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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:21 AM Dec 2013

The FBI Goes To Disturbing Lengths To Set Up Potential Terrorists

PAUL SZOLDRA

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has busted an impressive number of homegrown terror plots over the past decade, but many people don't realize how these plots materialize. In some cases, they are hatched not from a cave-dwelling fanatic, but actually from the Bureau itself.

Ever since 9/11, the task of thwarting terrorist plots has consumed the majority of the FBI's budget — $3.3 billion compared to $2.6 billion for organized crime, according to a report written for Mother Jones by Trevor Aaronson, author of The Terror Factory.

The once exclusively investigative bureau has morphed into a counterterrorism agency, with field agents tapping into a nationwide network of informants that infiltrate mainly-Muslim communities.

The FBI targets the "disgruntled few" who would participate in a terrorist plot if given the opportunity, according to Aaronson. In many cases, the FBI recruits potential terrorists and provides them with plans, equipment, and weapons — before finally shutting them down and getting credit for thwarting another attack.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-hatched-some-crazy-terror-plots-2013-3

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RC

(25,592 posts)
7. Yes.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:10 PM
Dec 2013

From the get-go. The guy never had a chance at getting any real explosives, as the FBI kindly provided everything he needed.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
15. Their being law enforcement, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they had quotas.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 04:22 PM
Dec 2013

Almost every terrorist related news item involving the FBI, seems to have a sting at its root. Then when we get something real, like the Boston Bomber, they are caught flat footed. Also, it is well know the higher ups stopped investigations by those in the field of 9/11 suspects.
Color me unimpressed by our FBI. They are as corrupt as the rest of our government.

Being Federal, the have pay grades to adhere to, so raises would amount to promotions to he next pay grade.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
2. Gotta justify their budgets somehow.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:38 AM
Dec 2013

Like the CIA...and the military...and the NSA...etc. etc. etc.

Finding imaginary terrists under every bed will do it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. "Rolling Stone" / FBI Entrapping the Mentally Ill
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 11:16 AM
Dec 2013

into "Terrorist" plots:

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How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook

By Rick Perlstein

This past October, at an Occupy encampment in Cleveland, Ohio, "suspicious males with walkie-talkies around their necks" and "scarves or towels around their heads" were heard grumbling at the protesters' unwillingness to act violently. At meetings a few months later, one of them, a 26-year-old with a black Mohawk known as "Cyco," explained to his anarchist colleagues how "you can make plastic explosives with bleach," and the group of five men fantasized about what they might blow up. Cyco suggested a small bridge. One of the others thought they’d have a better chance of not hurting people if they blew up a cargo ship. A third, however, argued for a big bridge – "Gotta slow the traffic that's going to make them money" – and won. He then led them to a connection who sold them C-4 explosives for $450. Then, the night before the May Day Occupy protests, they allegedly put the plan into motion – and just as the would-be terrorists fiddled with the detonator they hoped would blow to smithereens a scenic bridge in Ohio’s Cuyahoga Valley National Park traversed by 13,610 vehicles every day, the FBI swooped in to arrest them.

Right in the nick of time, just like in the movies. The authorities couldn’t have more effectively made the Occupy movement look like a danger to the republic if they had scripted it. Maybe that's because, more or less, they did.

The guy who convinced the plotters to blow up a big bridge, led them to the arms merchant, and drove the team to the bomb site was an FBI informant. The merchant was an FBI agent. The bomb, of course, was a dud. And the arrest was part of a pattern of entrapment by federal law enforcement since September 11, 2001, not of terrorist suspects, but of young men federal agents have had to talk into embracing violence in the first place. One of the Cleveland arrestees, Connor Stevens, complained to his sister of feeling "very pressured" by the guy who turned out to be an informant and was recorded in 2011 rejecting property destruction: "We're in it for the long haul and those kind of tactics just don't cut it," he said. "And it's actually harder to be non-violent than it is to do stuff like that." Though when Cleveland's NEWS Channel 5 broadcast that footage, they headlined it "Accused Bomb Plot Suspect Caught on Camera Talking Violence."

In all these law enforcement schemes the alleged terrorists masterminds end up seeming, when the full story comes out, unable to terrorize their way out of a paper bag without law enforcement tutelage. ("They teach you how to make all this stuff out of simple household items," one of the kids says on a recording quoted in the FBI affidavit about a book he has just discovered, The Anarchist Cookbook. Someone asks him how much it says explosives cost. "I'm not sure," he responds, "I just downloaded it last night.&quot It’s a perfect example of how post-9/11 fear made law enforcement tactics seem acceptable that were previously beyond the pale. Previously, however, the targets have been Muslims; now they’re white kids from Ohio. And maybe you could argue that this is acceptable, if the feds were actually acting out of a good-faith assessment of what threats are imminent and which are not. But that's not what they're doing at all. Instead, they are arrogating to themselves a downright Orwellian power – the power to deploy the might of the State to shape a fundamental narrative about which ideas Americans must be most scared of, and which ones they should not fear much at all, independent of the relative objective dangerousness of the people who hold those ideas.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. I completely understand the unease this strategy causes
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 11:43 AM
Dec 2013

It's entrapment of people who almost certainly wouldn't have acted sans being enabled by law enforcement.

It's justification, however, isn't the aggrandizement of the law enforcement agencies. It seems to me there is a bit more to it than that.

I think they see it as poisoning the well by making everyone who might be a potential recruit so suspicious and wary of being hoodwinked that they are no longer receptive to anyone that might approach them.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
8. So you are saying the goal is actually make everyone safer, by making everyone paranoid.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013
I think they see it as poisoning the well by making everyone who might be a potential recruit so suspicious and wary of being hoodwinked that they are no longer receptive to anyone that might approach them.


Got it.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. And I see it as so compromising justice in this country as to make it impossible
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:18 PM
Dec 2013

So much for a Rule of Law.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
17. That's exactly how I feel.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:02 AM
Dec 2013

The state of law enforcement in this country really is frightening, but so is the use of terrorism. Neither side of the issue should be ignored. That's why I thought it important to actually stipulate the reasoning I see. We can't have reasoned discussion when we make everyone we disagree with the enemy.

I think those who are responsible for security lose sight quickly of the fact that when they elect to pursue strategies like this they are following a pattern of behavior that is encouraged by the people they hope to protect us from. There were a lot of lessons learned during the proxy battles of the Cold War, and most of them involved methods for destablizing nation-states.

It's worth bearing in mind that we weren't the only people studying.

 

politichew

(230 posts)
11. People go to disturbing lengths to harm others,
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:58 PM
Dec 2013

But hey, let's blame the FBI for getting to them before some other group gives them a REAL bomb.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. SO effective, makes you wonder why the FBI/DOJ doesn't do this on Wall St...
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:13 PM
Dec 2013

I mean even if it led back to some 3rd Way democrats, making 3rd way democrats paranoid can't be ALL bad, can it?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
16. Well, that would involve man power, and boring days spent analyzing
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:38 PM
Dec 2013

Financial books, and then on top of it all, would not be half as much fun as being a cowboy out there roping some mentally ill person into going with them to procure components for a bomb.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
18. So let's see if I have this straight
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:53 AM
Dec 2013

They're not competent enough to catch any real terrorists so they spend resources that are intended to protect us against real terrorists to make bogus terrorists they can arrest so it looks like they're accomplishing something in the war of terror?

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