Teacher on leave after photos from stolen phone post to revenge porn website

[Coyotl]

OFCS!!! I hope they get sued until their doors get closed.
Don't these Christians know Jesus was born nude!

Christian school places teacher on leave after photos from stolen phone post to revenge porn website
The school has refused to comment further on the case "due to the sensitive nature of the circumstances"
Katie Mcdonough http://www.salon.com/2013/12/09/christian_school_places_teacher_on_leave_after_photos_from_stolen_phone_post_to_revenge_porn_website/

A teacher at a Christian school in Cincinnati, Ohio was placed on administrative leave after school officials discovered a nude photo of her on a so-called revenge porn website. The teacher resigned soon after, according to a spokesperson for Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy.

The woman’s photos were posted online a day after she filed a police report for a stolen iPhone, according to WCPO. The school has refused to comment further on the case, “out of respect for her family’s privacy and due to the sensitive nature of the circumstances.”

“The woman is already a victim,” one parent told WCPO. ...........

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http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/07/nude-revenge-porn-photos-land-christian-school-teacher-on-paid-leave/

[seabeyond]

1. i hope the criminal and bottomfeeder that did this to the woman goes to jail. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

3. Has anyone been prosecuted for revenge porn? Is it even against the law?

That is seriously scuzzy behavior, but how is it prosecuted?

[Xithras]

5. Revenge porn is a tricky legal area.

Under federal law, if you pose nude for a picture that I take, I own that picture. Unless you can prove that I took the photo without your knowledge, or while you were incapable of giving consent, or were under the terms of a legal contract that limited its distribution, then I can do anything I want with the photo. You may be the subject of the image, but the image itself is my property. Under federal law, I can sell or distribute it however I see fit.

If you take a nude photo of yourself and its stolen or you send it to someone who later distributes it, you have a few legal remedies available to you because you own the copyright to the image. You can sue the person who distributed it, and you can issue takedown notices to any sites that display it.

A few states, like California, have also passed laws that have made it a crime to post photos on line with the intent to humiliate the subject, but I don't know of any prosecutions yet. There are also some real questions about how effective those laws are going to be, as the legality of the posting will come down to intent, and not action. In other words, if I take a private photo of you and sell it to a website for money, I haven't broken any laws...but if I post that same image to the same website just for "revenge" I'll be committing a crime. Only time will tell how effective the laws will be, but I wouldn't hold my breath on them having much impact.

[snooper2]

2. selfies are a bad idea, especially right out of the shower

Hopefully she can get a job at a public school somewhere and not have to work around fundies anymore...

[LanternWaste]

10. Or people who post to revenge porn sites...

" and not have to work around fundies anymore... "

Or people who post to revenge porn sites...

[snooper2]

14. I'm thinking it's one of the students thinking it's a "prank"

[LanternWaste]

17. Then maybe she can get a job teaching somewhere where there are no students...

Then maybe she can get a job teaching somewhere where there are no students...

[dipsydoodle]

4. Same school had preciously withdrawn an agreed placement

after finding out the applicant was gay.

[LTR]

6. Before the administrators cast scorn upon her...

...someone should ask how the accuser found the pic in the first place.

[Feral Child]

15. That was my 1st thought.

It's ok for the bosses to cruise vicious "porn"* sites, but she needs to be ostracized because some asshole posted her private foto on an ugly website?

The term "face-palm" was invented to describe just this.


*that isn't "pornography", those are just pure creep-fests. I like a little well-executed porn, but wouldn't go to one of those on a bet.

[seabeyond]

16. since the word REVENGE is in revenge porn. wouldnt ultimate revenge be to send a link to a womans

boss at a christian school, where he know he will get her fired. you kmow, the ultimate bottom feeder. so we have people going after the boss, the woman for daring to take a nude, but the creepy bottomfeeder that ruins her life gets nothing? you do not see a problem with this?

[Feral Child]

29. A possible scenario

if it was the Toxic-Ex that stole her phone. The tone of the article suggested it was just some random act of meanness. I can certainly see some jerk phone-jacking teenager posting it for the LULZ. There was no ex mentioned in the article, if I recall correctly.

For that matter, I can just as easily envision New G/F posting it. Men have no monopoly on despicable acts of vengeance.


Why would you think I don't have a problem with your scenario? I stated quite clearly that I find revenge-porn sites to be repulsive.

I didn't get married till I was 43. I was quite active in romance prior to that. I've broken hearts and had mine savaged more than once. I would never have considered doing something like that to anyone I'd been involved with.

