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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:57 AM Jan 2014

Exercise Prevents, Treats, Or Cures Basically Everything

Last edited Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:58 PM - Edit history (2)

If there were a drug that treated and prevented the chronic diseases that afflict Americans and we didn't give it to everyone, we’d be withholding a magic pill. If this drug was free, in a country that spends more than $350 billion annually on prescription drugs, where the average 80-year-old takes eight medications, we’d be foolish not to encourage this cheaper and safer alternative as first-line treatment. If every doctor in every country around the world didn’t prescribe this drug for every patient, it might almost be considered medical malpractice.

We have that drug today, and it’s safe, free, and readily available.

Exercise has benefits for every body system; it is effective both as a treatment and for prevention of disease. It can improve memory and concentration, lessen sleep disorders, aid heart disease by lowering cholesterol and reducing blood pressure, help sexual problems such as erectile dysfunction, and raise low libido. Exercise does it all. Even with cancer, particularly colon and recurrent breast cancer, the data show clearly that exercise is a deterrent. Newer studies on a glycoprotein called Interleukin 6 suggests that general body inflammation, a factor in almost every chronic disease, is reduced by regular exercise.

The United States currently spends more than $2.7 trillion, roughly 17 percent of GDP, on a health care system that is financially incentivized to treat disease. The more tests that are run on patients, the more medicines that are dispensed, the more procedures that are performed, the greater the financial burden for us all. Despite far outspending any country in health care, the United States is currently ranked 28th in life expectancy. Our current system does very little to encourage preventive health. We are mortgaging our country’s financial future to pay for increasingly expensive treatments for the same diseases we could effectively delay or prevent.

There probably is such a thing as too much exercise, but I’m much more worried about inactivity. As my colleague Bob Sallis, past president of the American College of Sports Medicine says, “Lack of fitness is the public health epidemic of our time.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/12/exercise_to_prevent_cure_or_treat_disease_cancer_heart_disease_inflammation.html

On Edit: The headline I selected is the one used at Digg. It's sensationalistic, but reflects the reality that most people would be measurably healthier, if only they would get regular exercise. And many common ailments, that were death sentences a generation ago, can be reversed. The headline at Slate is virtually meaningless.

