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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 03:51 AM Dec 2013

The 1% is Hogging So Much of Our Income That It’s Holding the Economy Back

http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/hogging-holding-economy.html

The 1% is Hogging so much of our Income that it’s Holding the Economy Back

(By Anthony W. Orlando)

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Or, as the late economist Michal Kalecki used to say, “The workers spend what they get and the capitalists get what they spend.” What he meant by that was that the rich can afford to save more of their income—and, indeed, we find that the One Percent continue to save 15 to 25 percent, while the saving rate of the 99 Percent has plummeted close to zero. If too much money goes to the One Percent and not enough to the 99 Percent, the economy will save more and more and spend less and less, until there isn’t enough consumer demand to justify increasing production and investment. Thus, the economy will slow down.

For awhile, the 99 Percent were able to make up for lower incomes by saving less and borrowing more, and for awhile, the economy indulged them with rising asset prices—first in the stock market, then the housing market—and falling interest rates. But this was not sustainable. Eventually, interest rates hit zero, households spent all their savings, incomes couldn’t keep up with debt payments, and asset prices stopped rising. Hence, the Great Recession.

The only real solution is to pay them higher wages.

Here’s how Hanauer frames it: “If the typical American family still got today the same share of income they earned in 1980, they would earn about 25 percent more and have an astounding $13,000 more a year. Where would the economy be if that were the case?”

When those workers earn more, they also invest in health and education, making them more productive. They’re also less likely to go out on strike, resulting in less uncertainty and more investment. Higher wages also force companies to invest more in advanced technologies that reduce costs, increasing productivity and global competitiveness.

More equal societies also don’t have to waste resources on what the economist Samuel Bowles calls “guard labor,” employing people to keep the lower classes in line. Bowles estimates that one in four Americans are working as guard labor, everything from factory supervisors to police officers.

And our government is more likely to invest in public resources that we all need to be productive—infrastructure, research and development, safety and quality standards—if all Americans feel that they’re “in it together” and not separated by class, and thus they’ll all benefit from the investments.

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Anthony W. Orlando is a Lecturer in the College of Business and Economics at California State University, Los Angeles. This op-ed is an excerpt from his new book Letter to the One Percent, published this month by Lulu Press, Inc. To learn more, visit www. LetterToTheOnePercent. com.

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The 1% is Hogging So Much of Our Income That It’s Holding the Economy Back (Original Post) Hissyspit Dec 2013 OP
See tonights segment on Mellisa Harris Perry on income inequality Left Coast2020 Dec 2013 #1
yep. all the walth in coffers of largest corporations and wealthiest families--dead weight loss Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #2
hogwash they say Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #3
You go, Hissy! snot Dec 2013 #4
I agree. Who is doing the math for them??? blue14u Dec 2013 #8
The thing is, the greedy are not givers. QuestForSense Dec 2013 #14
Unfortunately, as they acquire more wealth, their greed tends to increase exponentially.nt ladjf Dec 2013 #22
Speaking of Romney, remember the 47% video JHB Dec 2013 #29
After the first $100 million or so, the money itself doesn't matter, it's your status in "the game." tclambert Dec 2013 #13
They don't care about US markets any more.. sendero Dec 2013 #19
An unlimited growth economy would destroy the biosphere. Sirveri Dec 2013 #40
Bingo!! nt 2naSalit Dec 2013 #42
And the great owners... leeroysphitz Dec 2013 #5
It's holding OUR economy back. The 1% has demonstrated that they don't CARE about that.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #6
Let's not forget... dchill Dec 2013 #7
It's not going to change until we quit enabling them. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #9
If the typical family had $13,000 more a year, where would the economy be? tclambert Dec 2013 #10
I've been saying this for years... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #11
The top 1%... nikto Dec 2013 #12
There is also a tremendous amount of money to be made without producing any actual value. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #35
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Dec 2013 #15
k&r for the truth. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #16
Imagine Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #17
And their austerity solution lets them hog even more. eom. Festivito Dec 2013 #18
The Rich are Worthless rock Dec 2013 #20
It appears to be the Scarcity Principle at work. ananda Dec 2013 #21
CEO's work for stock holders ...not employees. L0oniX Dec 2013 #23
Eventually even the stock holders get left holding the bag. PassingFair Dec 2013 #25
Thank You for posting this. Good read. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #24
I've been repeating this mantra since Reagan. It is called capital hoarding. Coyotl Dec 2013 #26
The problem is people think rich people spend...but they don't they save VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #27
The wealthy also spend on the wrong things Coyotl Dec 2013 #30
They buy land at pennies on the dollar...they hoard that too... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #32
The price of land in some popular hunting areas is now beyond the reach of farmers Coyotl Dec 2013 #33
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #28
du rec Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #31
Hence the need for Fed's QE's-to compensate for the $ lost to the hoarders nt ErikJ Dec 2013 #34
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #36
George Carlin was right - it's a big club and we're not in it. Initech Dec 2013 #37
Have you ever played monopoly? SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2013 #38
Greedy pig Walton family has as much wealth at the bottom 40% of USA. JEB Dec 2013 #39
"The only real solution is to pay them higher wages." reformist2 Dec 2013 #41
It appears that 2naSalit Dec 2013 #43
All of you describe pieces of the economic puzzle, but you fail to see the big picture. AdHocSolver Dec 2013 #44