I abhor domestic violence of any type (even post-domestic violence). I consider such a posting to be an act of violence, a particularly cowardly one. I have nothing but contempt for the perpetrator.

[seabeyond]

31. because it is way more probable than the boss running into it on line. yet up and down the thread.

omg ... the fundie boss is looking at porn.

that is my issue. instead of going to the most obvious, we play a fuckin game. and not directed at you

and as far as character... yes. i hear ya on all that. that is all it is. the difference between character and the lack of.

[Feral Child]

37. I disagree with your assumption.

If there was an ex and, again, there's no suggestion there was, your scenario would play. She might have taken that photo for her current, innocent SO for all we know.

We're going to assume fault because it's our nature. We crave validation of our beliefs.

Perhaps many of us assumed the Fundy was a Wanker because we know that there are a plethora of Onanistic Holy Joe's out there and we find that ironic, both objectionably and hilariously.

You assumed a Phantom Vindictive Lover to satisfy your own bias. It's no less bad to lay guilt on the alleged Ex than it is to unjustly characterize the True Believer. If assuming that her boss was acting inappropriately is a "fuckin (sic) game", then assuming her lover is spiteful is no less one.

The one thing we DO know is that she was fired by a sanctimonious asshole for a private matter that had no bearing on her work performance. "His" actions amount to trying to control her private life. Given that bit of insight to "his" character, I'm willing to go further and also assume "he's" (another assumption) a hypocritical Jack-off that enjoys shaming women.

Bias is not necessarily bad, we've got to make assumptions sometimes or we'd fact check each new box of Wheaties to make sure they hadn't changed the recipe to include horse-sperm.


I think the cusp is knowing your biases and not making crucial decisions based solely on them.

BTW, I've not taken offense at your comments. You've said nothing personally objectionable, nor have I.

[seabeyond]

41. even if the dude was doing porn, the odds of him, hitting her picture is minuscule. another we DO

know is a bottomfeeder felt the need to humiliate this woman, unbeknownst to her.

[xulamaude]

42. +1 nt

[Feral Child]

61. Yes, that's a given

a really nasty person did a very ugly thing.

On that we definitely agree.

[Matariki]

18. Exactly the question I was going to post

What were school officials doing trolling revenge porn websites? Hmmmm?

[KittyWampus]

67. My best guess- a student stole her phone and did it & then told others about it.

[monmouth3]

7. Why are school officials visiting porn sites? Hmmmmm..n/t

[Orrex]

8. That was my first thought as well

[Proud Liberal Dem]

19. Ditto

I always find it interesting how these sort of things are "discovered".

Hey, maybe it was just a pop-up that one of them "accidentally" stumbled onto, right?

[Journeyman]

12. I suspect, if an ex-boyfriend posted the pictures to a "revenge porn site," he notified the school…

"revenge porn" doesn't attain its full impact until others can see it.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. Still, why would they bother looking?

A random allegation from an unknown person and, well, hey, they've got to investigate it now and fire somebody over having a "selfie" on their PRIVATE phone that they AFAIK never intended to be posted online somewhere?

[Igel]

40. Maybe they were trolling.

Maybe they were tipped off by the poster.

Students also search on their teachers' names. If she was identified by one student, all the students would quickly know, teachers would know soon thereafter, and from there the principals would know. (Would teenage boys troll revenge porn sites?)

Some particularly PR-worried schools troll for their staffers' names anyway, just in case they're acting out or acting up. This works for Facebook pages, but other things can be found. (Never be on a petty principal's hit-list.)

And you can't rule out that it was another teacher who found her. Then word would also spread, whether out of salaciousness, rumor-mongering and gossip. vindictiveness, or out of concern (real or phoney).

Moreover, not all Xian schools are staffed by believers. You just can't agitate against the belief structure or denigrate it. Neutral works just fine in many cases.



That said, the teacher had to resign. At some point you face such an overwhelming problem with maintaining classroom
discipline and respect that you can't teach anymore. Or it may be a problem with parents who raise such a ruckus that it's just not worth it, either directly with you or with the school administration.

If it had been like the teacher who was a swimsuit or underwear model 20 years before you can sort of perhaps laugh it off. "Oh, that, that's when I looked good in a bikini." Naked, not in a professionally-issued source? Nah. She's DOA and needs to make sure the offending graphic is divorced from her name and then get a job elsewhere.

It would also not be as much of a problem if she were a he. Again, seeing the male gym teacher naked would not have the same repercussions as seeing a female teacher naked. Our opinion as to the inherent fairness of the double standard doesn't much matter.