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Exercise Prevents, Treats, Or Cures Basically Everything (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2014 OP
It cures blindness? frazzled Jan 2014 #1
Add exclusive breastfeeding for the first several years of life as nature intended, vanlassie Jan 2014 #4
Years? MattBaggins Jan 2014 #7
yes, years. laundry_queen Jan 2014 #14
I'm sorry but I seriously doubt that years was ever a true norm. MattBaggins Jan 2014 #15
before industrialization, it most certainly was. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #19
Howz about you edumakate yo'sef? Then get back to us with your serious doubts. TalkingDog Jan 2014 #20
nature's form of birth control too Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2014 #38
Of course it was. laundry_queen Jan 2014 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #79
I agree, but I was unable to breastfeed. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #60
The LecheNazi League MattBaggins Jan 2014 #62
Rude AND ignorant. Happy New Year. vanlassie Jan 2014 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #80
I'll be here all year MattBaggins Jan 2014 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #83
Sort of; avoid binary thinking; "cures" is over-applied; nobody says "disease free" Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #17
The header said "or cures everything" frazzled Jan 2014 #43
No. It's in your binary thinking. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #45
Exercise certainly hasn't cured your frazzled Jan 2014 #48
Ah yes, you indulge in a personal attack because you can't discuss the facts. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #50
It wasn't meant to be taken literally AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #25
we will get snow tomorrow. great day to spend in the library. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #28
Not two minutes ago, my wife was just telling me this MrScorpio Jan 2014 #2
I don't know a doctor who doesn't tell her patients to exercise wryter2000 Jan 2014 #3
“Lack of fitness is the public health epidemic of our time. " etherealtruth Jan 2014 #5
Not true alarimer Jan 2014 #6
Very scientific. Mountains of research supporting the health benefits of exercise. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #18
Waiting for the scientific explanation TZ Jan 2014 #24
Waiting for you to stop binary thinking. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #29
Studies for you Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #33
Hope you are recovering! mahina Jan 2014 #59
Exactly. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #86
Nobody is claiming exercise cures virtually everything. You knock down a straw man. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #94
Asthma is another exception. riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #8
But exercise is good for asthmatics mainer Jan 2014 #12
That's not certain at all, even swimming. riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #16
Show us where in the article or in posts Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #26
That's how I interpreted mainer's post. riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #32
Binary interpretation Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #37
Stop. Please just stop. riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #65
Thank you for explaining your situation. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #70
Don't you just love it when people who do not know your medical history Jamastiene Jan 2014 #87
Exercise bullies are the worst I've discovered riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #90
Exercise is good for asthmatics and recommended. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #22
Everything? 99Forever Jan 2014 #9
It's like the word "basically" is actually invisible. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #10
I know, right? BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #23
People are so wedded to binary thinking they ignore qualifier words and phtrases. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #39
yep. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #41
Basically ignores TZ Jan 2014 #27
Exercise doesn't ignore genetic or environmental factors at all. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #46
"basically" in such a context generally means "almost all" HERVEPA Jan 2014 #35
Indeed: it's called an "intensifier" frazzled Jan 2014 #58
Thanks "Frazzled" for the clear and technical explanation of what I was trying to say. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #61
And don't forget the "or". Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #66
I dig what you're saying, except that it is only safe IF... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #11
Exercise turns on a number of good genes via epigenetics mainer Jan 2014 #13
+1. Epigenetics is extremely important and under-reported. It's going to be Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #40
You mean like for the professional athletes TZ Jan 2014 #21
You post yet another straw man and oversimplified response to a large essay Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #42
Well, yea, except for the part that said "Exercise does it all." eggplant Jan 2014 #52
Quote out of context ignores the meaning and the qualifiers and the degrees. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #55
I'm with you on this, Bernardo. CANDO Jan 2014 #71
Tell that to Jim Fixx. eggplant Jan 2014 #30
Another over-simplified nonsensical binary thinking present in the post I'm responding to. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #44
Bwahahahahahahahaha eggplant Jan 2014 #49
Laughter is good for health. You are welcome, even when that's all you got. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #51
The irony of your binary thinking comment makes me laugh. eggplant Jan 2014 #53
When you post exceedingly briefly don't be surprised if it is read in multiple ways. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #97
Bad example. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #99
Excellent book on the topic by Dr. John Ratey Paula Sims Jan 2014 #31
My family and my in-laws are all exercise enthusiasts. Yes, there has been cancer, ALS, and Happyhippychick Jan 2014 #34
Totally overstated pink-o Jan 2014 #36
As a 50 year old cyclist, its close to being true bhikkhu Jan 2014 #47
pnuemonia? diptheria? cystic fibrosis? Huntington's? nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #57
My sister has Huntingtons Tien1985 Jan 2014 #64
Thank your for your post, especially the last paragraph. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #73
All for encouraging exercise and good diet... Deep13 Jan 2014 #92
OK, now I feel sufficiently guilty Madam Mossfern Jan 2014 #63
get yourself some walking fitness DVDs and exercise in front of your TV Skittles Jan 2014 #78
The headline is way too broad nobodyspecial Jan 2014 #67
I was on my way to developing diabetes a couple of years ago. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #68
+1. Change a few details and you are telling my story also. enough Jan 2014 #88
I'm glad it's working for you too. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #91
Exercise is great, but don't care for the misleading headline. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #72
I think it is strange, the aversion so many people have to exercise Skittles Jan 2014 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #77
Works for me. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #81
Exercise is definitely good for everyone (bit misleading OP title tho). mwooldri Jan 2014 #84
Wow, exercise cures cancer? Jamastiene Jan 2014 #85
No, but it plays a role in risk prevention of some times and impact on survivorship is being studied nobodyspecial Jan 2014 #89
That's the second post you binary think "cure" -- all or nothing straw man Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #93
It does not cure cancer BUT it makes you feel better HangOnKids Jan 2014 #98
Way past time for regular exercisers to start cutting reparations checks to fat smokers. eridani Jan 2014 #95
That study was medical costs only and not societal costs and benefits. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #100
Except for the unlucky genetic 10% who show no benefit to prolonged exercise.. kickysnana Jan 2014 #96

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. It cures blindness?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

Congenital heart problems or birth defects? Juvenile diabetes? (This last is a "chronic" disease, and lack of exercise is not its cause.)

