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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumstime mag, is, and always has been, a r/w rag.
At its most innocuous, it "just" supports the status quo. The status quo of "America" as the exceptional country with a manifest destiny.
It was founded by henry luce. he also founded life mag. and fortune and sports illustrated. he was a proponent of "American" exceptionalism. he also, "used Time to support right-wing dictatorships in the name of fighting communism." (See his wiki page which is somewhat accurate.)
Do you honestly think that hitler as "man of the year" was a mistake? The fascists hated "communism." Which side do you think old henry, who was "editor-in-chief of all his publications until 1964" and an "influential member of the Republican Party" took in any editorial decisions?
Please learn about the sources quoted and noted here. The number of reliable sources available to us is 0. Any source, no matter how much you may agree with their "reporting," has an agenda. Informing "the masses" accurately and without prejudice is at the bottom of their priorities.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It does. I am finding that they picked a perfect winner this year. I wonder who they are disappointed about? It must be Miley.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)had quite a bit of support here for "Person of the Year".
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I know. I was kidding. Ed Snowden was considered I am sure but I am glad he was not picked. President Obama has been through enough crap without having the whole Snowden thing blowing up in his face again. President Obama finally seems to be gaining in popularity again after months of negative stories. Snowden would have just added salt to the wound for Obama. No need for it. Plus it is Time Magazine after all. I imagine the few thousands that still subscribe to the magazine will read the article and that is about it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)Tired of people thinking time is a reliable source of anything other than supporting the power-over structures in place.
Your reply, however, says much.
rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Cuz that can bounce right back at ya and hurt like an sob.
rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)That would be petty, churlish and stupid, wouldn't it?
No, I suppose a random reference about getting hurt with a football just popped into your head.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)..."resentment" would indeed be a bit silly, indeed.
However, not nearly as silly, petty, churlish, and stupid as going around and using said selection as a means of trying to antagonize and goad those who have taken issue with the person in question in the past due to his positions on gay rights, women's rights, contraception, the continued sheltering of child abusers, etc. etc.
Thankfully, no DU poster of any real value to the community would ever stoop so low as to do something like that. No poster of value at all.
rug
(82,333 posts)Nor would such criticisms of the Pope reach the depths of bigotry against those who belong to his Church.
It's inconceivable.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)I'm sure there would be isolated cases where the bigotry label may apply, but the accusation of bigotry would be far more often abused by the popes apologists as a means of distraction than anything else.
rug
(82,333 posts)You have a curious meaning for the word isolated.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...of isolated. Of course, it was you who said it never happed...
rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...for me to even deflect, and that I have not denied the existence of such bigotry, I find your post completely without merit.
But at least you're using more caution with that football, I hope.
rug
(82,333 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)ah, yes, convenient.
I've seen time quoted here for years. I've tried in the past to say the same as I just did in this OP. You missed it. It happens. I don't read every post/OP so I don't expect others to do so either.
Please stop projecting your motives on to me. Reading the angst about miley cyrus and whomever else time was offering prompted me to post this.
rug
(82,333 posts)Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)This isn't new, rug. As much as you might want it to be so, I've been calling into question sources and their reliability on this board for a long time.
It's part of my former profession doing opposition research and my experiences with various media sources and their lies.
El_Johns
(1,805 posts)of Time Inc., Arthur Hays Sulzberger of the New York Times...
By far the most valuable of these associations, according to CIA officials, have been with the New York Times, CBS and Time Inc.
The CIAs use of the American news media has been much more extensive than Agency officials have acknowledged publicly or in closed sessions with members of Congress...
http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It's a profile on the person or thing that most influenced the world's news that year. Stalin and Hitler were evil, but they most influenced the world in the years they were named.
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)Not about person of the year; although a couple of you are trying to drag it that way.
This was about reliability of media sources.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Look, I don't like Time, and yes, it is a right wing rag that shouldn't be taken too seriously, but let's at least get the facts straight.
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)I brought up hitler as the embodiment of fascism.
What did the embodiment of fascism represent to the anti-communists of that era? luce went there. That filth would support any r/w filth in the name of anti-"communism."
time mag has had an ugly influence on the US populace. it catapulted propaganda long before the shrub mentioned such. time; life. If you have time, search their archives on "socialist" medicine. they helped the ama become a political force against health care.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Hitler, the embodiment of fascism, was PotY once. Stalin, the embodiment of what Americans perceived as Communism, was PotY twice.
Hitler made big news over the Sudetenland and Austria. Stalin made big news over the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and Stalingrad. PotY isn't an endorsement, it's an acknowledgment of a person's impact on the news. Western-centric, certainly.
