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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 09:38 PM Dec 2013

I usually do this sort of thing in the Lounge, but since it's X-Mas, Ask Me Anything

Tonight's theme is to ask me to clarify statements that I've made that you're concerned about.

I just want to make sure that I'm understood as much as possible.

My standard disclaimer is that you may or may not like the answers I'll give you, but I will give them to you to the best of my all too limited abilities.

Have at me!

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I usually do this sort of thing in the Lounge, but since it's X-Mas, Ask Me Anything (Original Post) MrScorpio Dec 2013 OP
you want I should kick your solicitous ass, MrScorpio? Skittles Dec 2013 #1
Not at all MrScorpio Dec 2013 #2
OMG I a while back I was at the Austin airport Skittles Dec 2013 #11
FINE but don't oogle just tell me...do these trunks make me look fat? Drew Richards Dec 2013 #3
You don't need any assistance in that department at all. nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #6
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Mr. Scorpio. madinmaryland Dec 2013 #4
Happy Holidays to you too! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #7
I liked your Yusef Lateef post in the lounge. panader0 Dec 2013 #5
Sure will, in a sec nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #8
I absolutely abhor Xmas... HipChick Dec 2013 #9
I take it that you're the gift that keeps on giving, right? nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #10
you want I should kick your Scrooge ass, HipChick? Skittles Dec 2013 #12
Hey...I am calling backup now..he's going to kick your butt HipChick Dec 2013 #15
I will kick sand in his face Skittles Dec 2013 #23
So you are one of those people Bill O'really warned us about with doc03 Dec 2013 #13
We shall go on to the end... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #14
Mr. Scorpio, I have the feeling I posted something that ticked you off OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #16
We're cool! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #19
Merry Christmas! I've always wondered where you got your music education. nolabear Dec 2013 #17
Check out the links in my sig line MrScorpio Dec 2013 #20
Why do you hate women and men? WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #18
Happy Holidays, Pal! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #22
LOL WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #25
You seem to enjoy stereotypes... Are you a stereotype? XRubicon Dec 2013 #21
Only in the eye of the beholder! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #24
Merry Christmas! XRubicon Dec 2013 #27
Did you know…sometimes I play this song while the Mr. and I are getting ready for the night? Tikki Dec 2013 #26
The Classics! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #30
No question right now. Just want to say I think you're awesome! BainsBane Dec 2013 #28
Well, thank you very much MrScorpio Dec 2013 #31
How many degrees of seperation are you from... GReedDiamond Dec 2013 #29
Two MrScorpio Dec 2013 #33
Unbelievable!!! GReedDiamond Dec 2013 #36
When do we drive our Ferraris? flvegan Dec 2013 #32
On second thought... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #34
That's a promise. flvegan Dec 2013 #35
Why did you feel the need to condescend and insult with nearly a thousand words when all it cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #37
Well, I guess it's time to put our serious hats on, 'cause it's time to get serious. MrScorpio Dec 2013 #39
Off tonight's theme, but what the hell -- "Blue Train" or "Giant Steps"? Codeine Dec 2013 #38
Giant Steps, my fave! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #40

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
11. OMG I a while back I was at the Austin airport
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

I was stuck for a while and gazing out the window and had such a feeling of deja vu - HELLO!! Been so long I forgot!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. I liked your Yusef Lateef post in the lounge.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:12 PM
Dec 2013

But you didn't mention that he died today, age 94 I believe. Can you write about Lateef? Most have not heard of him.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
9. I absolutely abhor Xmas...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:19 PM
Dec 2013

tomorrow is major gift giving, and I haven't bought anyone anything,including my parents...I was just going to stick a big bow on my head and call it a day...my gift to them is me.. I don't belief in material gifts representing Xmas...
Should I be worried?

doc03

(35,363 posts)
13. So you are one of those people Bill O'really warned us about with
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:44 PM
Dec 2013

your war on Christmas. It's Christmas not fucking Xmas.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
14. We shall go on to the end...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:48 PM
Dec 2013

We shall fight in French Lick, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
16. Mr. Scorpio, I have the feeling I posted something that ticked you off
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:36 PM
Dec 2013

...so rather than ask you anything, I will offer my apologies, and wish you a Merry Christmas.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
17. Merry Christmas! I've always wondered where you got your music education.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
Dec 2013

Your taste is varied and great fun to learn from.

I hope the season finds you happy and content and the New Year brings you more of the same.

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
26. Did you know…sometimes I play this song while the Mr. and I are getting ready for the night?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:53 PM
Dec 2013



Happy ____ DU


Tikki

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
28. No question right now. Just want to say I think you're awesome!
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:04 AM
Dec 2013

You post a lot of really thoughtful OPs, and I especially appreciated your "I'm a man" post yesterday.

You are indeed a man, and a damn fine one.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
37. Why did you feel the need to condescend and insult with nearly a thousand words when all it
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:59 AM
Dec 2013

might have taken could have been (I'm referring to your post "I'm a man"...)

"Dudes...

Approach EVERY social transaction with a female from the viewpoint of SHE'S YOUR EQUAL."