I'm all for regular exercise, but it's malpractice to suggest people will be disease free, that they won't get cancer. It may in fact mislead them into not seeking testing or treatment.

Exercise is great, and very helpful to one's health, but it's not a panacea.

vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
4. Add exclusive breastfeeding for the first several years of life as nature intended,
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jan 2014

also free if charge, and you've got something going for you.
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Ducking, but dead serious. And yes it's true, nothing is a panacea. ( I'm not interested in debating the pros and cons in this Beautiful First Day of 2014!)

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
14. yes, years.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

Once upon a time that was normal. My old Ukrainian Baba nursed her kids for 2-3 years, as did I. Most pediatric societies recommend it (here in Canada it says: "exclusive breastfeeding for the first six months of life and continued breastfeeding with appropriate complementary foods for up to two years and beyond.&quot

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. before industrialization, it most certainly was.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jan 2014

It became "looked down upon" once companies devloped infant formula and marketing to "teach" people that their product was more convenient, more "aristocratic" and "better for baby".

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
20. Howz about you edumakate yo'sef? Then get back to us with your serious doubts.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

Ethnographic studies of hunter/gatherer and other pre- industrial societies show that while the duration of lactation varies considerably between cultures and between individual children within a culture, the average duration is between three and five years of age. Here are some examples from Wickes' 1953 survey of various tribes: Australian aborigines, two to three years; Greenlanders, three to four years; Hawaiians, five years; Inuit, around seven years

http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleaderweb/lv/lvfebmar98p3.html

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
38. nature's form of birth control too
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jan 2014

If you are still nursing the last babe, you are far less likely to ovulate and get pregnant again too soon.

Response to MattBaggins (Reply #15)

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
60. I agree, but I was unable to breastfeed.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jan 2014

Formula literally saved my babies' lives... I do not debate the benefits of nursing, but formula is not the devil, either.

I'm leaving this thread now as I am not interested in debating this, either.

Peace out.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
62. The LecheNazi League
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jan 2014

the same ones in the hospitals that ridicule and shame women who have difficulty breatfeeding.

Response to MattBaggins (Reply #62)

Response to MattBaggins (Reply #82)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
17. Sort of; avoid binary thinking; "cures" is over-applied; nobody says "disease free"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jan 2014

Yes, exercise can actually help prevent blindness. Some blindness is due to diabetes and a lot of diabetes is due to obesity which can very much be improved with exercise.

Just because exercise won't "cure" something, that doesn't mean it won't improve the outcomes or quality of life. For example, when a person has congenital heart problems, they might be able to get surgery, but if they don't exercise in life it won't be as effective as it could be. Prevention of illness is much better than getting ill and then getting "cured", and exercise is excellent at helping prevent illness.

Avoid the binary thinking that the word "cure" encapsulates.

Your second paragraph is just junk. Nobody is malpracticing: nobody is suggesting exercise makes people disease free; nobody is saying they won't get cancer. Few if anybody will avoid testing or treatment because they are exercising, so that is yet another red herring.

Even if we accept the premise that some significant number of people who begin exercising will avoid tests or treatment (we don't accept, but even if we did), still the outcomes would be better from people beginning to exercise than they would be by not exercising even if they went for tests and treatments you are afraid they might avoid.

One wonders what the point of your post is. You set up several straw men and demolished them.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
43. The header said "or cures everything"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jan 2014

Exercise neither prevents nor cures "everything." So the straw man was not with me, it was with the headline.