Teaching is a career in which a small group of students or parents can effectively control your destiny in ways that seldom happens in other fields.

[pipi_k]

66. This is true..

Moreover, not all Xian schools are staffed by believers.

My grandson goes to a Catholic school where that is indeed the case.

[kelly1mm]

76. What usually happens (as it did at my wife's school) is that a student 'finds' the photo

and within a day it is all over the school. It then becomes an administrative problem.

[hfojvt]

9. salon

the liberal site bringing you all the news that matters.

But why oh why did I click on this thread?

[Coyotl]

21. Why did so many people click on this thread in DU, but when a post is

serious politics, hardly anyone reads it? Why or why? People enjoy nudity, that's why.

[pnwmom]

23. No, I clicked on the post because there should be laws against

people posting photos on revenge sites. Criminal laws affecting the poster and the site owner.

When something is done against men, it's called "politics." When something is done against women, it's called "culture."

These sites are all part of a political/cultural "war against women." It's not trivial.

[xulamaude]

43. +1 nt

[xulamaude]

11. Because 'revenge porn'

is totally hilarious. And stolen property is totally hilarious. And prudish fundies are totally hilarious.

And a right to privacy is totally hilarious.

[mstinamotorcity2]

13. I understand the concept of selfie's

I just think its not a good idea to take nudes with your phones. It seems like a person who has bathed himself or herself since childhood they would have gotten familiar with one's self Unless they are saving the picture to reflect on that banging body you had at 25 when your eighty

[pnwmom]

22. There should be laws allowing criminal prosecution

of people posting nude photos of other people without their permission, and of the website owners themselves who knowingly post revenge photos.

[Coyotl]

25. There is a constitutional right to privacy.

That should provide grounds for protection and for litigation too.

[pnwmom]

30. That's what I was thinking. I wonder why I haven't heard

of any prosecutions for this?

[hunter]

24. First rules of being a gentleman or gentlewoman.

If you see it and they don't want you to see it then you don't see it. Even if you've seen it.

[Coyotl]

36. First rule of owning a cell phone with selfies, or without them.

Password protect your phone. Do it now. You don't know who will find it when you lose it, or who might steal it. Also, make an on-open contact image so it gets returned.

[xulamaude]

45. "on-open contact image so it gets returned"

Care to explain how that works out well for the person (in this case a woman) who has had her phone stolen?

[Coyotl]

47. An image appears when you turn your phone on, a background file.

Modify that file (perhaps your own image) so some contact info is visible, i.e. an e-mail.

I got rid of my phone altogether, but I used to have my own photo appear. That way, someone finding it might immediately know who it belonged to.

[xulamaude]

48. Okay - but wouldn't that be

dangerous for a woman who has her phone stolen by someone who then (presumably) uploaded one of her photos to a 'revenge porn' site?

What if the thief would like to know her email addy (for threatening purposes. obvs) or even home addy if they didn't know it already?

As I asked before, how does that help a woman in this situation?

[Coyotl]

50. It helps you get your phone back when it is lost, 99.99% of the time.

You need to combine this with password protection on your phone, of course. When you do not password protect your phone, the finder has no trouble determining whose phone it is by opening the contact list.

[xulamaude]

53. I understand the tech and password protect is pretty

standard. What I am asking again, again is how does your suggestion of a pic of yourself on-open help a woman who has had her phone stolen?

Is a thief interested in returning her phone to her?

[Coyotl]

70. Stolen vs. lost.

Very different problems.

[xulamaude]

71. Which has been my point all along

as per the circumstances recounted in the OP.

[hunter]

49. My cellphone and my laptop are pre-camera age.

But there are naked pics of me on the internet.

Funny thing happened to me a couple of years ago. I still enjoy using film cameras. I was skinny-dipping in a California river and my wife took a few pictures of me. It wasn't one of my more frequently used cameras. Mostly I develop film myself so no big deal. A while later I finished off this roll of film and threw it in with others waiting to be developed. Quite a while later I thought "I'm never going to develop all these..." and dropped the film off at COSTCO.

When I picked up the pictures I noticed the clerks, all women, were acting sort of odd, smirking even, a private joke. I was sure it was something unrelated to me until I got home and saw the prints. Ooops, but hey, the water was cold!

My parents are artists, drawings and watercolors of naked people, the works, and I grew up in a family of largely Scandinavian/Northern California sensibilities.

As a kid I saw plenty of naked people of all ages and there was nothing threatening or unusual or sexual about it.

