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kentuck

(111,089 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:54 AM Dec 2013

How popular is the Republican Party with the American people??

According to some polls, they are less popular than hemorrhoids.

Given that fact, why do the Democrats have such a tough time beating them in elections?

It's like an old sway-back mule running in the Kentucky Derby. We could run just about any horse in the lot and beat them. But we don't. Instead, we decide to enter the blind billy goat.

This is the Party that gets us into unnecessary wars with lies. This is the Party that cuts unemployment benefits. This is the Party that refuses to raise taxes on the wealthy. Heck! They refuse to even close the loopholes that amount to about $100 billion dollars per year. They have declared war on women. And they let their gun nut supporters kill our small children in their classrooms and they are silent.

How difficult should it be to beat these people?

Democrats are fearful of losing the Senate next year and have no plans to win the House either. Their major hope is to hold on to the White House in 2016. In other words, maintain the status quo.

Does it really have to be this way? Is this the best we can do against a Party that shut down our government and shit on its people?

Why can we not gain an advantage against such politics?

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How popular is the Republican Party with the American people?? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2013 OP
More popular than ACA FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #1
I really do hope they will run against ObamaCare. It will be their Waterloo. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #27
Oh it has gone into effect alright - Rates have increased and so have deductables FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #31
I guess that depends on where you are and who governs your State. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #37
My rate went up less than it did last year catbyte Dec 2013 #57
ACA will be President Obama's Apollo 13; the GOP is America's Katrina ... napkinz Dec 2013 #40
K&R! eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #45
ACA Success Stories napkinz Dec 2013 #41
Bookmarked! BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #44
DU member SHRED has started a thread ... napkinz Dec 2013 #46
And another great post bookmarked for future reference. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #47
you're welcome, BlueCaliDem napkinz Dec 2013 #49
posted by ProSense napkinz Dec 2013 #52
The real SCANDAL is what's happening in the red states ... napkinz Dec 2013 #48
I hope that prompts them into rethinking voting for those bastards. In MI, even catbyte Dec 2013 #58
The problem is those who are being hurt in those red states are the very napkinz Dec 2013 #59
No party is popular with the American people. onehandle Dec 2013 #2
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #15
But that is so....."radical".... kentuck Dec 2013 #20
agreed, the people who's benefits were just cut blame congress...period spanone Dec 2013 #50
diebold and other electronic voting machines Chrom Dec 2013 #3
Do you really think? kentuck Dec 2013 #6
When we try to expose fake elections, Democrats are shut down by authoritarians or fake Democrats Chrom Dec 2013 #17
Bags like these? Yep, rigged elections are indeed part of the problem. Scuba Dec 2013 #24
The GOP has become a caricature of itself. lpbk2713 Dec 2013 #4
Great Question-The ONLY Question, Perhaps fredamae Dec 2013 #5
One can only assume that we are just as bad as the Republicans... kentuck Dec 2013 #7
Well, Dems Do Not Argue fredamae Dec 2013 #12
GOP surges ahead of Democrats in 2014 generic ballot progressoid Dec 2013 #16
Well, Polls are kinda funny fredamae Dec 2013 #21
Republicans are willing to use propaganda and pure lies as their marketing technique. Kablooie Dec 2013 #8
+1 gulliver Dec 2013 #39
We don't fight for anything but the status quo truebluegreen Dec 2013 #9
I don't understand it Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #10
I have the feeling OnionPatch Dec 2013 #11
The American people (especially white Americans) ... dawg Dec 2013 #13
+1 JoePhilly Dec 2013 #30
C'mon dawg, do you really think that even a majority of white people...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #33
They think that way in roughly the same proportion ... dawg Dec 2013 #34
Oh, same here. Being old and white, I get their "unvarnished" opinions..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #35
And they are saying that the Republicans have the advantage in 2014. What does this tell you world wide wally Dec 2013 #14
I'm going to catch a lot of flack over this but... Savannahmann Dec 2013 #18
No flack from me. longship Dec 2013 #19
K&R! KoKo Dec 2013 #22
We can not gain an advantage against such politics Enthusiast Dec 2013 #23
Very ProSense Dec 2013 #25
Republicans win because they have propaganda and voter suppression liberal N proud Dec 2013 #26
Republican propaganda isn't confined to Fox "News" Channel. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #29
The rural lands rarely see anything outside of a small bubble. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #55
Like the punch-line to the old joke rock Dec 2013 #28
As popular as Poison Ivy is as a houseplant. CanonRay Dec 2013 #32
It's FOX fadedrose Dec 2013 #36
They're way too popular for our tastes really chungking34 Dec 2013 #38
Some polls are more equal than others ... oldhippie Dec 2013 #42
We need to envision an America with no Republican power. gulliver Dec 2013 #43
Because of stupidity. AlinPA Dec 2013 #51
Let's REMIND the American People ... napkinz Dec 2013 #53
Vote BLUE in 2014! napkinz Dec 2013 #54
GOP: Wrong For America napkinz Dec 2013 #56
Dems are polling worse FreeJoe Dec 2013 #60
the facts ... napkinz Dec 2013 #61
The Party Of No napkinz Dec 2013 #62
Too many Democrats are addicted to blind billy goats. nt LWolf Dec 2013 #63

