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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:29 AM Dec 2013

The Minneapolis St. Paul area has no temperature at all today.

It will be zero degrees all day here. The big cold dump from the far north has affected much of the nation, causing uncountable numbers of car crashes, forcing record numbers of homeless people into shelters, and killing a number of people. For those of us with working furnaces and homes that are comfortably warm, it's easy to ignore the outside temperature.

For many others, including everyone who has to go to their job, and so many people who do not have adequate shelter and heat, this stretch of cold weather is a genuine weather disaster. My wife and I made a donation of over 100 parkas to a local shelter a couple of weeks ago. I collect them and launder them throughout the year, finding them at garage sales and other locations as I drive around the Twin Cities area. Usually, when I tell the person holding the sale what I plan to do with them, they just give them to me. We clean them, store them, and make a donation to the Union Gospel Mission each year, hoping that those warm clothes will help someone survive our frigid winters.

If you have old winter jackets and other clothing, I encourage you to donate them to your local shelter if you live anywhere where the temperatures fall to dangerous levels. It could save a life.

For those living in warmer parts of the United States, monetary donations to shelters in places you have lived or where you know people will also be a big help.

Thanks for keeping people warm.

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The Minneapolis St. Paul area has no temperature at all today. (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2013 OP
Kelvin? MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #1
Not Kelvin. Just a figure of speech. MineralMan Dec 2013 #4
I know, I was just having a little fun. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #7
I knew you were. No problem. MineralMan Dec 2013 #9
Sorry for the news, but did you see Warren isn't running? snooper2 Dec 2013 #22
In Denver, i feel your pain--5 days below 0--pipes froze librechik Dec 2013 #2
I opened up the heat register in the furnace room, which MineralMan Dec 2013 #8
IIRC, pipes in MN should be buried 6 feet below grade. 0 Farenheit is 255.372 degrees Kelvin FarCenter Dec 2013 #20
They are. In fact, my outdoor pipes are 8' deep. MineralMan Dec 2013 #26
The low 20s in Vegas are extremely rare in February, let alone early December. Systematic Chaos Dec 2013 #3
It's a huge problem in places where it rarely gets dangerously cold. MineralMan Dec 2013 #6
I've heard that there is a large community of homeless people Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #32
K&R Fumesucker Dec 2013 #5
Thanks, Fumesucker! nt MineralMan Dec 2013 #10
Time to invade Canada and force them to keep their rurallib Dec 2013 #11
Most people don't get that convergence of scale thingy HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #13
Good line! I suspect that very few people know that MineralMan Dec 2013 #14
When I was in college at St. Cloud Jenoch Dec 2013 #21
Those are truly ugly temperatures! MineralMan Dec 2013 #27
I remember when I was a youth Jenoch Dec 2013 #28
LOL sounds like we have the same sense of humor laundry_queen Dec 2013 #19
Take it from this guy who knows something about bullshit and the cold...re levels of measurement HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #12
Sort of. Our current cold snap is the first MineralMan Dec 2013 #15
I lived up in "Burr"midji. I know plenty about Minnesota weather. HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #16
I feel sorry for that poor cow Aerows Dec 2013 #23
That's burger on the hoof. All beef should be kept refrigerated until consumption! HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #24
It certainly is refrigerated! Aerows Dec 2013 #25
causing uncountable numbers of car crashes seveneyes Dec 2013 #17
Yes, of course. On the other hand, MineralMan Dec 2013 #18
Is this a Dr. Who episode? shenmue Dec 2013 #29
All molecular motion stops. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2013 #30
I'm finishing up a website content contract, so I'm not MineralMan Dec 2013 #31

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
4. Not Kelvin. Just a figure of speech.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:34 AM
Dec 2013

My 89 year old mother always asks me, when I report that it's zero degrees, "How can there be no temperature?" She gets it, but it's her way of saying that she can't even imagine it being that cold. She's lived in California and Arizona all her life.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
7. I know, I was just having a little fun.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:37 AM
Dec 2013

Here in Boston, I've been known to use the same turn of phrase.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
2. In Denver, i feel your pain--5 days below 0--pipes froze
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:32 AM
Dec 2013

fortunately no break.

This is serious folks. Two days to go before 30s.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
8. I opened up the heat register in the furnace room, which
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:38 AM
Dec 2013

is usually closed, to help keep the pipes from freezing. That'll handle it. We've had -20 degrees here, and that's what I always do. You wouldn't think that you'd need heat in your furnace room, but today's high-efficiency furnaces don't make much heat right around them. So, there's a heat register in there. Brrr...

