcohol content to be .04g/dL and the urine alcohol content to be .09 g/dL. The blood that
was sent to Dr. Golberger was resubmitted to FDLE to confirm the blood that was tested was that
of XX. DNA analysis confirmed the blood tested was that of XX.

A toxicology screening for knock out drugs is going to cover roofies, looking at a list of what is "commonly' screened for isn't relevant to a toxicology screening. They aren't going to list 172 drugs separately, if you want to email and inquire for the full list of drugs, I'm sure they would be happy to provide it.

[cureautismnow]

18. Perhaps, but is sitting on collected specimens from rape accusers for 40+ days customary?

I would think that the samples should have been submitted to the lab immediately to avoid degradation, no?

[Kurska]

19. Depends on the case, Often that is exactly what has to happen in incredibly overworked departments.

I can't speak to the nature of degradation in samples like that, but I imagine that if they had been allowed to spoil that would be immediately evident to the Doctor testing it and he would have reported that.

Highly doubt some guy from UF is going to risk his Doctorate to help the FSU football team.

[cureautismnow]

20. These guidelines say get the specimens to the lab ASAP

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"Evidence collected from the victim of a suspected DFC must be properly sealed and secured. Biological specimens should be stored at 2-8 °C to help prevent degradation. Specimens should be transported refrigerated to the laboratory as quickly as possible; in any event minimizing the time they are kept at temperatures above 25 °C."

http://www.unodc.org/documents/scientific/forensic_analys_of_drugs_facilitating_sexual_assault_and_other_criminal_acts.pdf

Being "overworked" is not an excuse for not doing your job.

(edited to fix the link)

[Kurska]

21. It isn't overworked persay, it is a matter of having insufficient resources.

Most police departments in the united states have a crazy backlog of evidence that needs to be tested.

Those guidlines seem to talk about getting them in storage ASAP, once they in storage they are generally good to sit around for a bit.

[cureautismnow]

22. Fixed the link.

It says get them to the LAB as soon as possible, not get them to storage as soon as possible.

If your loved one was raped, you'd be good with the PD sitting around with the evidence for over a month? It's not like the testing lab is in another part of the state or country. The TPD and the toxicology department for the FDLE are both located in Tallahassee.

[Kurska]

23. You're misunderstanding what they are saying

"Specimens should be transported refrigerated to the laboratory as quickly as possible; in any event minimizing the time they are kept at temperatures above 25 °C."

It is clearly saying that they need to be moved from storage to the lab refrigerated and as quickly as possible. I'm almost 100% sure that specimens can be kept around for weeks, months and sometimes years before they spoil if kept cold. If by some craziness the evidence in this case did go bad, the lab tech would have made a note of it.

It is condescending to ask me what I would LIKE to happen, when all I am doing is informing you about the reality of police work in our country. There is a massive amount of evidence to be tested and very little resources to do it.

[cureautismnow]

25. It clearly says the lab is where it should be sent asap, not kept at the PD

If they are to be stored before analyzing, they need to be stored at the lab. The TPD did not do this. THEY kept it.

If there is a backlog at the lab, resources should be expended to get them up to speed. Agree? No one should have to wait around weeks or months for public servants to do their jobs.

[Kurska]

26. Firstly I'm not going to claim to be aware of the capabilities of Tallahassee police for toxicology

I would assume that they would be capable of doing it themselves, however might no be the case. My reading of the information is that it was moved from Tallahassee to UF a facility (in gainesville). It also took a month for them to do the toxicology report. Now I imagine that the reason it took so long is that there was probably a huge backlog of other toxicology reports that need to be done, but I can't say for sure. I'm just extrapolating off what I know from other police departments.

The bottom line is that it appeared to have been stored well, if it wasn't that would be mentioned in the report of the UF toxicologist. It isn't that they are underspeed, it is that their resources available are massively out of sync with the demand. The only way to fix that is to vastly expand the resources available and good luck doing that considering every aspect of government is getting cut or scaled back these days. It isn't that public servants aren't doing their job it is that we aren't giving them the resources to do their job faster.