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
27. I really do hope they will run against ObamaCare. It will be their Waterloo.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:04 AM
Dec 2013

If respectable State Universities can be bought and paid for by the AlwaysWrongRight to produce studies to promote and propagate Ayn Randian "you're on your own, buddy" ideology, then commercial polls are easy pickings.

It's important to remember that the PPACA hasn't gone in effect yet. Once it is fully implemented and the people will enjoy the peace of mind of having affordable health care insurance, and the GOP run against it, it will be their downfall just as running against Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is today. And that's their greatest fear.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
31. Oh it has gone into effect alright - Rates have increased and so have deductables
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:32 AM
Dec 2013

and that is all the American voter is going to think about at the voting booth

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
37. I guess that depends on where you are and who governs your State.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:29 PM
Dec 2013

Our rates have not gone up, and our deductibles are lower than last year's. But then again, we were sensible enough to vote for a Democratic Gov and gave our legislature a 2/3rd Democratic majority, so the Covered California exchange was properly set up which resulted in lower premiums that translated into around 40% savings for us.

Which State are you in?

People will LOVE their health care through ObamaCare, and the only people who believe that this could backfire on Democrats are Republicans, Republican trolls, Teabaggers, and other paid shills for the Koch Bros, Corporate America, and the GOP.

And this will be remembered in the voting booths come 2014.

I stated it already and I'll repeat it again: ObamaCare will be the GOP's Waterloo. I'm sorry you don't agree and appear to hope this won't be the case.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
44. Bookmarked!
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:51 PM
Dec 2013

And thank you for the links, napkinz.

I'm getting really sick and tired of concern-trolls trying to demonize ObamaCare on every site I've been visiting in the hope of discouraging voters from rightfully punishing the lazy do-nothing, Corporate owned and operated Teapublicans (the new and devolved Republicans) who are polluting our federal and state governments and harming the country and the American people in pursuit of giving more wealth to the already obscenely wealthy and connected.

I wonder how much KKKarl Rove and the KKKoch Bros are shelling out to pay for their unpatriotic, anti-democratic services these days? What do you think is the current going rate for selling one's country and countrymen out to Corporatists?

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
48. The real SCANDAL is what's happening in the red states ...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:16 PM
Dec 2013

This should be a NATIONAL story! Shame on the media for their egregious dereliction of journalistic responsibility. The nightly news and the Sunday morning shows are a joke.




The Medicaid gap hits home in red states

Joan McCarter
Dec 9, 2013

The politically motivated decision by Republican governors to refuse the Medicaid expansion money offered under the Affordable Care Act is now being felt every day by people seeking health insurance, and the people trying to help them. It's the dark cloud surrounding the silver lining of a functioning HeatlhCare.gov, and the masses of people now flocking to sign up.

Navigators are forced to tell more and more people that they probably won't be able to get covered because their states, all of which had a GOP-controlled legislative chamber or governor, have refused to expand Medicaid. Lynne Thorp, who is overseeing the University of South Florida's navigator program in that state, told TPM that about one in four people who contact her team fall into that Medicaid gap.

"Those are hardest phone calls because it doesn't make any sense to them," Thorp said. "We have to explain that they fall into this gap where this program can't assist them." ...