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
1. See tonights segment on Mellisa Harris Perry on income inequality
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:16 AM
Dec 2013

John Nicholes and David Kay Johnson are the guests--especially John who makes point pertaining to TPP. You'll have to sift through about 1/3 of way in online.

And may I add--in referrence to something this topic many months ago, the banks are estimated to be holding $2 trillion in assets which could go into the economy. If that happened, I'll bet ya unemployment would be at 5%...not 7%. But we all know its much higher than that.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
2. yep. all the walth in coffers of largest corporations and wealthiest families--dead weight loss
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:17 AM
Dec 2013

is the economic term used.

snot

(10,525 posts)
4. You go, Hissy!
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:46 AM
Dec 2013

How do the 1% expect to keep getting richer, if they keep us too poor to buy anything?

Since the 70's, excessive man-hours, plus tech advances, have created vast wealth, virtually all of which has been scraped off by the 1%. (I.e., we've been looted.)

It can't continue; and the stupid thing is, it's not even in the best interests of the 1% for it to continue.

If all the unemployed were working, and we were all making decent wages, we'd all be being productive, and we'd ALL be able to buy more stuff, and EVERYONE's standard of living could rise -- even the 1%!

We could go from a looting economy to an unlimited growth economy.

blue14u

(575 posts)
8. I agree. Who is doing the math for them???
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:39 AM
Dec 2013

Something has to give. There is just no way to continue this
selfish greed of the 1%...

During the last election I was so sacred of what
would happen to us had Romney been elected. I still believe it would be so much worst for us had the repuks won the WH. The thing is, we are still being screwed...

WTF!!!!

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
14. The thing is, the greedy are not givers.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:18 AM
Dec 2013

They won't give an inch, and they don't give a damn. Even to their detriment. We've returned to the age of the robber-barons, literally. Which is why we need honest people in Washington and not their minions, who are faithful only to their corporate masters. People forget that fascism IS corporatism, and that's what we've got now. Until that changes, better get used to it.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
29. Speaking of Romney, remember the 47% video
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

Now, ignore Rmoney, and just think of his audience.

Did any of them (and I'm sure they all think of themselves as "savvy investors&quot question any of Romney's claims and assumptions?

When he spoke about the factory in China, and said he was told the fences were to keep people out, did any of them ask "And you just believed what the salesman told you?"

Did any of them take issue with he characterization of the 47% who (after all legal deductions and credits) have no federal income tax liability as "wanting the government to take care of them"?

tclambert

(11,086 posts)
13. After the first $100 million or so, the money itself doesn't matter, it's your status in "the game."
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:09 AM
Dec 2013

Just like some people get hooked on online MMPRPGs, some get hooked on the Wealth Game. Making more dollars may seem like winning, but our biggest playesr now look at it another way. They want a bigger piece of the pie (ideally, the whole pie for just one person). That definition of winning doesn't require making the pie any bigger, just taking more pie from everyone else. In fact, one obvious game-playing strategy involves limiting or decreasing the wealth of the other players. And here's a trick for doing that: allow the other players to easily borrow lots of money (from you) to temporarily feel like they still have some wealth. Eventually, the debt will crush them, they will realize that they now have NEGATIVE wealth, and that you "own" the debt.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
19. They don't care about US markets any more..
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:22 AM
Dec 2013

... they is plenty to be made in China and India etc. Why do you think they are so keen on all of these "free trade" agreements?

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
40. An unlimited growth economy would destroy the biosphere.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:28 AM
Dec 2013

We can not consume 7 times the amount of resources that the earth is capable of producing and expect that to last forever. There is a solution, but I don't see the social organisational development needed to make such a solution occur.

 

leeroysphitz

(10,462 posts)
5. And the great owners...
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:14 AM
Dec 2013

And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulates in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. - John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath, Ch. 19

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. It's holding OUR economy back. The 1% has demonstrated that they don't CARE about that....
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:25 AM
Dec 2013

BTW: Money at zero percent is what one would expect of third world currency. It's like we're saying it's worthless.