[cureautismnow]

27. You are misunderstanding. There were 2 separate reports.

The first toxicology report was done in Tallahassee by the FDLE. The date of the alleged rape was December 7th, 2012. The toxicologists In Tally received the specimens from the TPD on January 17th, 2013. Their final report for the drug analysis is dated March 29, 2013. That's 2+ months to get the job done. (The alcohol report was completed on February 27th, 2013.) The senior analyst was S. LeAndra Higginbotham, Senior Crime Laboratory Analyst, Toxicology Section.

After the story broke last month, the specimens were sent to Goldberger at UF for re-testing. His report that you are referencing says the specimens were received 11-15-13. He completed his work on blood and urine, according to the document, on 11-26-13, nearly a year after the incident, but it took him less than 2 weeks to do his job for alcohol AND drug testing.

Also, the rape kit analysis report itself was not returned to the TPD until August 27, 2013 - 8+ months after the alleged rape. That is unacceptable.

Here's an excerpt from an article detailing an alleged rape in Clearwater, FL - "The executive director of the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence, Jennifer Dritt, said over the phone from Tallahassee, that waiting 15-weeks for test results is not normal. "That is unusually long. Florida, historically, has had no backlog of rape kits to be processed,” Dritt said. “I believe that crime labs typically process between four and six weeks.” Things must move more slowly in Tally investigations that involve "important" people.

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/7/12/exclusive_rape_test_.html

As for chain of custody of the specimens, I would prefer to see documentation AND testimony in a court of law from law enforcement and forensics personal. Unfortunately, State Attorney Willie Meggs (an FSU graduate) will not allow that to happen. He decides, not a grand jury. He is obviously someone else who is not doing his job.

[Kurska]

30. And if there was some grand conspricacy to taint the evidence

It would have been evident to Doctor Goldberg. Given they even bothered to retest the stuff a year later, I highly doubt it goes bad from sitting in a cold room.

Your assertions and demands are beyond ridiculous at this point. The sample was tested by an outside professional and he came to a conclusion, what more do you want? Could the testing have been done quicker, probably, but that doesn't change the results of the testing.

I have a feeling you'd never be happy with the results of the test until they say what you want them to say, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time here.

[cureautismnow]

32. Crime Lab Evidence can and has been tainted in the past.

Surely, you will not argue against this assertion?

"On Friday, the New York Times reported that the NYC medical examiner's office is reviewing more than 800 rape cases in which DNA evidence may have been mishandled by an incompetent technician. Joseph Goldstein writes:

Supervisors have so far found 26 cases in which the technician failed to detect biological evidence when some actually existed, according to the medical examiner’s office. In seven of those cases, full DNA profiles were developed—in some instances, evidence that sex-crime investigators did not see for years, hampering their ability to develop cases against rape suspects.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/01/14/serrita_mitchell_dna_the_unsettling_underregulated_world_of_crime_labs.html

"In one of the largest frauds in Massachusetts history, a state crime lab analyst used her position of analyzing chemical evidence to intentionally forge results in order to get convictions for prosecutors with whom she had friendly ties, and to satisfy her drive to imprison drug offenders. After years of tampering with evidence her actions may have tainted more than 40,000 drug samples, involving thousands of defendants."

http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/annie-dookhan-crime-lab-chemist-falsified-evidence/

"However, many have been questioning the State’s official story that one rogue chemist was responsible for all the catastrophic injustice. Indeed we now have reports that a second “chemist” has been fired over doubts concerning her qualifications."

http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/boston-another-hinton-police-lab-fraud-180000-results-tainted/

"Officials recently shut down part of the Nassau County Crime Lab because it was discovered that a half dozen drug cases had been subjected to incorrect analyses. District Attorney Kathleen Rice might be compelled by law to retest all drug cases, including sales and possession, dating back from 2007. The number of cases is startling. It is estimated that 4,000 drug convictions would have to be reviewed. DA Rice has called on an outside agency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anthony-papa/nassau-county-da-rices-ni_b_824629.html

That didn't take long. Would you like more examples?

Yes, why are you wasting your time supporting an alleged rapist, when you know Tallahassee, FL is not a breeding ground for righteous, honest public servants. Need I remind you of Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, etc.