Two of my great grandma's lived in very rural situations. On bath days the water was heated on the wood stove, there was a big tub in the kitchen, and plenty of casual nudity.

As a kid one of the funniest things I ever saw was when my grandpa had been skinny-dipping in the irrigation canal and my great grandma's meanest rooster decided to chase him when he got out of the water. My great grandma was trying very hard not to laugh and not succeeding. Her expression was the funniest thing.

My mom's a bit of an earth-mother Catholic sort. I have a mess of siblings. My mom would breastfeed a hungry kid anywhere, didn't even have to be her kid.

It would be very nice to live in a society where casual nudity was no big deal and nobody paid any attention at all to photos that were meant to remain private.

The people who are suffering here are the victims of this society's misogyny or homophobia. That these sorts of pictures exist is a human thing and not the moral failure of those who trusted the photos would never be posted on the internet.

[Coyotl]

52. Exactly: "The people who are suffering here are the victims of this society's misogyny ..."

There is nothing wrong with nudity. There sure are problems with some people's ideation about it.

Casual toplessness is not uncommon in Oregon at certain counter-culture events, such as the OCF.

[dembotoz]

26. perhaps because i am totally non photo genic but this whole picture thing has me confused

taking naked photos of yourself---no just don't do it

having your significant other take photos of you
no just don't do it.

if he/she can not remember what you look like naked then dump them
because they are brain damaged.

[Skittles]

27. can someone PLEASE tell me

WHY would you have nude photos of yourself ANYWHERE, let alone on a PHONE?

[Coyotl]

28. To send to the person you want to tittilate a bit.

It is sort of like that scandalous idea of having sex when it isn't completely and absolutely dark

[Skittles]

32. and they trust that person to never, ever share the pics

ooooooookay

[bluestate10]

54. I think the concept of sending out nude pictures is insane. I would never do it, period.

Nor would I store nude pictures of me ANYWHERE. The issue isn't about being a prude, it is just being prudent. Once a nude photo is out, who knows where it ends up.

[Skittles]

59. I thought it was insane 40 years ago

I have no idea WHAT the f*** the people today are thinking

[Ms. Toad]

63. Yeah -

I had that conversation with my very bright daughter after I caught her having skype sex.

She trusted him not to share anything, but hadn't thought about sometime later when they were no longer on friendly terms, or he wanted to show off his older sex partner to his buddies. And, even if she had thought about it, she was under the impression that it just all vanished, so he couldn't expose her, so to speak, even if he wanted to.

I sure hope images from that stream (or the stream itself) never show up anywhere . . .

[Feral Child]

33. Naughty fun.

Harmless, more often than not. MUCH more often than not.

A matter of trust. If you can trust someone to swap fluids with you...

Often that trust is misplaced. I caught herpes from a nurse I lived with for a year back in the frivolous 80s. She wasn't unfaithful (that I'm aware of); she had herpes before I met her and knew that she was Positive. She didn't care.

I trusted the wrong person. Trust can have negative consequences, but we all take that chance sometimes.

[Skittles]

34. I understand the concept of naughty fun

but surely people know by now people CANNOT BE TRUSTED

[Feral Child]

39. Some can.

And that comment from a very cynical misanthrope.

Also, the type that would do something like that (I mean post on a Revenge Site) could well be a pretty persuasive con-man. Young people (and I'm guessing this woman isn't in her 60s) fall for cons. It's, sadly, one of the ways we learn.

More valid concerns are that she carried the photo outside of her home on a mobile device and that the device wasn't set to secure her other private information, either. She could be unemployed and have her bank account emptied.

After all, you have to trust sometimes or you'll get awful lonely, but it's way more naive to trust strangers.

[Skittles]

60. no, no, no

let's say you email to a person who absolutely CAN be trusted......do you trust whomever might HACK into your computer, or THEIR computer? Nude pics <------------- NOT A GOOD IDEA, and plenty of us gals now in their 50's and older knew that WAY before the internet came along.

[seabeyond]

44. you are right skittle. even though some of us may want to have fun we dare not cause of the numbers

of FUCKERS that are bottomfeeders with the need to humiliate women.

yes. we must teach our girls, regardless how much they may "trust" their man, they dare not play this game, in the name of abuse to humiliate. no more. no more than to humiliate.

my point thru out the thread, is instead of addressing the woman that takes a nudie, or the principle that sees it... we as a society need to address the creep that does it. he seems to be the least addressed in this issue

[Blue_In_AK]

46. Phone sex was much safer when it was just words.

[B Calm]

35. Okay, which school official was surfing porn sites?

[duffyduff]

38. Private school. At-will employer. She resigned and is SOL. n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

51. "after school officials discovered a nude photo of her on a so-called revenge porn website"

What were they doing looking for one?

