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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 11:54 AM Dec 2013

Have you changed your mind about Snowden?
















14 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
No, he's still a hero
8 (57%)
No, he's still a zero
0 (0%)
No, he still did a service
0 (0%)
No, he still did a disservice
5 (36%)
Yes, I now think he's a hero
0 (0%)
Yes, I now think he's a zero
0 (0%)
Yes, I now think he deserves thanks
1 (7%)
Yes, I now think he did a disservice
0 (0%)
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Have you changed your mind about Snowden? (Original Post) ProSense Dec 2013 OP
Kick! n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #1
I would've had more respect for him if he only released documents pertaining to domestic spying. politichew Dec 2013 #2
Another. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #3
Hell no! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #4
Kick! n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #5
Thank you Mr. Snowden! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #6
Hey Snowden, have you gotten your Christmas cards from Ron & Rand Paul yet? great white snark Dec 2013 #7
Hero. And, I hope he shines even more light on the roaches at NSA and their enablers. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #8
No vote Prosense? hmmmm Logical Dec 2013 #9
Kick! n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #10
I have developed a greater respect for him RFKHumphreyObama Dec 2013 #11
 

politichew

(230 posts)
2. I would've had more respect for him if he only released documents pertaining to domestic spying.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:51 PM
Dec 2013

But he didn't.

Much of the stories generated by these leaks have been about spying on foreign countries, which I always suspected and supported. It doesn't violate our 4th Amendment and should have never been disclosed. The most important commodity to intelligence agencies and intelligence gathering is secrecy.

I'm not so concerned about the collection of data as I am about how that data is used and accessed. Any reforms should keep the gathering in place, but strengthen areas of weakness that would allow for abuse of power.

There's a potential for abuse of power in every area of government, but does that mean we should advocate drowning it in a bathtub? HELL NO. People calling for nothing less than the dismantling of the NSA/CIA can't be taken any more seriously than folks that are perfectly fine with these agencies as-is.

Snowden did start the conversation. We can't deny that. But the conversation is more important than the man. He will always be a criminal that betrayed his country, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the conversation and implement necessary reforms.

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
7. Hey Snowden, have you gotten your Christmas cards from Ron & Rand Paul yet?
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:38 PM
Dec 2013

You've been a good little Libertarian soldier this year.

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
11. I have developed a greater respect for him
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:11 PM
Dec 2013

If only because he's revealed that both sides of politics and the intelligence agencies in my country have been engaged in some really dodgy and shady dealings. And it's been amusing to see our new right wing government showing its utter incompetence in handling the fallout


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