Oh, and don't forget this…

"Tallahassee has become a focal point in the FBI’s crackdown on public corruption. The FBI in Jacksonville has launched a major initiative seeking the public’s help in identifying government officials who use their office for personal gain. Of particular interest to the FBI is potential fraud involving federal stimulus money.

The agency unveiled the Public Corruption Tip Line (1-888-722-1225) in February and said it would run advertisements in newspapers seeking tips. So far, the FBI has run one advertisement, which appeared on the front page of the Tallahassee Democrat.

Toni Chrabot, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI office in Jacksonville, said the FBI chose to run the ad in Tallahassee because it is the seat of power in Florida.“Since it’s the capital and the home of Florida’s Legislature and numerous state agencies, any public corruption there has the potential to have consequences on a much broader scale than similar corruption in a smaller town or county,” said Chrabot, who is overseeing the office’s public-corruption program.

http://tallahasseeo.com/2012/03/06/fbi-cracks-down-on-rampant-government-corruption-in-tallahassee-florida-needs-tips-from-the-public/

If everything is on the up-and-up in the Winston investigation, then a trial (where both sides provide evidence) before a jury of peers (hopefully, outside of Tally) would be in the best interests of both parties, no? Hell, they could do it after football season is over and before the next season begins, if that is the holdup.

[Kurska]

34. My lord, it can be tainted by the lead toxicologist.

It is very insulting to the Doctor At UF to imply he did that. You have zero evidence to say he did that, but here you are doing it.

I'm not responding to conspiracy theories anymore, if you have the tiniest bit of hard evidence for your assertions I'd be happy to hear. But you've been incredibly insulting to public servants simply because you don't like the results of an impartial test.

Hope you enjoy FSU's national championship though.

[erglerbergler]

35. Telling

"Hope you enjoy FSU's national championship though."

I see the most important issue at hand here.

[Kurska]

36. I don't got FSU, nor am I a fan of FSU

But seeing a young man's name dragged through the mud by people on the internet (what on earth ever happened to innocent until proven guilt, how bout innocent before even being arrested?), along with a doctor who volunteered his time to lend impartial judgement to case makes me happy the young man is doing well.

[cureautismnow]

39. Did you not like seeing the victim's name dragged through the mud, too?

There were countless FSU "fan" stories of the victim's real name published on the internet with incredulous stories of her having a relationship with Winston before and after the incident, that she was angry because Winston's GF was coming into town the next day, that she was after his money(?), etc. They turned out to be nothing but LIES. These documents establish the fact that she did not know JW before the alleged rape. Where was your outrage toward HER innocence?

No, Winston's own teammate drags Winston's name through the mud (in an effort to cover for him) with testimony in 2013 such as:

"Casher stated he went into the room to see if the female would engage in sexual activity with him as well (as has happened with other females he and Winston have brought back to their apartment)." That's your hero in all his Infamous Jameis glory.

I do not question the 2nd toxicologist's integrity. He did his job in 2 weeks with what he was given. Perhaps, the evidence wasn't tainted. That still doesn't mean she wasn't slipped a date rape drug. Look at the study below and see that these tests aren't very accurate to begin with.

"We investigated the excretion profiles of flunitrazepam metabolites in urine after a single dose. Sixteen volunteers received either 0.5 or 2.0 mg flunitrazepam. Urine samples were collected after 2, 4, 6, 8, 12, 24, 48, 72, 96, 120, 240, and 336 h. Samples were screened using CEDIA (300 microg/L cutoff) and quantitated using liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry. The cutoff was 0.5 microg/L for flunitrazepam, N-desmethylflunitrazepam, 7-aminoflunitrazepam, 7-aminodesmethylflunitrazepam, 7-acetamidoflunitrazepam, and 7-acetamidodesmethylflunitrazepam. None of the subjects receiving 0.5 mg were screened positive, and only 23 of 102 samples from the subjects given 2.0 mg were positive with CEDIA."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19874658

In any event, why are you so afraid of the case going to trial? Is it because you'd have to count on your 3rd string QB?

Let's have a trial and find out who is really telling the truth. Give the victim her day in court to prove the guilt of this animal.

[erglerbergler]

40. For some reason...

For some reason I'm thinking the person you're arguing with was at the forefront of spreading those bogus rumors.