Florida and Texas lead the nation in uninsured. The two states also lead the nation in dollars lost by their refusal to expand. Now they'll lead the nation in people really pissed off when they realize that the only reason they can't get health coverage is because they are represented by assholes.

Yes, Obamacare and Medicaid expansion will be campaign issues in 2014 and 2016.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/09/1261429/-The-Medicaid-gap-hits-home-in-red-nbsp-states#





catbyte

(34,376 posts)
58. I hope that prompts them into rethinking voting for those bastards. In MI, even
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:56 PM
Dec 2013

Rick the Dictator saw the writing on the wall & went against the bagger leegislature & expanded Medicaid.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
59. The problem is those who are being hurt in those red states are the very
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 08:50 PM
Dec 2013

people whose votes are being suppressed by Republicans.



onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. No party is popular with the American people.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:00 PM
Dec 2013

Democrats need to get populist and personal.

Populist on economic and social issues (It's working for the Pope).

Personal on exactly what each individual Republican is doing to DESTROY the middle class.

Name them and smear them in their districts.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
15. ^^^this^^^
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013

Indeed ...this is what I hear from repukes or former repukes ... "both parties are bad" ...IMO any party that appeals to living wage jobs for all, single payer health care, making SS better and with an increase, winding down the military to a reasonable level in comparison to other countries, cutting corporate subsides, removing the SS cap, taxing the rich much much more on a sliding scale, breaking up too big too fail and monopolies, biggie here ---> removing money from politics, ...will win the majority vote. I think most people have had enough of this democratic charade.

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
20. But that is so....."radical"....
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:30 PM
Dec 2013


A case in point is the present debate over extension of unemployment benefits. They were able to vote to increase the military spending and inflation increases for veterans pensions but they were not able to get unemployment extended for 1.3 million people. Give me a break! That could have been in the agreement or there should have been no agreement. The truth of the matter is that the Democrats are pulling the wool over the eyes of their supporters because they wanted it for an issue more than they wanted it to help the unemployed. That's the sad truth of the matter.
 

Chrom

(191 posts)
3. diebold and other electronic voting machines
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:02 PM
Dec 2013

even states with paper ballots are often counted through diebold accuvote machines.

When there is a recount, the paper ballots are put through the same diebold accuvote machines.

When there is a hand recount, like wisconsin, bags have the wrong numbers, torn and obviously tampered with, and they still get counted as if they were valid.


It is possible they did not steal it from Obama, cause they wanted to blame the mess they made on him.

That seems pretty obviously the case.

At the same time, they probably stole elections for the tea party nut jobs so that Obama could not make any progress.


If someone told our founders that someday we would be voting on electronic machines owned by private corporations with secret source code....they would think we were the dumbest morons on the planet.

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
6. Do you really think?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:14 PM
Dec 2013

That there is no Democrat anywhere that could investigate these charges and tell the people the facts? Are we really that weak with the American people? What are we doing wrong?

 

Chrom

(191 posts)
17. When we try to expose fake elections, Democrats are shut down by authoritarians or fake Democrats
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:39 PM
Dec 2013

Fake Democratic leaders give some people the impression that elections are not being stolen, but people should understand about infiltrators by now.

'Lenin — 'The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'


Anchorage, Alaska – It’s been more than a year since the 2004 election and the Alaska Democratic Party is questioning the state’s official vote count. Democratic Party communications director Kay Brown says the official results do not accurately reflect the district-by-district totals posted on the Division of Elections Web site. Some districts show more than 200 percent voter turnout.

Brown says in the presidential race, the state’s district-by-district breakdown appears to give President Bush 101,000 more votes than he actually received. State elections officials say the numbers are skewed because early voting for statewide races was based on regional returns rather than by district and they say a municipal election held in Anchorage on the same day also added to the confusion.

“It’s important to note that the information is accurate. It’s just not being reported the way that the Democratic Party would like it
,” said Whitney Brewster of the Division of Elections.

“We think the public has a right to clear, understandable and accurate reports about the election data and that’s just lacking in this case,” said Brown.

The Democratic Party has filed a public records request to get access to the state’s computer file to more closely examine the returns. State officials say they hope to have a better system in place for the 2006 elections.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=405991

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
5. Great Question-The ONLY Question, Perhaps
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:13 PM
Dec 2013

"Why can we not gain an advantage against such politics?"