Again, I don't disagree with your assessment of Time as a right wing magazine, but painting PotY as an editorial conspiracy to propagandize the public just doesn't hold up with the argument you're making.
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)time never used stalin as an example of the evil communism. (Dog-whistle wasn't a much known mechanism at the, er, time.)
it never used "socialised" medicine as the evil communism/socialism (they can't quite figure which is which it's just that both are bad and evil.)
My bad. I suck. You'll fix it. Or you're the one sitting in the back of the room complaining no one does it as well as you but you can't be bothered to contribute your wealth of knowledge.
Please proceed.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2013, 12:17 AM - Edit history (1)
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/hitler/sources/30s/391time/391timemanyear.htmThe man most responsible for this world tragedy is a moody, brooding, unprepossessing, 49-year-old Austrian-born ascetic with a Charlie Chaplin mustache. The son of an Austrian petty customs official, Adolf Hitler was raised as a spoiled child by a doting mother. Consistently failing to pass even the most elementary studies, he grew up a half-educated young man, untrained for any trade or profession, seemingly doomed to failure. Brilliant, charming, cosmopolitan Vienna he learned to loathe for what he called its Semitism; more to his liking was homogeneous Munich, his real home after 1912. To this man of no trade and few interests the Great War was a welcome event which gave him some purpose in life.
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The situation which gave rise to this demagogic, ignorant, desperate movement was inherent in the German Republic's birth and in the craving of large sections of the politically immature German people for strong, masterful leadership.
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What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to the German people in that time left civilized men and women aghast. Civil rights and liberties have disappeared. Opposition to the Nazi regime has become tantamount to suicide or worse. Free speech and free assembly are anachronisms. The reputations of the once-vaunted German centres of learning have vanished. Education has been reduced to a National Socialist catechism.
Stalin's actions with M-R were labeled "positive", "inspiring", and "world-shattering."
http://www.swcs.us/~jennie.joseph/FOV1-000365DC/S087EF766-087F1B61.7/Stalin.pdf
So look, I know what you're saying about Time being a right wing mag, and I know they have a history of looking down on progressive ideas, but Hitler getting an utterly scathing review and Stalin getting praised is pretty much the opposite of what you were arguing.
If you're referring to Chiang Kai-Shek, then absolutely, you're right, and I wouldn't have even said anything if you'd used that example.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)or whatever gets you through the night...
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)I question those who agree with me even more than those who don't.
I've been knee-capped a few times in real life by trusting those with whom I agreed but who had their own agenda. I question everything. I question anything that confirms my ideas, beliefs, and knowledge even more as I want to ensure I'm coming from a position of fact.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Spot on. I don't think there are any unbiased reporters anymore.
And opinion shows are not news...too many people confuse them for that.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This "Onion" story captures "Time" perfectly:
http://www.theonion.com/video/time-announces-new-version-of-magazine-aimed-at-ad,17950/
Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Thru mentioned Hitler and his man of the year title, but to underscore a point about the paper, not as a means of direct comparison
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)info.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)They were suspicious of our neighbors who had subscriptions to Time. It was kind of amusing.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I didn't read the OP as an attack on the selection of the Pope as Person of the Year. (I will confess that I favored Miley Cyrus.) Nor did I see the timing as negative. What I view as context, some others view as cause, hence the "coincidence" comments.
This Pope seems to be a force for good, in my opinion. Earlier this week -- no coincidence -- I spoke with a very good friend who is Catholic; she and her husband worry that he will be prevented from instituting progressive change in the church. I agree with her on that.
My take on the OP is that the author believes TIME is part of the social novocain that dulls the public's senses, rather than a comment on the Pope. But others, including some DUers I have solid respect for, read it very differently.
I'm going to "recommend" the OP, and hope that all participants will consider discussing and debating the more serious issues we can associate with it, rather than focusing on personality.
Peace,
H2O Man
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)And from Glen Greenwald. Why be so distraught over a "r/w rags'" choice for a meaningless Person of the Year award?
Its hard to understand so many threads over such a trivial subject, if indeed all those posters truly consider it to be trivial. Aren't there far more pressing issues to rant about, issues that really affect peoples' lives? Like extended unemployment benefits ending or the next round of sequester slashes to social programs? Does Time still even publish a print edition anymore? Does anyone actually pay money to buy it?
Instead there's seemingly a need for endless self-assurance that it really is unimportant and no one who really matters cares even the tiniest bit who Time magazine picks.
Peoples' priorities (and motives) are often inexplicable to me.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)back then, the huge difference.