[Kurska]

42. "prove the guilt of this animal."

My lord, I'm done talking to you.

Charges will never be brought against him, I hope you deal with that well.

[cureautismnow]

43. Any man who rapes a woman is an animal.

You obviously disagree. I read all 246 pages of the evidence. Did you? It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this case should have been brought to trial,. Unfortunately, the fix was in from the very beginning. The state attorney, Slick Willie Meggs, his chief assistant 27-year-old Georgia Cappleman (daughter of former Seminoles quarterback Bill Cappleman), and the lead detective, Scott Angulo are all FSU graduates and fans. This woman was never going to receive justice in Tally. Her only mistake was to mention football players when she was recounting her sexual assault to the police. The DOJ should investigate these corrupt investigators. The article below concerning Slick Willie can assist them.

http://tallahasseeo.com/2012/10/08/state-attorney-willie-meggs-a-very-bad-choice-for-another-4-years

[Kurska]

45. I disagree he raped someone beyond a reasonable doubt, but you know that

Corrupt investigators ooooooooohhhhh

Rapist animal oooooooooohhhhh


It legit seems like a parody of people who rush to judgement in cases. The funny thing is you're citing a report put out by that "corrupt investigator" aren't you. This reminds me of the duke case where everyone was so certain those horrible kids were rapist animals too, ready to kill them, then the case entirely fell apart.


Say whatever you want, I'm done wasting my time, goodbye. Charges aren't ever going to be brought against this young man and he'll probably have a very productive future in the NFL.

[cureautismnow]

47. Sleep well knowing that you have enabled a rapist...

...to continue to walk the streets at night. Which woman will he rape next?

But all's well in your world, as long as you get your 3rd tainted title.

[HappyMe]

9. This whole investigation is screwed up.

I don't know what to think or believe.

[Demo_Chris]

24. I haven't followed this case. Question...

Is there any actual evidence for rape beyond the alleged victim's claim?

[Are_grits_groceries]

28. Winston's DNA was present.

He claims it was consensual.
The key fact about the question of rape is whether there were injuries. Women who are raped usually have certain injuries that don't happen if it's consensual. Meggs didn't address that question. He may just have wanted to avoid talking about it because the topic isn't pleasant.

IMO that question should be answered. One could assume it would have to have been looked nto, but after all of the shenanigans up until now, I don't trust any of them.

There were supposedly pictures and a phone video that were deleted. This makes the wait of one year by the TPD inexcusable. Some copy of them may still be somewhere. However, a year is certainly a lot of time to doublecheck for copies that may have been sent to somebody else and getting them to delete them. I don't think it went to any site like youtube if there was a video.

[cureautismnow]

29. There is evidence of bruises and redness in the rape kit.

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The nurse noted that bruises and/or redness were observed on the victim's elbow, knees, forearm, and foot. This is evidence to support her claim that he pinned her down and raped her, while she was trying to fight him off with her feet and hands.

There was no foreign DNA on the victim's inside cheek indicating that there was no oral sex as she has claimed and opposite what the two witnesses claim. His DNA matches the foreign DNA found on her face. She says he either licked or kissed her on the face as he was raping her. His DNA was in her panties.

His 2 teammate witnesses (Darby and Casher) were not interviewed until after they submitted affidavits in November 2013, nearly a year after the alleged assault. The victim wanted the TPD to talk to one of those witnesses back in Dec./Jan. and they REFUSED. After she identified JW in January, the TPD REFUSED to collect his DNA. There were 30 surveillance cameras at the Potbelly's bar where the victim met the assailant. Videos are kept for 30 days and erased. The TPD did not collect those videos and now they are supposedly erased.

It's all in the 200+ report.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/189921841/Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents

As in the Steubenville case, perhaps, Anonymous will pursue this case. Justice demands no less.

[erglerbergler]

31. Wow

This type of shit enrages me. Does Anonymous have a hotline number to call about this?

The only reason I can see why no charges would be filed was if a payoff was made.

[BainsBane]

33. Interesting that the guys so intent on using a thread on 40 years

of unprosecuted rape in college football to champion this man's innocence don't seem interested in this thread, which is actually about Winston.

