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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:52 PM Dec 2013

If You Believe the Government, ‘You’re Stupid’



If You Believe the Government, ‘You’re Stupid’

Americans are taught the myth that their democracy is safeguarded by an independent press. But the government and other powerful entities have long mastered the art of manipulating the major media, even to the point of bluntly telling reporters the facts of life, as Jon Schwarz recalls.

By Jon Schwarz
ConsortiumNews.com, Dec. 18, 2013

Everyone who watched John Miller’s “60 Minutes” segment on the NSA should follow it up with this story involving Morley Safer — who, at 82 years old, is still a correspondent at “60 Minutes”:

In August, 1965 Safer appeared in what became one of most famous TV segments of the Vietnam War, showing U.S. troops setting fire to all the huts in a Vietnamese village with Zippo lighters and flamethrowers.

A year later in 1966, Safer wrote an article about what he’d seen firsthand during a visit to Vietnam by Arthur Sylvester, then Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs (i.e., the head of Pentagon PR). Sylvester met with reporters for U.S. news outlets at the U.S. Embassy in Saigon:

There was general opening banter, which Sylvester quickly brushed aside. He seemed anxious to take a stand — to say something that would jar us. He said:

“I can’t understand how you fellows can write what you do while American boys are dying out here,” he began. Then he went on to the effect that American correspondents had a patriotic duty to disseminate only information that made the United States look good.

A network television correspondent said, “Surely, Arthur, you don’t expect the American press to be the handmaidens of government.”

“That’s exactly what I expect,” came the reply.


SNIP...

And word was passed to Safer’s superiors at CBS that “Unless you get Safer out of there, he’s liable to end up with a bullet in his back.”

CONTINUED...

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/18/if-you-believe-the-goverment-youre-stupid/

If the nation's press had been told the truth, 58,220 Americans and untold millions more Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians wouldn't have died for a lie in Southeast Asia.

PS: The article above includes links to details and Mr. Safer's original report.

PPS: Glad the First Amendment still resonates at ConsortiumNews -- and DU.
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If You Believe the Government, ‘You’re Stupid’ (Original Post) Octafish Dec 2013 OP
this would be a good time to donate to ConsortiumNews. grasswire Dec 2013 #1
Thanks, grasswire. ConsortiumNews allows DUers to post entire articles... Octafish Dec 2013 #2
Huge K&R! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #3
Thank you, Enthusiast! Octafish Dec 2013 #4
And the media behaves as if Enthusiast Dec 2013 #6
Octafish, please never abandon us here at DU. Kurovski Dec 2013 #5
Happy Holidays, Peace, and Joy to You and Yours, Kurovski! Octafish Dec 2013 #11
I misread the title as "If you believe IN government, you're stupid." It is sad that pampango Dec 2013 #7
Trump l' oeil of letters... Octafish Dec 2013 #13
K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #8
Government Propaganda is un-American. Before 9-11 and USA PATRIOT Act it was Illegal. Octafish Dec 2013 #14
Excellent post. woo me with science Dec 2013 #16
Great sentiment. CanSocDem Dec 2013 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #10
K&R Coyotl Dec 2013 #12
kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #15

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. this would be a good time to donate to ConsortiumNews.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:03 PM
Dec 2013

Bob Parry has been walking the talk for decades now, after being blacklisted for telling the truth.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. Thanks, grasswire. ConsortiumNews allows DUers to post entire articles...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:10 PM
Dec 2013

...because of DUers' generosity and support over the years. The great DUer BLM made the original arrangements.

What DU and We the People get out of it is all what Corporate McPravda fail to cover and report. For starters: NAZI-CIA; October Surprise; Bush-Moon Axis; Corporate McPravda...

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Thank you, Enthusiast!
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
Dec 2013

From Safer's article:

As a friend of mine puts It, “The brass wants you to get on the team.”