Greenspan did that to get investors to dump Treasury Notes and move their money into the private sector,...where it could be ripped off.

tclambert

(11,086 posts)
10. If the typical family had $13,000 more a year, where would the economy be?
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:49 AM
Dec 2013

Economists might start using a "p" word we haven't heard much in the last few decades--Prosperity. (You younger readers, under 40, might not have heard of this word. But I swear I didn't make it up.) Economists actually used to debate over how to exactly define prosperity. Does it require growth? Should you include non-economic factors like health and happiness in the definition? But they would all agree we haven't seen anything close to it in a long, long time.

Another archaic term economists of yore used to talk about is a "rising standard of living." It seemed pretty popular in the 1960s, but has mostly fallen out of use today.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
12. The top 1%...
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:05 AM
Dec 2013

Probably assume they will just move on to sell to foreign markets once the US economy has been
as fully plundered and drained, as they can accomplish.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
35. There is also a tremendous amount of money to be made without producing any actual value.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:58 PM
Dec 2013

Some "markets" are greater in value than the entire global economy. Plenty to be made just betting on the action.

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
17. Imagine
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:45 AM
Dec 2013

You are 45-60 years old and you never spent much time with your family because you thought love was amassing wealth they can inherit, they don't know you and you don't know them but you feel as though you are doing the right thing by your family hording as much as possible.

You do that by making workers work harder for less, cutting corners in your product so it cost less to make, avoiding paying taxes basically stealing the future of the company ( and the nation for that matter) you manage, own or invest in so you can amass as much as you can before you retire and die.

The super wealthy even buy elections to make this happen because they see it as a quick returning investment just like everything else, its not a conspiracy its just people stealing the future of everyone else to give to their family's because they never understood what it was like to love or be apart of a family so for them love=money sick i know. Sure some see it as a game and you can add that to the equation but in the end they think they are doing the right thing, that's why unless we force them it wont change, we will be left with a hollow husk of a economy and a nation.

ananda

(28,860 posts)
21. It appears to be the Scarcity Principle at work.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:54 AM
Dec 2013

There's a huge fear operating under all that greed and sociopathy.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
25. Eventually even the stock holders get left holding the bag.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:38 PM
Dec 2013

The CEO's are working for the hedge funds who buy up the DEBT
they create with their bloated salaries and useless layers of management.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
26. I've been repeating this mantra since Reagan. It is called capital hoarding.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:43 PM
Dec 2013

But, a real problem is capital leaving the US economy to pay for their consumptive habits.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. The problem is people think rich people spend...but they don't they save
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 01:35 PM
Dec 2013

which takes money out of circulation in the economy.

What really drives an economy is a well paid Middle Class...who DO spend money...thus circulating from merchant to merchant who in turn create jobs to compensate the increased business

Thus it is a strong Middle Class that are the job creators...not the rich at all!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
30. The wealthy also spend on the wrong things
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 03:15 PM
Dec 2013

They hoard capital AND resources, building castles with enough material to house ten or more families for example.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
32. They buy land at pennies on the dollar...they hoard that too...
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 03:47 PM
Dec 2013

I had a friend...now deceased...who made his fortune in the eighties when in his words "there was blood in the streets" and he bought alot of it up.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
33. The price of land in some popular hunting areas is now beyond the reach of farmers
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:25 PM
Dec 2013

because there are so many rich Republicans spending their Bush tax cuts on private hunting land.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
39. Greedy pig Walton family has as much wealth at the bottom 40% of USA.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:13 AM
Dec 2013

We need to levy stiff taxes on high incomes which would be an incentive to put that money to work rather than just hoarding and piling up the interest and dividends.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
41. "The only real solution is to pay them higher wages."
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:47 AM
Dec 2013

This needs to be the core of the new new deal - along with it, price controls on things like rent and health care that aren't really "free markets" and where price gouging is rampant.

2naSalit

(86,612 posts)
43. It appears that
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:30 AM
Dec 2013

hoarding all the money was the plan in the first place. Anything else is just jerking the yoyo string for fun.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
44. All of you describe pieces of the economic puzzle, but you fail to see the big picture.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:55 AM
Dec 2013

The underlying assumption is that the 1 percent just don't understand what they are doing to the economy.

If the 1 percent would only understand that they are hurting the middle class and that this will negatively affect them in the long run, then they would stop hoarding assets, stop outsourcing jobs, raise the minimum wage, pay their fair share of taxes and invest in infrastructure and education. This is wishful thinking, and if left to the "good will" of the 1 percent, it will never happen.

The preponderance of evidence indicates that the 1 percent know exactly what they are doing, and they are working diligently to bring about the worst case scenario for the middle class.

Why? Because a large, well-educated, and politically active middle class is necessary to a democracy, and the surest way to bring about a dictatorship is to destroy the middle class.

The war on the middle class is not about increasing wealth, it is all about establishing absolute power.

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