[seabeyond]

37. yes, well, actually there is one man that regardless of the facts is HAPPY for the quaterback that

he is doing .... well. or some such shit.

[BainsBane]

38. Once again, I have the right people on ignore

So my point might not even hold. I didn't realize I wasn't seeing all the posts.

[madville]

44. How could they not get the social media accounts?

That bit seemed odd to me. I had read that they were just deleted when this came back to light last month, I figured that the SA office could subpoena the records of the accounts from Facebook, Twitter, etc. Don't know what they would have shown, just thinking of it from an IT standpoint, I thought those things couldn't really be deleted that easily.

If Casher had saved a video I bet he could have been charged under some kind of eavesdropping or peeping tom laws.

[LisaL]

46. I know of several cases where videotape was presented to disprove rape allegations.

And none of the men were charged over the videotape. So if the videotape showed a consensual encounter, why delete it?

[cureautismnow]

48. Casher Tweeted the Following on Thursday Night

"RT @ casherfsu21: I can't do anything but shake my head and laugh!"

Some of his fans scolded him and told him to take it down. He deleted it later, but the cat was already out of the bag.

The TPD did not even interview Casher or Darby until last month. Their stories are inconsistent with their affidavits, which were typed up in November (as the story broke). The victim's Dec. 7th, 2012 account is within 2 to 3 hours of the alleged rape.

In her account, Darby comes off as someone with a conscience. He told Winston to stop raping her in the bedroom. Winston said it was okay and carried her to the bathroom where he would lock the door and continue the assault. Now, Darby is on the evil side. I hope he has troubling sleeping the rest of his life.

OTOH, Casher seems like a talker who couldn't care less about the difference between right or wrong. He may let something slip on Twitter or elsewhere down the line.

Also, look at Winston's reaction to this ESPN reporter when she asks him about not talking. It's very telling.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/12/fsu_qb_jameis_winston_walks_of.html

[erglerbergler]

49. cureautismnow

cureautismnow,

What do you think are the future prospects for this case? Do you think Anonymous could be persuaded to investigate? It's bothering me that such a seemingly blatant miscarriage of justice has occurred and I'm looking for any ray of hope that the truth may come out in the end.

For the record, I (used) to be a fan of college athletics, but am currently rethinking my participation in them (the revenue sports at least).

[cureautismnow]

50. Florida won't do anything, it's up to the Feds to right a wrong.

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Meggs has his eyes closed and his fingers in his ears regarding this case. It's up to the DOJ or the media to fix this miscarriage of justice. Anonymous could certainly help, as they did in Steubenville.

Off of the top of my head, some things Anonymous might search for:

1. Deleted text messages from the victim's phone on the night of the assault. In her compromised state of mind, she saw a text message on her phone from an unknown person that told her to go outside of the bar. Her friend confirmed the account and saw the message herself. After the rape, the victim tried to retrieve the message but it had been erased. Not by her. Likely it was Casher, Darby, or Winston. This is important because Darby and Casher's story indicates that the victim just followed them outside without any such invitation.

2. Those surveillance tapes from the bar. There were 30 cameras inside recording. Perhaps, someone has saved a copy somewhere.

3. Any other text messages from the victim that night that may have been erased. There do seem to be gaps especially during the cab ride to Winston's apartment. She claims she was trying to reach her friend for help. (The only message that might have come from the cab ride says something to the effect of "come find me.&quot Winston's buddies claim that she was trying to text her friend to come join them because Casher would be right for her. She thinks later that she was trying to text "help me."

4. Any evidence of the TPD that has not been released.

5. Darby and Casher's deleted tweets or any other communique for the past year. When the timeline didn't quite match up for Darby's affidavit, he amended his account of the incident last month in the interview. He says he spoke with a security guard after he left Winston's apartment and then noticed Winston leaving with the girl on his scooter. I see no evidence in the reports that a security guard was contacted to verify his story. The security guard is not mentioned in his affidavit.

6. Of course, the discarded video evidence from Casher's phone, which began this thread.

7. Find the cab driver from that night, Barney Fife and the rest of the TPD supposedly can't locate him. He's out there somewhere.