Well, maybe Dems don't "fight" and run great progressive candidates because they too seek that which the GOP is 100% blamed for?
Consistently "Assuming" the Defensive Position is getting a tad bit old especially when there Are other alternatives....like drawing a line in the sand and Sticking by it?

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
7. One can only assume that we are just as bad as the Republicans...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

or worse? Otherwise, we would be able to appeal to the electorate, would we not? It appears that both Parties are nothing but big piles of shit. If this is the best we can do, we are screwed.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
12. Well, Dems Do Not Argue
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:32 PM
Dec 2013

any claims that they are Simply Slower than the GOP in progressing the Demise of the American Economy, our Environ, Our Rights--in fact they ignore that question all together.

We can do better--but it is "we" who must make those changes happen and part of the problem is that "we" gave up our "power" long, long ago - in part by getting in the habit of "settling" for the "least bad"...instead of demanding, then, better candidates.
Democrats have some serious explaining to do--but they Never will unless and until WE start asking them the questions no one else will at town halls, emails, phone calls, during debates etc.
Imo, collectively, We must also accept responsibility for our Own complacency over the years..Blind Faith (I'm guilty) gets ya nowhere real fast-doesn't even matter Which party you affiliate with.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
16. GOP surges ahead of Democrats in 2014 generic ballot
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013
GOP surges ahead of Democrats in 2014 generic ballot

A new CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday shows Republicans holding a 49 percent to 44 percent edge over Democrats in the “generic ballot,” which asks registered voters whether they would choose a Democrat or a Republican in the midterm elections without identifying specific candidates.

Just two months ago, after the government shutdown, Democrats were up 50 percent to 42 percent. But a month later, the GOP had a narrow edge - 49 percent to 47 percent. The dramatic shift in the political landscape follows the rollout of the federal insurance exchanges, which have been plagued by technical troubles.

One number in particular suggests Democrats are being hurt by President Obama’s low approval ratings: 55 percent of those surveyed said they are more likely to vote for a Congressional candidate who opposes the president, versus just four in 10 who would choose a candidate who supports him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-surges-ahead-of-democrats-in-2014-generic-ballot/


Granted this is a "generic" race, but it does point to a wider problem of dissatisfaction we have.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
21. Well, Polls are kinda funny
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:48 PM
Dec 2013

They're mostly "fun" to read....but they are all only as credible as the person who pays for them is honest.

I'm guessing this far out that they're using these results to scare the electorate a little bit Because of the dissatisfaction-but will it work Again? And from CNN?

And to "blame" the ACA is, imo--priceless. It's as if they think that is the "sum-total" of the problems the Democrats face from with-in. lol

Kablooie

(18,632 posts)
8. Republicans are willing to use propaganda and pure lies as their marketing technique.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:19 PM
Dec 2013

Democrats have limits as to how much hypocritical fantasy they will push.
The GOP have none so will say any lie no matter how outrageous to sway the uninformed.

In a world where the average IQ is 100 the con man is king.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
9. We don't fight for anything but the status quo
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
Dec 2013

because of our corrupted election system. The money people have a primary before the regular party primaries. The only candidates who can get traction are those the money people support. The result is a one-party system: the Business Party.

The Democratic half is better on social issues, but on foreign policy / "defense" issues, economic issues, deficit reduction, anything to do with money they are the same.

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
10. I don't understand it
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:24 PM
Dec 2013

I think they have paid trolls flooding Twitter and FB with propaganda. As well as MSM like Faux News bashing Obama 24/7. It all doesn't help. But then people are smarter than that, and yet they still win elections.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
11. I have the feeling
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:25 PM
Dec 2013

that the polls are not telling the whole story. Yes, the Republican party is relatively unpopular these days, but unfortunately a percentage of those who disapprove of it are disapproving of it for the OPPOSITE reasons we do. They don't think it's right wing enough! Remember, many of the teabaggers don't even call themselves Republicans but they will damn sure be voting for them come election day.

I think it's the same deal with Obamacare. Polls show that a majority don't approve of it, but that doesn't mean they're all against a national healthcare system. Plenty of them (including myself) disapprove of it because it doesn't go far enough. Worded another way and you might find a majority think it's better than nothing.