[Harmony Blue]

55. The students alerted school officials of the nude photos

just passing on my common sense.

[AuntFester]

56. If you don't want dirty pictures of yourself posted on the internet, don't take dirty pictures of

yourself. And don't allow pictures of yourself to be taken by others. If your boyfriend gas a burning need to post dirty pictures, tell him to post face and body shots of his own pathetic package.

[Coyotl]

57. They are not dirty pictures. They are nudity. The "dirty" is a mental concept.

And, therein, lies the root of the problem.

[AuntFester]

58. Obfuscation notwithstanding, I'll bet you know what my point was.

[NuclearDem]

62. We could blame the sad disgusting perverts who posted the pics

Or we could blame the victim. Either one's good, and if we pick the latter, we don't have to acknowledge rape culture. Win!

[Kaleva]

69. The two are not mutually exclusive

People ought to know by now not to be video recorded or have such pics taken of themselves AND people ought not post such things unless they have prior permission.

It's wise to be prudent and take precautionary measures. We shouldn't have to lock our doors at night but most people do. Would you advise everyone not to lock their doors? I wouldn't.

[AuntFester]

75. Not taking anything from the creepy perv who posted the pictures.

Instead, I think it better that women take care of ourselves first and foremost. I'm certainly vulnerable on many levels, bug I like to think I am NOT vulnerable because I failed to protect myself.

[kiva]

64. 1. Revenge porn is ugly and I wish it would be prosecuted.

2. Having nude pics on a phone or computer is foolish unless it doesn't matter to you if those photos end up online.

3. Working for or attending a private religious school means that you agree to their rules...if people would stop doing both, these schools would either close or they would come into the real world.

My money is on a student hacking the phone then telling other people about where he posted.

[pintobean]

65. Never do anything in front of a camera

that you don't want the whole world to see.

[pipi_k]

68. It's such a simple

concept, and yet so many people just don't seem to "get" it.

That goes for selfies, and Social Media.

[hunter]

74. There are so many people who don't care if the whole world sees...

... or even want the whole world to see them, that there is no damned excuse for the scumbags who share pictures that were never meant to be shared.

Hell, in a case like the OP, simply expel any kid caught sharing the pictures, and the kid of any adult who complains about the pictures. It's none of their business.

Otherwise we are just blaming the victim.

Sure, it's good sense to teach our kids about the very real dangers of our dysfunctional misogynistic society, but it is also our obligation to teach our kids what is right and what is wrong. Sharing private pictures without the subject's permission is just plain immoral and WRONG. There's nothing inherently immoral about sharing private pictures in an intimate relationship.

Misogynistic "boys will be boys" crap should never be tolerated.

Anyone with a functional moral compass knows what is creepy, and what is not.

Having intimate pictures on your cellphone is not creepy. Finding or stealing a cellphone and sharing intimate pictures found on it is CREEPY. Sending intimate pictures of oneself to a person one does not have an intimate relationship with is CREEPY. Sharing intimate pictures of an ex is CREEPY.

Public nudity in a place where it is traditionally accepted is not creepy. Hiding in the bushes with a long lens camera taking photos of nude people is CREEPY.

Walking around your own house nude is not creepy. Peering into windows of houses is CREEPY. Sunbathing nude in your backyard is not creepy. Peering through a knothole in the fence at your nude neighbor is CREEPY.

I'm not entirely casual about nudity. I often get a bad vibe from "National Geographic" and "reality television" style documentaries about traditional cultures. Often the nudity seems gratuitous. U.S.A. native American and Polynesian cultures learned a long time ago that they had to cover up to avoid the leering eyes and shaming glares of priggish white people. Nudity wasn't their problem, it was our white racist society's response to nudity that was the problem.

[seabeyond]

77. i liked your other post on this also. that is how i grew up, in that environment.

nudity was not a problem. i raised my boys in that environment. what we do today though, is what takes away from simple nudity. i think it is so sad. this was an excellent post. shouldnt be needed, but....

[L0oniX]

72. So uhm Christian school officials are trolling revenge porn websites?

[Orrex]

73. I'm wracking my brain on this--can somene help me out?

There must be some way to blame the woman in this case, as in all others. I'm just not seeing it...