That's a good start.

[erglerbergler]

51. Thank you

Thanks for your reply,

It seems like there a several avenues to examine if the right people are up for it. I'd like an investigation of the Tallahassee PD to occur as well... what if the TPD did examine the surveillance tapes and found them not to be to their liking?

This does seem like a situation where the feds need to be involved. I'm just worried there was a payoff made in exchange for no charges being filed.

[cureautismnow]

52. re: Surveillance Tapes

FWIW, it appears the TPD thinks it's best to not look for something that they don't want to find.

"We spoke with the owner of Potbelly's bar in Tallahassee, Fl ... who tells us investigators only RECENTLY came to his establishment and asked for footage that could have shown the interaction between Jameis and the accuser in the hours leading up to the alleged rape.

According to the search warrant, the alleged victim told police she had been boozing hard at Potbelly's before the incident (5 or 6 shots that night) ... and she left with a black guy who she later ID'd as Winston.

Problem is ... the incident happened back in Dec. 2012 ... but cops never bothered to go to the bar and ask for the footage until TMZ Sports began to poke around last month."

http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/05/jameis-winston-cops-blew-shot-at-surveillance-footage/#ixzz2n26m8oS9

Besides, Potbelly's is 1.82 miles down the road. It would take a whole 5 minutes for them to get there and check the place out.

[erglerbergler]

53. Sue?

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Wonder if the victim has a case to sue the PD for negligence?

Barney Fife... what a name.

[cureautismnow]

54. It would sure seem like it.

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The ball's in the victim's and her attorney's court. I would certainly understand it if she just decided to put it behind her and get on with her life. Me, I would fight this to the bitter end, if not for justice's sake, but for the sake of any future victims that may end up in that monster's apartment or future mansion. He needs to pay for his crime(s) and the TPD needs to be held accountable for their incompetence and/or corruption. Paging Mr. Karma...

[erglerbergler]

55. Updates

Cureautismnow,

Could you message me if you find any updates? I don't have enough posts myself yet to send messages.

[cureautismnow]

56. Victim's Lawyer to hold a press conference on FRIDAY!

This doesn't appear to be over just yet.

"The family of the woman who accused Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston of sexual battery will hold a press conference Friday to address the State Attorney's report on the investigation, the accuser's attorney Patricia Carroll said Tuesday."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/12/10/accuer-in-jameis-winston-sexual-battery-investigation/3962397/

[erglerbergler]

57. Curious!

I wonder if they will discuss the course of action they plan on taking? This is probably the last thing the NCAA wants to happen right now.

[seabeyond]

61. good to hear. nt

[erglerbergler]

66. Florida AG

The family's lawyer said they were going to ask the Florida AG to investigate the case. Anyone know this person?

Glanced around at the facebook page of the guy responsible for exposing Stuebenville.

https://www.facebook.com/realkyanonymous

He's definitely aware of the case as it was mentioned in a post from just a couple days ago.

[seabeyond]

67. excellent. being new, i wll suggest, this would be a good post to start an Op. if you have a link

to an article, that he is saying this. start interest and awareness again. i am so disgusted by GD, i am staying off for a while. thank you for keeping us updated.

[cureautismnow]

68. She won't do anything because her boss, Gov. Rick Scott, won't allow it.

Rick Scott, the Plead the 5th governor doesn't want to investigate the Plead the 5th accused anymore.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/seminoles/jameis-winston/os-jameis-winston-case-no-reopening-1214,0,2419612.story

Yesterday, the accuser's attorney ripped Willie Meggs and the TPD to shreds. She basically said that the TPD investigated the rape victim, not the rapist. They performed search warrants on her, not the rapist. The authorities released documents to the public that differ from her own records that she was given from them. They could not provide a chain of command of her urine and blood specimens that were in their possession for around 40 days before they were sent to the crime lab.

Cappleman, Megg's co-conspirator and daughter of the former FSU QB even questioned the credibility of one of Winston's 2 teammate witnesses.

"Cappleman acknowledged the problems with Casher's statements.

"I have concerns about their credibility," Cappleman said. "We didn't make our decision based on those affidavits alone. Any discrepancies in their testimony would have been exposed on cross-examination."