Unfortunately, there are still plenty of right-wingers left out there, whether they call themselves Republicans or not.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
13. The American people (especially white Americans) ...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:33 PM
Dec 2013

live in a little fantasy world of their own making. Many will say they disapprove of the Republicans, but they'll vote for them anyway, because the Republicans speak to their stupid little fantasies. To them, America is always the good guy. If you work hard, you'll get rich someday. Poor people got that way because they are lazy. Blacks and Latinos are inferior to whites. Being gay is a choice. Going to church makes you a better person. A strong military is what makes us free. Entitlements are something that "other" people get. Most of our tax dollars are spent on "welfare". Most of that "welfare" goes to lazy minorities who could easily get jobs but choose not to. Abortion is the equivalent of the pre-meditated murder of a child. Evolution and global warming are made-up conspiracies designed to promote athiesm. Everyone already has access to health care; Obamacare is just a plot to take health care away from the hard-working people and then kill Grandma. Obama is a Muslim, and a socialist, and an athiest. (And don't forget all those horrible sermons he sat quietly through in that Christian church!) And the Democrats want to take away our guns so they can impose martial law on us. And then we'll all be forced to take the Mark of the Beast (tm), or else be guillotined.

So, how ya' gonna reason with that?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
33. C'mon dawg, do you really think that even a majority of white people......
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 12:37 PM
Dec 2013

think like that? I don't. Yep, there's a bunch of dull normal ones who do and I'm in Tennessee, so I'm around them more than most (look at the state legislature here , but as a whole, this description would maybe cover 30/40% of the white population. They do however have an outsize influence because there's no real alternative offered, especially on economic issues. The only differences the ones who don't pay attention to politics see for the most part are over social issues, issues that make them uncomfortable.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
34. They think that way in roughly the same proportion ...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 01:45 PM
Dec 2013

That they vote repug. I " look" like one of them, so I often hear their unvarnished opinions. I wrote that post just after getting "birthered" by a long time acquaintance.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
35. Oh, same here. Being old and white, I get their "unvarnished" opinions.....
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:11 PM
Dec 2013

all the time myself. I still don't think they're a majority of even the white population though. They do hold outsized influence, but as I said, that's mostly because they aren't offered an actual alternative.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
14. And they are saying that the Republicans have the advantage in 2014. What does this tell you
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013

about how people feel about the Democrats?

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
18. I'm going to catch a lot of flack over this but...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:29 PM
Dec 2013

Look at the successes of the past, and learn from them. Don't over analyze them, just look at them as a more complete overview. Don't make the mistake of dismissing them just because they worked for the opposition.

First that I personally experienced, and can remember is Ronald Reagan. Reagan wanted to enact huge tax reforms, and instead of lobbying congress, went to the people and sold his vision. He used anecdotes, ideals and visions that the people could understand, and grasp. Now, we can make the mistake of debating the effects, and the negatives that resulted. But what did he do? He had a vision, an ideal that existed in his core, he was a true believer, and he was able to express that ideal to the people.

When you talk to a bible thumper, not one of the ignorant believers, but a truly educated believer, one who has studied the bible and the words therein, you are struck with the simple fact that they believe in their very core. There is no debating them, they believe passionately in their heart and soul. The same is true of pilots. When it comes to flying, they feel it as well as understand it logically. It is in their souls.

In 1994, Newt and the Republicans tapped into a sense of frustration in the American People. They formed the Contract with America. I know, it was a publicity stunt, but it worked. Because the Politicians seemed to be listening to the people, seemed to finally understand what the people thought was wrong.

The Reform party was a short lived phenomenon, but again it tapped into a feeling of betrayal by the two main parties and did rather well considering it was upstart outsiders.

Now, consider the election of President Obama. Hope and Change. Yes we can. These were ideals that the majority sincerely hoped would be the catalyst to great new things. The only problem was that the outline was pretty vague as to what those changes would be. So when the details started coming out, the people started to feel betrayed again. Then the asinine comments that ended up being the only sound bites the people got from Congress was even worse, if that is possible.

We won in 2006 by promising an open and responsive Congress. We lost in 2010 because "we had to pass it to find out what was in it" became the battle cry.