Happy New Year to you, too. Jeezus.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
45. No. It's in your binary thinking.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jan 2014

The word "basically" does not mean 100% or all.

Careful reading takes into account qualifying words and phrases like "basically". Careful thinking does not ignore them.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
48. Exercise certainly hasn't cured your
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jan 2014

insulting behavior--a serious chronic disease that is apparently immune to the generalization.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
50. Ah yes, you indulge in a personal attack because you can't discuss the facts.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014

I consistently refer to the posts or what has been written or a particular application of a specific kind of thinking.

I did not refer to you at all.

I referred to your second paragraph of post #1. I referred to binary thinking. I referred to your post in asking what the point was. I referred to the technique of setting up straw men and demolishing them. I made positive remarks about careful thinking.

When you are ready to debate the facts, without personal attacks or straw men diversions from what has been written, you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

Response to frazzled (Reply #1)

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
3. I don't know a doctor who doesn't tell her patients to exercise
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jan 2014

And I work at a large medical center. We tell people ad nauseam, usually to walk half an hour a day. The trick is getting them to do it.

(Of course, people are so overwhelmed these days it's hard for them to find the time.)

I'm getting on my exercise bike right now.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
5. “Lack of fitness is the public health epidemic of our time. "
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jan 2014

I do agree with that and almost all (if not all) of the article ... I don't think I can get on board with "Exercise Prevents, Treats, Or Cures Basically Everything" ... but it sure does improve a lot

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
18. Very scientific. Mountains of research supporting the health benefits of exercise.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jan 2014

For example, you might think as many do that exercise is basically for the cardiovascular system. Well, there are many studies showing that exercise increases life expectancy for cancer patients and that people who exercise are less likely to get cancer in the first place.

Of course it is also easy to ignore the quality of life benefits from exercise, which are well documented. For example, people have to take less medication and have fewer doctor visits. People end up having to use wheelchairs less and having to use and carry less oxygen.

TZ

(42,998 posts)
24. Waiting for the scientific explanation
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jan 2014

Of how exercise could have stopped the genetic mutation ( likely from an exposure to a carcinogen) that caused my bone marrow to become diseased. Peer reviewed studies please. Alarimer is 100% right. This is an over simplification

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
29. Waiting for you to stop binary thinking.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jan 2014

Even if exercise might not have stop the mutation, it could easily have slowed the progression, and improved outcomes. Or, alternatively, if you are at some level of exercise, a slower level may have cause faster progression and worse outcome.

Further, a healthier body including a healthier liver can purge toxins more efficiently, so that the bone marrow might have been exposed to less toxin and the bit of toxin that might have cause the mutation may have never made it to that marrow.

Few if any cancers are caused by a single mutation in a cell's genome. And it is also likely that several cells would have to be mutated (several times each) to get enough critical mass to overwhelm the body's defenses at that bone.

The people who have been saying "over simplification" against the study in this thread are making the shortest posts and exceedingly over simplified arguments that in several cases suffer from the fallacy of false dichotomy.

Exercise is not either-or / all-or-nothing. Nobody is saying it is a cure-all or a cure. Period.

The fact of the matter is that exercise increases the probability that many many (almost all) illnesses will be improved compared to outcomes when exercise is not increased or is decreased.

When something increases life expectancies by (say) three months or quality of life by some index by (say) five percent on average, then it becomes "a good thing to try", unless there are some specific contra-indications for a patient.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
33. Studies for you
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jan 2014

These are just the first three in the search results. There are many more.

Exercise promotes bone marrow cell survival and ... - ScienceDirect
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301472X12004328‎
by M De Lisio - ‎2012 - ‎Cited by 4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21326381

The hormetic effects of exercise training have previously been shown to enhance cellular protection against oxidative stress. Therefore, adaptations to exercise training may attenuate the harmful effects of radiation induced by oxidative stress. Flow cytometric analysis of genotoxicity (γH2AX foci and micronucleated reticulocytes (MN-RET)) and cytotoxicity (apoptosis and percentage of reticulocytes) were conducted on bone marrow cells {...} Exercise training also significantly reduced basal percentages of cells with activated caspase-3 and -7 and in response to radiation in bone marrow cells (11%, p < 0.05). These results suggest that oxidative stress caused by acute exercise induces an adaptive response responsible for the radioprotective effects of exercise training.