So, you don't take it to trial to publicly expose both of these liars?

Without these 2 incredulous witnesses, it's a she said/he plead the 5th case.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10129982/attorney-blasts-investigation-fsu-jameis-winston

Below is a great analysis of the case. This lawyer says that the victim can still test her hair for traces of rape drugs.

"With any luck, the victim will read this article and learn that it isn’t too late to test for drugs in her hair. If it’s true, as reported, that she has very long blonde hair, then she still has time because rape drugs do not dissipate in hair. They stay there until the hair grows out. Lots of companies can test hair not only to determine the presence of rape drugs but also WHEN the drugs entered the body. If the result is positive and can be timed to match the dates around the time of the incident, the victim can publicly shame the prosecutor for being too stupid to do the test himself, and demand that a special prosecutor take over the case and do the right thing."

http://wendymurphylaw.com/the-real-reason-fsus-winston-wont-be-charged-with-sexual-assault-yet/

[erglerbergler]

70. Hopefully

Hopefully the victim's attorney has been contacted about the hair testing.

This case is so disgusting. Can the victim's attorney ask for the feds to get involved?

[seabeyond]

72. thank you for MORE info. as people run away saying he was exonerated and we should cheer this

possible rapist.

[joeybee12]

58. I was actually surprised no video surfaced...in this day and age...

I wish they knew the date he got rid of the video...say, the same date the police contacted Jameis and started asking him questions? Wouldn't surprise me...that in itself is criminal...destorying evidence.

[seabeyond]

62. i believe the got a couple in the steubenvilled case for destroying evidence. exactly like this.

that guy should have been charged, right there.

[joeybee12]

63. Tells you that they never took this seriously...football town, corrupt university...

Sadly, the outcome does not surprise me.

[seabeyond]

73. exactly joeybee and to claim anything else is to ignore a possible rape. what does that make a

person? exactly

[ChiciB1]

59. As A Floridian & A Person Who Has A Grandson

who DOES attend FSU I think there are several reasons this case wasn't pushed harder. First, guess who's running for re-election and who really doesn't want to upset the "apple cart?"

Think Trayvon Martin and the reaction it caused by the protests and sit-ins at the capitol. Scott isn't very popular, but he DOES have lots and lots of money pouring in for him. I didn't vote for Crist when he ran for Governor and won, but was surprised by how he governed. I DID vote for him when he ran against Jeb's wonder boy Marco. And I will vote for him for Governor this time too!

FSU is in first place and to have yet ANOTHER black kid the center of a trial will really throw a wrench into Scott's campaign. And of course, JW isn't just another Trayvon Martin. He's a freshman who has carried his team to the No. 1 spot. I believe the word went out that said "hands off" this one.

My grandson told me over Thanksgiving that too many students just didn't support "the victim" partly because she left but probably more because it's FOOTBALL, school spirit and all. My grandson said that there is a LOT of sleeping around and so much of it was too fuzzy. His words, not mine. He's more into basketball, but did say that a lot of the football players are really very nice and friendly with everyone.

What I got from what he said is that there are those who support the victim and believe her story, but too many more have a lot of questions. Sad but true.

But most of all, to me... it's politics and Scott can't afford another "black" kid being put on trial. If he wasn't so important to the team and if he was just another black kid, I think the screws would have tightened very very quickly.

So, if Florida loses to Auburn, maybe that's not justice for her, but it could be a little kharmic. Just sayin'.

[Are_grits_groceries]

64. That does not explain the actions of the TPD.

Winston hadn't even played a down as quarterback when this event occurred. He was given cover because he was an FSU football player. FSU is far from alone in being in a situation like this.

Meggs wouldn't even utter a bad word about them. If they don't investigate the TPD, then there is and will continue to be major problems. Decent people who live in that area should be concerned about this unless its a-ok for some people to have immunity no matter what they do.

So there can't be another black kid on trial but another woman can be treated like shite because everybody is just sleeping around and it's 'fuzzy?"

And are you even remotely suggesting that FSU getting beat by Auburn will balance the scales by even a nanogram? Seriously?

