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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:08 PM Dec 2013

Think again, men

THIS week’s Lexington column is on the “marriage gap” in American politics. There are 53m unmarried women of voting age in America, and they are spectacularly loyal to Democrats. In the 2012 presidential election, unmarried women accounted for nearly a quarter of all votes cast. Their votes went decisively to Barack Obama, by 36 percentage points.

You might not think that a group that runs from not-yet-married college students to inner-city single mothers and divorced professionals had much in common. Yet strategists and pollsters report that—even after controlling for such variables as race, age, religiosity and income—marital status is a powerful predictor of Democratic voting (whereas married women and older widows lean slightly Republican). The key to the puzzle appears to involve attitudes to government safety nets, and a shared sense among unmarried women that they are trying to survive without any back-up in a harsh, increasingly insecure economy (unmarried women are disproportionately likely to work in jobs which do not offer health cover, for instance). Put another way, the conservative battle-cry of “Leave me the Hell alone” sounds different when you are literally on your own.

Regrettably, your columnist did not have room in the column for a brilliant polling anecdote that came up during interviews for the piece. It comes from Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who has done a lot of work on unmarried women, and what makes them tick. Ms Lake described a survey she conducted of married couples, asking whether both spouses always voted the same way. Oh yeah, said 73% of married men (chests swelling as they answered, it seems safe to assume, shoulders back, and thumbs jammed in their belts). The wives' response? Just 49% said yes.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/12/marriage-gap

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Think again, men (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2013 OP
The anecdote that forms the last paragrapgh of this OP truedelphi Dec 2013 #1
i've known women who voted very republican within the safety of that 2nd income Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #2
I've known lots of women who think they should be princesses. Usually, they vote republican. haele Dec 2013 #3
Your last sentence . . . Brigid Dec 2013 #5
yep Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #6
BAM. there it is. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #4
Empathy being the key word Major Nikon Dec 2013 #8
I am too. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #9
Having a hard time finding the point. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #7
Then again, men are not a monolith seveneyes Dec 2013 #10
I can state with 100% certainty that my Wife and I vote pretty much the same way. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #11
It's the same for me Major Nikon Dec 2013 #12

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. The anecdote that forms the last paragrapgh of this OP
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:59 PM
Dec 2013

had me laughing mao.

Yeah, guys we vote exactly as you do because...

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
2. i've known women who voted very republican within the safety of that 2nd income
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:47 PM
Dec 2013

They didn't care about repro rights, civil rights, safety nets or any liberal ideals.

haele

(12,650 posts)
3. I've known lots of women who think they should be princesses. Usually, they vote republican.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

When you have someone taking care of you all your life - even if you have a job and are contributing to that nice life with that job - and don't expect that to change, it's very easy to be afraid that someone else is going to take that away from you - and vote conservative to keep the peace and remain protected.

Comfortable people only act when their source of comfort is being threatened.

Haele

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
4. BAM. there it is.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:53 PM
Dec 2013
The key to the puzzle appears to involve attitudes to government safety nets, and a shared sense among unmarried women that they are trying to survive without any back-up in a harsh, increasingly insecure economy (unmarried women are disproportionately likely to work in jobs which do not offer health cover, for instance). Put another way, the conservative battle-cry of “Leave me the Hell alone” sounds different when you are literally on your own. 


Those not living it and lacking in empathy are repukes.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
8. Empathy being the key word
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 09:19 PM
Dec 2013

I'm convinced that the less empathy you have, the more likely you are to be Republican, and those on the far end of that spectrum (sociopaths) are pretty much universally so. Being a civil libertarian doesn't mean liberty trumps all other considerations. Libertarianism is just the veil they use to mask their selfishness and hate. The Republican's father and son team that they regard as the biggest champions of liberty are both slavery apologists. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
9. I am too.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 09:32 PM
Dec 2013

The far end being sociopaths or other emotional impairment.

For some reason, "libertarianism' seems to regarded as "cool" in some way, by some people.

As our numbers increase and competition for survival hits ever more individuals, the social darwinists will fight harder to gain power and keep their own asses alive.

Unless we can create a "renaissance" or another "age of enlightenment"....

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
7. Having a hard time finding the point.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 09:12 PM
Dec 2013

1) Single women vote for Democrats. Okay, I got that.
2) Married women vote for Republicans. Okay, I got that too.
3) Wives don't vote like their husbands? Uhh...

It has long seemed to me that they way to build a republican-proof future is to convince married men to vote our way. It's a two-for-one deal.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. I can state with 100% certainty that my Wife and I vote pretty much the same way.
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
Dec 2013

but if not, that's her business.

Usually I'm the only one who takes the time to read the voter guide, though, so she usually asks me who to vote for for county dogcatcher, etc.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
12. It's the same for me
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:57 AM
Dec 2013

We live in Tarrant county, Texas which is one of the most wingnutty areas of the state. You have a choice between wingnutty Republicans, Looneytarians, and sometimes there's a Democrat on the ballot. So outside of primary elections and referendums the choices just aren't that difficult.

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