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-09/mu-ebh090111.php

The exercising mice ran less than an hour, three times a week, enough time to have a significant impact on their blood production, says Parise, an associate professor.

In sedentary mice, the same stem cells were more likely to become fat, impairing blood production in the marrow cavities of bones.


Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
86. Exactly.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jan 2014

No one is arguing that exercise is not good for us, but to claim it cures virtually everything is bullshit.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
94. Nobody is claiming exercise cures virtually everything. You knock down a straw man.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jan 2014

The article title is "prevents, treats, or cures". What part of "or" do you not get?

Very little of anything is "cured" by anything. Yet you and others use that word to shoot down a good message. It's binary thinking to focus on cures, to think (as so many posts like yours do) that the "prevent, treats" part of the title and article does not exist. The word "cure" is inherently binary since a sufferer is either cured or not cured. But that kind of thinking is the fallacy of false dichotomy: that the way to analyze something is all-or-nothing. When a person is able to live with cancer for 20 years, that is a better outcome than the person who dies of cancer after ten years. Neither person was "cured", but it is still important and useful to discuss the benefits of living longer than five years and the benefits of living with better quality of life and the benefits of delaying disease onset.

Nobody is arguing exercise cures virtually everything. NOBODY

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
8. Asthma is another exception.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jan 2014

Severe asthma attacks often happen WITH exercise. Doctors don't yet understand why.



This article is misleading and (for asthmatics at least), dangerous.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
12. But exercise is good for asthmatics
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jan 2014

with slow buildup over time, you can increase your exercise capacity. Swimming in particular, because it offers humid air.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. That's not certain at all, even swimming.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:52 PM
Jan 2014

Doctors don't understand the stimulus for exercise induced asthma, or the triggers for severe asthmatics, at all.

I'm the rare adult onset asthmatic, seeing the best pulmonologist in the Chicago region - Dr. Sean Forsythe. I've had a crash course in all things asthma for the past 5 years as this has gotten so much worse. Even he admits to large gaping holes in how asthma works and its relation to exercise.

Telling asthmatics that they simply have to bully through for "slow buildup" to increase exercise capacity is dangerous advice if you have no idea of their condition. Swimming MIGHT work for some as an exercise but even that isn't a certainty nor well understood.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
26. Show us where in the article or in posts
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jan 2014

Show us where in the article or in posts anybody has advocated asthmatics to "simply bully through". I think everyone would advise to stop exercising if a condition shows up and to retrench to a lower level in succeeding days when the condition ameliorates.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. That's how I interpreted mainer's post.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jan 2014

"with slow buildup over time, you can increase your exercise capacity."

That's not necessarily true at all and seems to be saying that if a person just persisted ("slowly" yes, and "over time&quot that it was a given they'd increase their exercise capacity. Yes those were my words "bully through" the breathing difficulties but I thought that mainer's post was implying much the same thing.



You know oftentimes the "condition" doesn't ameliorate on its own. You have to increase the steroid dosages to counteract the asthma worsening from the exercise. More exercise=more steroids=other health problems and around and around it goes.

I DO exercise every day. I have to. I own and operate a 40 horse training farm so I intimately know and understand how exercise works on my body with this condition but I "pay" for that exercise by taking massive doses of steroids which have their own problems. Which is why I see the top guy in the area who admits even HE doesn't have all the solutions for exercise induced asthma. The MORE exercise I do, even incrementally, over time, "slowly", the worse my asthma gets.

Unless you're an MD with knowledge of an individual's asthma, dispensing exercise advice to people with asthma over the internet is a bad idea. YMMV.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
37. Binary interpretation
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jan 2014

"slow buildup over time" does not imply or demand a monotonic increase (no reversals). Three steps forward and two steps backward, repeated every week or month is still forward progress even if 60% of the time there is regression. There are many kinds of slow buildup and almost none of them involve "bullying through". Eschew those few.