[ChiciB1]

65. Of Course Not!!

I think you got the wrong impression. I myself think they should have dug much deeper, did a LOT more investigation and at least "try" to find the truth. I was only implying that it very well could be politically motivated. I did mention Rick Scott and his running for re-election. Just putting a different spin on it and one that very well may have had a LOT to do with "looking the other way!"

Having another high profile trial involving a black kid could have made Scott or his henchmen very nervous and they felt that THIS won't go down well with the voters. He wins the trial, thousands & thousands of people are in an uproar. She wins the trial, thousands & thousands of people are in an uproar! Like maybe me. I'm not saying this is FACT, but I sure wouldn't put it past him! Better to sweep it under the rug as best you can, hope people don't remember any of it when it comes time to vote. I think I did mention Trayvon Martin. THAT was a real miscarriage of justice, but it didn't take place in Tally.

As to whether he threw one ball or not, the football world up there KNEW what he was capable of. Not that he would fulfill expectations, but maybe they were thinking Timmy TEBOW and what HE did for UF. I've heard some of his interviews and he doesn't strike me as the sharpest crayon in the box. Not casting aspersions (LOL) but just my impression. Ya think he's being used a bit too? Learning early how to get away with crap, but someday he gets left out to dry.

Now to the "fuzzy" part. From what my grandson said, until it became national news these kids weren't that well known at the time. I didn't quiz him about popularity though. AND, as you said FSU isn't alone regarding this type of thing. Not only in college, but sports figures all over. There is a very, very long list who get away too much. Even murder... OJ!

Not sure where you live, but the police where I live have a horrible reputation and rarely suffer any consequences. My son-in-law has a brother who's a cop in Tampa and HE even says how bad they are here. But police these days are more storm troopers to me.

And one more thing. I don't care who wins or loses, I don't watch run of the mill sports. Tennis is my sport of choice. I guess I can see where you were offended by my last remark, it was a tongue in cheek thing. Ironic outcome and all.

So, sorry if my comments upset you. I was just setting up a "political" scenario that very well might have a lot to do with what Meggs did. And now since Winston has proved himself, well we really don't want to upset the apple cart as the saying goes! Tally, FSU, winners... oh it's all good. Except not so good for the "victim!"

Hey, did you hear? Zimmerman's girlfriend decided not to press charges after all. She wants to be with him now. Give me a break!

And the beat goes on.

[seabeyond]

71. i like that you used the word "decent" agg. that is the issue. decent. merely... being decent.

and that is what lacks, when people are willing to cheer this ffotball player, knowing, that he probably got away with rape.

decency. isnt a dirty word

[BainsBane]

69. kick

[cureautismnow]

74. Additional documents released from the victim's attorney.

The link below details the documents that the victim's attorney released. Some differ from the state's released documents.

http://tallahasseeo.com/2013/12/13/breaking-news-press-packet-for-patricia-carroll-press-conference-documents-alleged-cover-up-in-jameis-winston-case-by-tpd-detective-scott-angulo-and-state-attorney-willie-meggs/

There is a medical page not released by the state, but included in this packet on Page 33. It gives the SANE nurse's opinion. For clinical impression/dc diagnosis, the nurse (who examined her bruises and her vaginal tears) plainly states "sexual assault." She should have been the key witness for the prosecution.

There are also discrepancies between the accuser's released phone records and the phone records released by the SAO and TPD.

[BainsBane]

75. Thanks. Looks to me like there was plenty of evidence

and that the police and prosecutors determined the victims life was simply less important than a mutli-million dollar football program and a Heisman trophy.

[erglerbergler]

76. Thank you

Thanks for the update cureautismnow,

I don't think there was ever any hope for justice via Florida. The victim's family and attorney need to get the federal government involved and hopefully are getting advice from experts in the area on how to go about this.

I have been thinking about how profoundly this case has affected me and I believe it's due to the precedent setting nature. If such a blatant violation of the law (and human decency) is allowed to be swept under the rug like the TPD has done with no repercussions, the message sent to future sexual assault victims is clear: no one is going to fight for you so you might as well not even report the crime. It is due to this precedent setting nature that I am hopeful the family is being encouraged to fight this case from all possible angles of approach.

Please continue to keep us updated!