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and subject to the 50% premium increase?
This is all a limited search turned up:
Seattle Weekly.com By Nina Shapiro Tue., Feb 12 2013
Smokers received some bad news recently when a little-noticed provision of President Obama's health care overhaul got a good look. Some may have choked on their cigarette to find out that they can be charged up to 50 percent more for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. Here in Washington, where marijuana use just became legal, that raises a new question: Does the penalty apply to pot smokers?
Stephanie Marquis, spokesperson for the state Insurance Commissioner's office, says the federal rules aren't entirely clear yet. The feds are in the process of creating a definition for smoking, which Marquis expects will mostly tackle issues like how often you need to smoke to be labeled a smoker. Once in the last twelve months? Once a day? But she doesn't expect that the feds will delve into whether there's a difference between tobacco and pot.
Nor does Washington state law, which already allows insurance companies to charge smokers more, although only by up to 20 percent. "My understanding is that smoking is smoking--whether it's cigarettes, cigars or pot," Marquis says.
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http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/thedailyweekly/942662-129/marijuana
It's important because a Cannabis smoker could pay non smoker premiums thinking they are insured and then something happens and when they go to use their insurance they find out that they aren't covered.
Premiums paid, no insurance when actually needed, and perhaps being sued for fraud. That's a possible outcome of not checking the right box on the application.
Cannabis smokers might want to think twice about whether they can claim non smoker status- especially if they have a state card or have posted evidence on places like Facebook or even here on DU. A simple blood test would reveal THC, although not necessarily smoked THC. Then there is the fact that all citizens are under 24/7/365 NSA surveillance.
Anyone know the official policy?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but if you think this is a good ploy to turn young folks away from the ACA....nice try Rand Paul...otherwise if not, you might want to put the bong down and let the high mellow out a little...think good thoughts, maybe breathe into a paper bag and please pass that bong this way...
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)should help!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hot tip - go to healthcare.gov and look at the question.
See the word "tobacco".
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)then compare that to whether we clicked the "smoker" or "non smoker" button?
What about those people who vaporize or eat brownies or cook with marijuana butter?
You'd think they'd have better things to do with their time.
Your concern is duly noted.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Smart folks might stop smoking all plants and save the money and feel the better health for clearer lungs.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I told her "yeah, pot." She said "That doesn't count" and continued to the next question.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)not "smoking." I don't know why the Washington state insurance commission spokesperson wouldn't know this. Here is more info:
http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance/20130716/how-affordable-care-act-affects-smokers
..."What is ''tobacco use,'' and how is a smoker or tobacco user defined?
Tobacco use is the use of any tobacco product, including cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, and pipe tobacco, four or more times a week within the past 6 months. (Religious or ceremonial use of tobacco is allowed, such as by Alaska natives or Native Americans). It's an honor system."... (more at link)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you have, then you know that the question is specific to tobacco.
It's amazing how much uninformed blather there can be over something that takes a few minutes to check the facts.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)the particles of cannabis smoke are larger than those of tobacco (you can see this yourself; cannabis smoke is denser, thicker, and whitish, not grey). They aren't inhaled as deeply. Longterm studies of heavy cannabis smokers have shown that while there can be some effect on the lungs it's nothing compared to the effects of tobacco. See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802821
bhikkhu
(10,716 posts)which included smoking, chew, and snuff. E-cigs aren't considered tobacco, and mary-jane certainly isn't.