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Richardo

(38,391 posts)
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:34 AM Mar 2012

Santorum: My grades suffered because I was conservative.

"Santorum's Profs Beg to Differ"

http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-11/news/31145518_1_rick-santorum-heinz-campaign-student-body

March 11, 2012|By Karen Heller, Inquirer Columnist

<snip>

"I can tell you professor after professor who docked my grades because of the viewpoints I expressed and the papers that I wrote. There's no question that happened," Santorum said. He added: "I used to go to war with some of my professors, who thought I was out of the pale, these are just not proper ideas," noting, "There is clearly a bias at the university."

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"I never received a complaint from any students that a professor had downgraded them because they were conservative and the professor was too liberal, or a student was too liberal with a conservative professor," Robert Friedman told me. He served as chair of the political science department in the late 1970s when Santorum was a student. "Any problem he had with his grades had nothing to do with the fact that he was politically conservative."Friedman said. "He wasn't a very serious student."

"He was an OK student," noted O'Connor, "not great."

<snip>

The real story about Rick Santorum's education is this one: "He was telling a story that isn't true," Friedman said. "It's a fantasy," Eisenstein echoed. "You're in a political campaign and you're dealing with people you can get to applaud if you tell stories about people being indoctrinated and liberal professors, but it's not true."




"I was indoctrinated at that Berkeley-esque bastion of liberalism: Penn State. I mean, look at this beard." :jagoffsmilie:
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Santorum: My grades suffered because I was conservative. (Original Post) Richardo Mar 2012 OP
LOL @ jagoffsmilie livetohike Mar 2012 #1
I used to have a link to one! Richardo Mar 2012 #6
No, my little frothy cretin; your grades suffered... Systematic Chaos Mar 2012 #2
You just made my day GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #7
His grades DID suffer because he's a conservative. denverbill Mar 2012 #3
LOL GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #5
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid... alterfurz Mar 2012 #27
Most likely... GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #4
is conservative code for idiot? La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #8
Yes. TBF Mar 2012 #22
Admit it --- They saw through your bullshit at an early age. lpbk2713 Mar 2012 #9
Bush's Law: "A politician will be successful in direct proportion... lastlib Mar 2012 #31
making shit up doesn't go over well with professors Enrique Mar 2012 #10
You are not goning to do well if you do not accept the facts as facts liberal N proud Mar 2012 #11
Although this whining about liberal professors and being victimized plays to his base... wandy Mar 2012 #12
Oh SNAP! Ricky gets pwned! Happyhippychick Mar 2012 #13
They probably Aerows Mar 2012 #14
I guess you could say he found himself in a sticky situation. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #15
I'm sure his conservative views hurt his algebra scores. Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #16
Al-jebr is a tool of Islam!!!1!! Richardo Mar 2012 #18
So why didn't the jagoff go to a fundy school? n2doc Mar 2012 #17
Bias against ignorance maybe get the red out Mar 2012 #19
No, Rick, your grades suffered because you were a shitty student. Arkana Mar 2012 #20
Obviously, everyone in this story is lying, except Santorum. Mariana Mar 2012 #21
His term paper on the variety of dinosaur Jesus rode upon aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #23
Denying evolution and climate change isn't just a "viewpoint" Viking12 Mar 2012 #24
I had some righty professors and I'd never have blamed them for my own bad grades. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #25
Hey Ricky, PRETZEL Mar 2012 #26
I was at PSU at the same time as Santorum; I had one of those profs for poli sci, too ... gauguin57 Mar 2012 #28
"He wasn't a very serious student." yellowcanine Mar 2012 #29
You cannot walk into class Sheepshank Mar 2012 #30
They have a rather hard time getting REALITY in general to accomodate them Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #34
Gimmie a break, frothy lube man.... Taverner Mar 2012 #32
Another "personal responsibility" fail Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #33

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
2. No, my little frothy cretin; your grades suffered...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:45 AM
Mar 2012

...because you have the critical thinking skills of a rotten Crenshaw melon and you couldn't write your way out of a wad of wet toilet paper.

Now suck it up and go play with your dead fetus in a jar.

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
7. You just made my day
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
Mar 2012

Thanks Systematic Chaos. That post just improved my morale massively. I mean, you would expect somebody that brings home a dead baby and spends all day playing with it and kissing it to be a lofty intelligence wouldn't you, after all?