In the modern world, with everything you say, and everything you've ever said in the Internet somewhere, you can't be hypocritical in the slightest. In 2004, Steny Hoyer and many other Democrats denounced, properly in my mind, the Slaughter Rule of the deem and pass era. You can find endless quotes online, everyone can.

Then we used it, we used it to pass the ACA. If the RW Radio and Faux News didn't tell us that it was hypocritical, the most basic of browsing on the internet would have. We used a thing we denounced, to get something we wanted. The ends do not justify the means to most people outside of Washington.

We were lucky, they ran Romney, and the bigoted folks wouldn't turn out to vote for a Mormon. If they had run a more acceptable candidate to the RW core, they might have won in 2012. But we didn't take the House back, because all we ran on was that the Republicans were awful.

Do you see what I'm getting at now? President Carter's campaign took place when I was not yet ten years old. Yet I can remember the picture of him standing up there with his smile, and his "Hello, I'm Jimmy Carter" and I've read a great deal of his history. He believed in his core of personal sacrifice, and personal risk. The man went to Three Mile Island to show he was confident that they had the matter well in hand. Nobody since would have, and I doubt anyone before him would have either. Only President Carter could have gone, and only President Carter would have.

Core beliefs are evident to people who view you. Fred Phelps is an unequaled Jackass, but he really believes that nonsense he spouts. We can't always get lucky and hope that a segment of the Republicans stays home and we win by default. We can't have as our battle plan that our one selling point is we aren't the other guys. When you go to a baseball game, it isn't the NY Yankees playing some guys who wondered in off the street. They are playing another team, one who is playing to their strengths, and to the Yankee's weaknesses. They may win, the Yankees might win, but both teams are playing to win on their own strengths.

Right now, the Republicans are playing to win. They are playing to the populist anti ACA mood. That may carry them through the election, and then again it might not. My money is leaning towards the idea that it will. The question I have is will they get enough seats to take the Senate back? I'm leaning towards no, but only just.

Our strength is not that we are not the Republicans. Our strength is our ideals, or the ideals we used to have. We need to learn from those who have succeeded, we need to learn how to express our core beliefs, assuming we have any left in Washington, in a way that works to inspire the public. It's not about slogans, or sound bites. But we have to be smart there too.

Look at Kennedy's speech calling on us to go to the moon again. http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/ricetalk.htm

It wasn't just that we were going to the moon. He laid out the problems we faced. A rocket larger than any we had yet manufactured. A space ship using technology that does not yet exist. Reaching the moon using materials not yet invented. Using techniques we could not yet imagine. Yet the speech inspired a people, Republican and Democrat. it was such an inspiration that even his death would not dissuade the people from this grand quest.

FDR inspired a people, when we were basically on our knees, our teeth for all intents and purposes knocked out. When Churchill spoke to the British People and told the world they would fight on the beaches, the air, the sea, in the hedgerows, the fields. They were so short of material, so much of it had been lost on Dunkirk that they could barely manage to give every soldier a rifle. They could count rounds of ammunition for their shore batteries on one hand. They could not afford the rounds needed to sight the guns in, so they would just wait until they could sight down the barrels and fire at point blank range.

Everyone who knew the truth couldn't imagine how they would muddle through. But one man inspired the people, the leaders of the military, and the Government to stand up and say that they would not surrender.

These were core beliefs of the leaders. These were ideals held in their hearts. Churchill could never inspire the British People to resist Hitler with the ideal that "We aren't them." We would have sued for peace if FDR had said to the American People and the world that we were not Japanese, and that was all you needed to know.

Great Leaders step up when the going gets tough. They go to Three Mile Island and stand facing the danger when everyone else runs away. They don't try and politically wheedle a version of what they want out of soulless political hacks. They turn to the people and say "Let's do this, together, we can do the impossible."

Where are the grand schemes. Where is the desire to push the envelope of the known, and to look at an insurmountable obstacle and snort derisively and announce that you will conquer it. Where is the grand vision that inspires the people. We are human, we can be inspired. We will follow, but we need someone to lead.

President Carter did something quite astonishing, quite unheard of. Kennedy risked his political future, Reagan risked his second term, Newt his position as power broker of the RW. But Carter put it plainly on display. He went there knowing that if he was wrong, he wouldn't live long enough to regret it. But they all invested into what they believed in. That was respected by the people, because we instinctively respect those who are willing to risk it all to try something they believe in.