Personally, the part that got to me, is the willingness to express violence toward the nation's press -- in 1965. Killing the truth seems to be part of the warmonger mindset.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
6. And the media behaves as if
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:49 PM
Dec 2013

the Gulf of Tonkin and Iran-Contra incidents never happened at all. This nation is in a world of hurt.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
5. Octafish, please never abandon us here at DU.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:15 PM
Dec 2013

Thank you for years of challenging, in-depth posts

Happy holidays!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Happy Holidays, Peace, and Joy to You and Yours, Kurovski!
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:18 AM
Dec 2013

It is an honor to stand with you in the fight to restore Justice and Democracy.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. I misread the title as "If you believe IN government, you're stupid." It is sad that
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

we can believe IN government (unlike libertarians or anarchists) but not believe THE government.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. Trump l' oeil of letters...
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:31 AM
Dec 2013

Our minds save time by helping speed information processing by skipping what's expected. It makes seeing who wears sheep's clothing that much more difficult. Two important practitioners are Cass Sunstein and Philip Zelikow.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. Government Propaganda is un-American. Before 9-11 and USA PATRIOT Act it was Illegal.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:47 AM
Dec 2013


Like the Whos of Whoville, we need to keep our voices sounding together to have a chance at being heard over the propaganda, paid for and catapaulted by the same set who own and operate Washington.

So, to help spread light, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio:



Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda

The Attack on Democracy


The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.

John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.

Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.

This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.

SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html



The audio is a must-listen. While the names aren't changed to protect the guilty, the message and how it relates to our current pickle shows who and what counts.

http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3

Helps explain how Democracy devolved into its current condition and what we need to do to move forward, starting with putting the "Public" into Airwaves again. This article fills in more detail and carries the ball forward into our day a bit more:



The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making

Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis

Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.
Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy – as in true democracy – places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society – locally and globally.

From the late 19th century on, the “threats” to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.

Yet for all the efforts, organization, indoctrination and reformation of power interests, the threat of democracy has remained a constant, seemingly embedded in the human consciousness, persistent and pervasive.

In his highly influential work, The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind, French social psychologist Gustav Le Bon suggested that middle class politics were transforming into popular democracy, where “the opinion of the masses” was the most important opinion in society. He wrote: “The destinies of nations are elaborated at present in the heart of the masses, and no longer in the councils of princes.” This was, of course, a deplorable change for elites, suggesting that, “[t]he divine right of the masses is about to replace the divine right of kings.” Le Bon suggested, however, that the “crowd” was not rational, but rather was driven by emotion and passion.

An associate and friend of Le Bon’s, Gabriel Tarde, expanded upon this concept, and articulated the idea that “the crowd” was a social group of the past, and that “the public” was “the social group of the future.” The public, argued Tarde, was a “spiritual collectivity, a dispersion of individuals who are physically separated and whose cohesion is entirely mental.” Thus, Tarde identified in the growth of the printing press and mass communications a powerful medium through which “the public” was shaped, and that, if managed appropriately, could bring a sense of order to a situation increasingly chaotic. The newspaper, Tarde explained, facilitated “the fusion of personal opinions into local opinions, and this into national and world opinion, the grandiose unification of the public mind.”
The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the “public” and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.

The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and “experts” armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape America’s “democratic propaganda” throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.

CONTINUED...

http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making



The deceitful messages are difficult to discern, but the messengers stand out the second they open their traps.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. Excellent post.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 12:23 AM
Dec 2013

We are incessantly propagandized. While investigative journalism has been under deliberate, sustained assault, a massive and creepily interactive propaganda machine has been grown to take its place.

It is disturbing as hell.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
9. Great sentiment.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:26 AM
Dec 2013


And an important reminder of how reluctant the MIC is to inform the public of its' 'nation building'.

Bush1's Gulf War was the introduction of a new strategy of utilizing the press to, not just "inform" but to SELL the public.

CNN stole the show giving their 24/7 audience an artfully crafted justification for an aggressive oil war. So it has become "If you believe CNN, you're stupid."

But, like you say, and we appreciate...

"Glad the First Amendment still resonates at ConsortiumNews -- and DU."


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