Nobody is suggesting that people with pre-existing conditions, that might impact or be impacted by exercise, jump into an aggressive program of exercise without medical advice. Obviously asthma is one that affects exercise and is affected (sometimes negatively) by exercise.

I know this. I once had to carry my chronic asthmatic girlfriend on my back up inclines out of a situation due to her asthma.

It is good that you have found a balance of some kind that helps you in some ways. It is good that you exercise. It would not be good if you stopped exercising.

The balance of benefits from exercise and the costs (monetary and physical) from increased medication is one that an asthmatic has to find for themselves in conjuction with their doctors.

It occurs to me that the dust and bio-matter stirred up and present as you go about your activities (exercise) running the 40 horse farm might be more of a factor in your asthma than the actual exercise involved.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
65. Stop. Please just stop.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jan 2014

Look, I've been tested every way to Sunday and I'm not allergic to anything and its not a factor in the asthma. The docs know what I do and you think they haven't thought of the environment as a factor?

With exercise induced asthma its more like 3 steps forward and 4 steps back. You only get worse the more you do. Doctors are successful with SOME people in figuring out drug regimes that allow a person to exercise but (alas) others like me only get worse the more I exercise.

I have no choice in exercising. Its my job. It comes at the cost of taking 7 different steroids a day that BARELY keep it under control with the coughing sometimes so bad I throw up despite the meds. I've been told to give it up by the doctors but its my entire lifestyle and impossible. My asthma has gotten precipitously worse in the past 6 years.

This isn't "binary interpretation". Its nuanced medicine. You are the one whose dispensing advice about things you don't know anything about.

The OP's title states that exercise cures "basically everything" where the word "basically" really indicates "virtually everything". That's patently not true.

I'm done here. Feel free to have the last word Dr. Frist.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
70. Thank you for explaining your situation.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

Dr. Frist doesn't belong here.

riderinthestorm, I do hope you have better health in the future.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
87. Don't you just love it when people who do not know your medical history
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jan 2014

tell you they can "cure" you with whatever they are ranting and raving about?

Steroids can help, but the side effects are horrendous. I've had to go on them before. They helped my De Quervain's Syndrome a lot, but wrecked my system for a while.

I hope they can find something that will alleviate your symptoms better in the future.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
90. Exercise bullies are the worst I've discovered
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jan 2014

I participate in a high intensity, high risk sport. And its killing me.

My docs are in agreement that it must stop but try telling those who think "exercise" must be the cure-all.

I 110% agree that Americans are too sedentary. The OP's headline and facile approach just got my goat on behalf of me, you and others who are in weirdly nuanced medical conditions.



Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
22. Exercise is good for asthmatics and recommended.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

Severe or extreme or sudden exercise is contra-indicated for asthmatics.

Couch potatoes are more likely to develop asthma or have asthmatic symptoms worsen.

Exercise is never risk free, for anybody. But so is getting out of bed and so is staying in bed.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. Everything?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jan 2014

Well alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightie then.



I'll let the folks at cancer treatment center know.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. I know, right?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jan 2014

What is it with the all or nothing knee-jerk reactions?

Sure it's good to clarify where the exceptions lie, but as a general rule, it's true.

That all or nothing arguing is rampant around here.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
41. yep.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jan 2014

It feels powerful to be *resolute!!!* *decisive!!!*" and angry...

Feels intellectual to play devil's advocate.

TZ

(42,998 posts)
27. Basically ignores
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jan 2014

Genetic and environmental factors entirely. But genes and environment have little influence on stuff right? SMH.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
46. Exercise doesn't ignore genetic or environmental factors at all.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jan 2014

Exercise helps the body deal be more efficient. That means the body gets more out of the genome it was given.