We can learn from this, first recognize our core beliefs, and second, be willing to risk disaster in presenting them to the people. Because if we win on the "We're not them" platform, we have nothing to point to that the people want, or want us to do. All that is left is the people becoming disgusted with us, and eventually voting for them, because they aren't us.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. We can not gain an advantage against such politics
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:33 AM
Dec 2013

because there are forces influencing the Democratic Party that want to maintain the status quo, even if that means electing fewer Democrats.

The Democratic Party could CRUSH the GOP in 2014 if they chose to adopt the economic populist message.

Look at the popularity of the pope with American Catholics, for example. The people do not want this trickle down, anti-tax, Grover Norquist policy that has become the status quo. The people do not want more of these destructive trade policies. The people do not want the fraudster banks to run roughshod over the American consumer.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. Very
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
Dec 2013

(according to CNN).

I mean, the GOP has a lot to offer them.

Funny thing about Americans: They love the safety net, want single payer and Duck Dynasty, love the Pope, and love Republicans.

Maybe Dems could take a lesson from them?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
26. Republicans win because they have propaganda and voter suppression
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:56 AM
Dec 2013

FOX propaganda coupled with anti voter laws and gerrymandered districts give the GOP the advantage.


BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. Republican propaganda isn't confined to Fox "News" Channel.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
Dec 2013

CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and countless other incorporated versions and affiliates of the above, not to mention about 90% of talk radio, all carry water for the Republican Party.

In rural America, there's 24/7 fire and brimstone political "preachers" yelling at you all day from every channel; Rush Limbaugh is carried on just about every channel in just about every market while Progressive voices are almost extinct.

Yet, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians remain unaffected by the propaganda campaign. Why? Because those communities have their own radio shows, cable shows, blogs, newspapers and magazines where they get their news. Blacks who are paid Republican shills are unmasked and excoriated (think Armstrong Williams) and then dismissed forever as a credible news source. That's why minorities vote 70+ percent for Democrats.

There is an all-out war against the American people, perpetrated by the very same group that wanted to overthrow the U.S. Gov't in favor of corporatism, and they're using our outdated belief that we still have a Fourth Estate against us.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
55. The rural lands rarely see anything outside of a small bubble.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
Dec 2013

Traveling to see the great lakes in the 90's through upstate Michigan, I was able to see first hand the bias in media/culture.
The radio in that area consisted of right wing talk, country music, and tent huckster preachers.

rock

(13,218 posts)
28. Like the punch-line to the old joke
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:09 AM
Dec 2013

The Dems don't have to outrun the bear, only the competition.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
36. It's FOX
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:25 PM
Dec 2013

Americans mostly agree with progressives, but Fox leads in the ratings. So they vote against the Democratic candidates because of the lies told by Fox.

I wonder if the worst offenders could be called on lies or exagerations if the stories were sent to their sponsors and shown to be lies....

 

chungking34

(51 posts)
38. They're way too popular for our tastes really
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

But this is what happens when millions of people are brainwashed by the RW media, especially Faux News.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
42. Some polls are more equal than others ...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:09 PM
Dec 2013
According to some polls, they are less popular than hemorrhoids.

Given that fact, why do the Democrats have such a tough time beating them in elections?


There are polls and there are polls. The only poll that really counts is an election. All others are done for various purposes. The election riggers know this.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
43. We need to envision an America with no Republican power.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:30 PM
Dec 2013

That's really the way to start, imo. Once you envision that America, you will naturally feel dissatisfied with the America we are in.

GOTV 100% and vote out all Republicans in all offices. Vote D down the line. Don't overthink it. We outnumber them. Wipe Republicanism completely out of power in 2014, and you reset the political landscape leftward. America could be America again.

Stranger things have happened. We had a Supreme Court decision that gave George W. Bush and his Republicans the power to Katrina-ize our economy and national standing in the world. So crazy, unlikely stuff happens. Why not get 90-100% of "normal" Americans to the polls and just fire the Republicans?

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
60. Dems are polling worse
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:06 PM
Dec 2013

According to the latest CNN/Opinion Research poll, Reps lead Dems in the generic congressional preference poll 49-44%. That's not good. That's not good at all.

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