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
3. His grades DID suffer because he's a conservative.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:45 AM
Mar 2012

Because it's generally proven that conservatives have lower IQs.

alterfurz

(2,463 posts)
27. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:47 AM
Mar 2012

...but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
4. Most likely...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:46 AM
Mar 2012

He got low grades because he was a dummy. It's evident in his campaign and if he studied like he campaigns then of course he got bad grades. And he'll probably flunk out of the campaign too. That just leaves Romney....

lastlib

(22,705 posts)
31. Bush's Law: "A politician will be successful in direct proportion...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:28 AM
Mar 2012

...to his ability to convince a majority of voters that the bullshit he is feeding them is actually whipped cream."
--George H.W. ("the First&quot Bush

"And Howdy!"
--George W. ("the Lesser&quot Bush

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
10. making shit up doesn't go over well with professors
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:51 AM
Mar 2012

maybe that wasn't as much of an issue for him in law school, I wouldn't know, but in college they frown on that. In politics, of course it's no issue at all. Constituents love hearing bullshit from politicians.

liberal N proud

(60,217 posts)
11. You are not goning to do well if you do not accept the facts as facts
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:52 AM
Mar 2012

That is most likely his problem with higher eduction and the reason he wants to kill education.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
12. Although this whining about liberal professors and being victimized plays to his base...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:52 AM
Mar 2012

Blaming someone or something else for their own problems is typical of self righteous turkeys like santorum.
I am holey. How could anything be wrong with me, the world is out to get me because I holey. And on and on.....

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. They probably
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:06 AM
Mar 2012

gave him bad grades for bad ideas because he's FULL of bad ideas. The very first one is the idea that going to college is a bad thing.

I'm going to go with the notion that most professors at colleges and Universities who make their living educating people and whom are educated themselves are going to disagree with that position.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
16. I'm sure his conservative views hurt his algebra scores.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:12 AM
Mar 2012

Math professors are well known for their liberal activism.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
17. So why didn't the jagoff go to a fundy school?
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:15 AM
Mar 2012

Where he would have been welcomed? Guy has always been a tool....

get the red out

(13,453 posts)
19. Bias against ignorance maybe
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:32 AM
Mar 2012

I'd bet the professors said their classes were "So easy a cave-man could do it" and Santorum screamed "YOU LIE".

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
20. No, Rick, your grades suffered because you were a shitty student.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:34 AM
Mar 2012

I went to a very conservative Catholic college, and I took plenty of classes with professors with different viewpoints than me--none of them ever docked my grades. It doesn't happen.

Mariana

(14,797 posts)
21. Obviously, everyone in this story is lying, except Santorum.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:35 AM
Mar 2012

Because they're all in on this huge conspiracy to oppress conservatives (and, Santorum implies, Christians) and deprive them of their rightful, earned grades because of their political (and religious) views. Republicans fervently believe that this conspiracy exists.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
23. His term paper on the variety of dinosaur Jesus rode upon
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:39 AM
Mar 2012

probably received unfairly harsh criticism from his history prof. You gotta Santo at least this one, no?

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
24. Denying evolution and climate change isn't just a "viewpoint"
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:41 AM
Mar 2012

It is a clear indication of an inability to examine evidence and draw a logical conclusion. Those topics alone explain your low grades, oh frothy one.

NYC Liberal

(20,111 posts)
25. I had some righty professors and I'd never have blamed them for my own bad grades.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:42 AM
Mar 2012

"Personal responsibility"...it's that what conservatives have been preaching?

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
26. Hey Ricky,
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:44 AM
Mar 2012

guess what, I was a year behind you. Thankfully I don't remember you at all and if I did know you back then, I'm glad I forgot.

However, I will say this. All my professors there were only concerned about one thing. Fiction in a political science course is not acceptable. I spent more hours in the library sourcing my work.

Did you even know where the library is?

gauguin57

(8,138 posts)
28. I was at PSU at the same time as Santorum; I had one of those profs for poli sci, too ...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
Mar 2012

... and I can guarantee Santorum is full of it.

I've had only two professors in all my undergrad and grad work who have continually inserted their political opinion into the classroom ... and, guess what? They were both conservatives. There was a sociology prof at PSU who use to compare abortion providers to Nazis. I had an English prof at another school who wanted to slam Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution all the time.

I had one of the poli sci profs quoted in the article as an instructor, and I can attest that he didn't "indoctrinate" us in any way, shape or form.

I've been hearing from a bunch of people who also were at Penn State at the same time, and they said Ricky Boy was a pot head. I have no direct evidence; I didn't know the dude.

Perhaps he was "docked" because he was too bleary-eyed to do his school work (as many of us were in the 1970s!).

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. You cannot walk into class
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:09 AM
Mar 2012

and spout other wordly mystical biblical stuff and hope the teacher will re-vamp the curriculum to accomodate. Just.won't.happen.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,306 posts)
34. They have a rather hard time getting REALITY in general to accomodate them
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:36 AM
Mar 2012

but they damn sure are trying! The way the world works just isn't the way they think it can (or should).

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,306 posts)
33. Another "personal responsibility" fail
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:34 AM
Mar 2012

from a person belonging to a group that basically believes that we could all easily become bazillionaires if only...................

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