I don't know who you are, but I know you are convinced you're waaaay smarter than me. You might be. You PROBABLY ARE on some level, a LOT of levels maybe. Truth be known though? When I meet someone who lords their intelligence over me in the way you did in your "I am a Man" post, you come off as a person I can't respect. Is it not enough for you to BE smarter than me, do you have to go out of your way to try and PROVE it to the world, simply because our opinions diverge on a certain topic? Truth be known? I wouldn't buy a glass of beer to throw into your mouth if you were sitting next to me and your TEETH were on fire after you had made a statement to me such as the post you made this morning.

You're "all that" to a bunch of people here, but to me? You're condescending and at times insulting. At other times, you're jumping on bandwagons. You jumped on a bandwagon in the context of the "gender war". No doubt about it.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
39. Well, I guess it's time to put our serious hats on, 'cause it's time to get serious.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 02:40 AM
Dec 2013

Somewhere in all of this, I don't know exactly where, you got the impression that I'm making this about you in particular. Now, why that's the case, I'd like you to explain it to me where I singled you out for for criticism. Because, what I wrote there, was written in general terms.

Now, I want to point out one thing, I didn't write that to be liked, or even to jump on any kind of bandwagon. As a matter of fact, I have some differences with some of the folks who agreed with my OP when it comes to other issues, like about porn, BDSM, consensual sex, what's offensive and maybe one or two other things. So when it comes to this so-called "Gender War," I want to be clear, I'm only speaking for myself and I'm only speaking for myself in addressing OTHER MEN in the matter of unwelcome, non-mutually consensual, harassment and intimidation of women.

And that was written as a way for me to inform other men, and ONLY those men, who would use their own male privilege in order to treat women disrespectfully and harass them, that I, as another man, find that conduct objectionable. It was not addressed to all men everywhere, only a certain sub-segment of bad actors.

This is NOT what I was doing:

- I was NOT demanding that all men apologize for being men
- I do NOT believe that being a man is bad or wrong
- I was NOT asking all men to be ashamed of being men
- I was NOT asking all men to feel guilty for being men

Now, I may have been blunt about it… But frankly, I care very little about beating around the bush when addressing bad and enabling behavior against women.

Instead, I was using my own male privilege as a backdrop to other men, whom either engaged in bad behavior or inserted themselves into the conversation in a way that enables bad behavior to do one thing: Check that privilege at the door.

So, what does that mean?

- When men, from their position of male privilege, are inserting themselves into a conversation where they shouldn’t be, simply because they are going out of their way to justify and enable bad behavior by other men… They should recognize that the correct stance is to simply acknowledge what they are doing, apologize and stop it.

- These men should NOT be making the pain of women suffering from harassment about themselves, especially when they are NOT being directly accused of doing that... They should acknowledge what they are doing, apologize and stop it.

- When men, from their position of male privilege, justify and enable bad behavior of other men, they are belittling the pain of women who have to suffer because of that behavior... They should acknowledge what they are doing, apologize and stop it.

- Lastly, when men, from their position of male privilege, are making the fears, concerns and troubles of women who suffer from harassment less important than their own annoyance about them talking about their experiences... They should acknowledge what they are doing, apologize and stop it.

If you think that I was accusing you in particular of harassing women, well, you are wrong. I was not. I really don't know where you got that idea. Do I want all men to apologize for having male privilege? No, I never asked that either.
Do I want the guilt of having male privilege? No, not that either. None of these things are going to help matters.

Instead, it's quite clear what the problem of male privilege is, it blinds those who have it from understanding the extent of the effects that has on others who do not have it… But ONLY if they CHOOSE to be blinded in that way.

I choose not to be blinded. My choice should NOT infer that you are using your own in a bad way. Only YOU can make that declaration.

AS I said, I don't want your guilt. It does no good… As a matter of fact, the guilt only makes things worse, because it creates a reaction that does nothing except enable and justify bad behavior. It simply makes things worse.

Also, as to what you wrote to me; my advice to you is to not make it about yourself. It's not about you, your name wasn't called, no one's name was called. If you never engaged or enabled in the harassment of women, where are you exactly IN this conversation? I'm a bit confused by that, I have to say. You can insert your own self into the conversation, but I was very clear when I said that men, from their position of privilege, who inserted themselves into the conversation in order to enable and justify bad behavior were doing nothing more than whining and ONLY those men should shut the fuck up and listen to what the women were telling them.

It's not about me thinking that I'm smarter than you or anyone else. Frankly, I really don't care about that at all. I know for a fact that there are many other DUers who are smarter than myself and more educated, so for me, I am ill-equipped to engage in any kind of brainy pissing contest. I wouldn't even know where to start. Yes, I can be harsh… But I'm harsh because I want to cut through the crap. I don't have the patience to coddle people who should have no justification for their own actions.

Lastly, again, this is not about you. But you can make it about yourself. You can also stand up with the women who are being harassed and abused by other men. You can say that that is wrong and that there's absolutely no excuse for it. You can stand with others whom you may not always agree with, but agree with them on the issue that harassment and enabling behavior is bad and shouldn't happen. You can add quality to women's lives, in spite of the fact that they have to live everyday under the weight of a world bound by male privilege. Even if other men and society itself creates excuses to say otherwise.

If you really want to make it about yourself, you can make it about what's right and not about feeling guilty, because you think that someone is else accusing you in particular of making it wrong.



 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. Off tonight's theme, but what the hell -- "Blue Train" or "Giant Steps"?
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:09 AM
Dec 2013
Giant Steps for me, but only because "Naima" is the the most perfect ballad I've ever heard.
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