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
20. IIRC, pipes in MN should be buried 6 feet below grade. 0 Farenheit is 255.372 degrees Kelvin
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:59 AM
Dec 2013

Don't you feel warmer already.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
26. They are. In fact, my outdoor pipes are 8' deep.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 03:36 PM
Dec 2013

But, we have an outdoor faucet just outside of the furnace room in the basement. Keeping the pipe leading to it warm prevents freezing. Otherwise there are no issues, and it's never frozen up anyhow.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
3. The low 20s in Vegas are extremely rare in February, let alone early December.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:32 AM
Dec 2013

And we've got enough homeless people to create their own good-sized town.

I don't know how they'll survive tonight, given that there are probably only enough shelter beds for 20% of them. Families with children and everything.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. It's a huge problem in places where it rarely gets dangerously cold.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:36 AM
Dec 2013

Here, there are overflow shelters in churches and other places to handle extremes of cold weather. Even those are bursting at the seams right now.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
11. Time to invade Canada and force them to keep their
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:43 AM
Dec 2013

Canadian highs at home under control! Enough is enough.

I was in Canada for meetings one January (who thought that was a good idea I will never know). The temperature was -40. So I thought I was pretty funny saying "I don't know if that is Fahrenheit or Celsius." Everybody looked at me like I was an idiot

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
14. Good line! I suspect that very few people know that
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:45 AM
Dec 2013

-40 is the same in both measurement systems. I hope never to enjoy that level of cold.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
21. When I was in college at St. Cloud
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:46 PM
Dec 2013

in the 80s I remember one day when it was -41° in December. There was not a breath of a breeze. My car, parked on the street, actually started. Four days later. when it was time to go home for Christmas break, it would not start. The highs that week were in the minus teens.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
28. I remember when I was a youth
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 04:00 PM
Dec 2013

in the 70s and into the early 80s we would regularly get lows into the minus 30s, not including windchill. In the summer, the temps would hit 100 a few times a year. I guess that's why the prairie, with no trees and plenty of wind, was the last part of the continental U.S. to be settled.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
19. LOL sounds like we have the same sense of humor
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

For the record, unless you live pretty far north -40 in January is cold even for most places in Canada. We were nearly -40 last week (-48C with the windchill) and we broke some records (I'm in Edmonton). I've actually found winters to be way colder now than they were when I was growing up in the 80's. I have lived up north too so I know what a cold winter is like (think a month of -45C without counting the windchill. Oh, and 10 feet of snow too).

I'm LOL'ing though at whoever thought a meeting in Canada in January was a good idea. I think most companies here with head offices in the US book meetings as far away from the cold as possible. My mom used to work for a company headed in San Antonio. Guess where they went every Jan/Feb? LOL.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. Take it from this guy who knows something about bullshit and the cold...re levels of measurement
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:43 AM
Dec 2013

Jokes with zero ratings have no humor...

Minnesota with a zero temp in late Autumn is seasonable.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
15. Sort of. Our current cold snap is the first
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:47 AM
Dec 2013

of this duration since the 1970s. Typically, our zero and sub-zero temperatures are more common in January. Mine is not a humorous post, in any case.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
17. causing uncountable numbers of car crashes
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:02 AM
Dec 2013

Apologies in advance for correcting this misnomer...the failure of people to adjust their driving to the dangerous conditions contributes the most to these crashes. Too many drivers do not slow down when their slice of traction pie is reduced.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
18. Yes, of course. On the other hand,
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:54 AM
Dec 2013

people who do drive properly still get into accidents caused by drivers who do not drive appropriately. The number of accidents is still very large, and is directly related to the weather conditions.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
29. Is this a Dr. Who episode?
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

I thought you meant the thermometers refused to work because of some anomaly.

Keep warm out there, everybody!

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
31. I'm finishing up a website content contract, so I'm not
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 04:15 PM
Dec 2013

leaving the house today, either. My wife's out in the car now. Streets are like a sheet of ice. You have to start stopping before you start going to drive safely today. Fortunately, my wife's good at it, and knows the back ways to everywhere. It's the other cars and drivers you have to worry about when streets are like they are right now.

Sucks.

On Friday, I'm heading to California to visit my 89-year-old parents. The warmth will be nice, but my poor parents get more and more frail every month. I'm sort of dreading the visit.

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