It also means that the body deals more efficiently environmental factors. The body is more able to repair its genome. The body is more able to eliminate toxins and viruses before they reach organs. The body is more able to reduce the toxic load reaching organs. The body is more able to heal organs damaged by toxins and viruses and radiation.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
35. "basically" in such a context generally means "almost all"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jan 2014

Yes. Exercise is obviously generally good.
Clearly it is not a panacea.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
58. Indeed: it's called an "intensifier"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jan 2014

As a former theoretical linguist and a long-time editor, I will concur that "basically" in this context is an intensifier, similar to the overused "virtually" (as in "virtually everything&quot .

But hey, those who accuse others of "binary thinking" (whatever that is: maybe it's the old Marxist dialectical thinking, a good thing! Hegel approves!) are not going to get this, being tied, as they are, to one-track thinking.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
13. Exercise turns on a number of good genes via epigenetics
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jan 2014

it really is the one best thing you can do for yourself.

I've seen one calculator for longevity, and basically it asked only a few things: gender, weight, and resting pulse rate. If you're a fit person who exercises a lot, your resting pulse rate will be in the 60's -- and that was all the calculator needed to know.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
40. +1. Epigenetics is extremely important and under-reported. It's going to be
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jan 2014

Epigenetics is going to prove to be as powerful or more powerful an area of knowledge as genetics. But of course it is intimately entwined with genetics.

Epigenetics explains how two identical twins can have dramatically different outcomes in life despite similar lifestyles.

TZ

(42,998 posts)
21. You mean like for the professional athletes
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jan 2014

Who die young from heart attacks and other genetic issues? Waaaaaay oversimplification. Exercise would not have prevented me from developing my bone marrow disorder. Exercise is good for you, but it's not a cure all.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
42. You post yet another straw man and oversimplified response to a large essay
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jan 2014

... and then you complain about over-simplification.

In a previous post I explained how it is very possible that exercise might have prevented you from developing your bone marrow disorder. Of course we can't say that it would have because each individual case is different and possible does not equal probably or likely, but statistical evidence is compelling that exercise does help.

You set up the straw man "Exercise is good for you, but it is not a cure all", as if anybody is saying that.

Let it be clear, even for you:

We all say exercise is not a cure all.

Nobody is saying exercise is a cure all.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
52. Well, yea, except for the part that said "Exercise does it all."
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jan 2014

but then again, I'm sure that's not what the author meant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
55. Quote out of context ignores the meaning and the qualifiers and the degrees.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jan 2014

The part that said "Exercise does it all" refers to "benefits" (not cures), "effective" (does not require 100% effectiveness to be effective), "improve", "lessen", "lowering", "reducing", "help", "raise". Those are all qualified words, not binary. They are all about degrees of improvement, not all-or-nothing.

Exercise has benefits for every body system; it is effective both as a treatment and for prevention of disease. It can improve memory and concentration, lessen sleep disorders, aid heart disease by lowering cholesterol and reducing blood pressure, help sexual problems such as erectile dysfunction, and raise low libido. Exercise does it all.
 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
71. I'm with you on this, Bernardo.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jan 2014

I'm just stunned at the vehemence of people who seem to be making excuses for not getting exercise. I'm a pretty damned healthy human male specimen at 49 years old. I look back to times in my life where I was almost obese and completely out of shape for lack of good diet and exercise. If you get brisk exercise of any sort on a regular basis...I'm talking breaking a sweat and getting your "second wind", you know and feel its doing your body good. Will I get old and die? Of course! But it'll happen a hell of a lot sooner if I'm a couch potato and scoff at the suggestion of exercise being anything but good for me.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
44. Another over-simplified nonsensical binary thinking present in the post I'm responding to.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jan 2014

Please act on the implication of your post, which would be that a death of an exerciser means everybody should ignore the proven benefits of exercise and should stop exercising. That is what the brevity and terseness of your post implies. Act on it and stop exercising and don't exercise. Or post something meaningful and not so utterly useless as your post.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
53. The irony of your binary thinking comment makes me laugh.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

You think that just because I can make jokes about something that I must 100% disagree with it? Pot, meet kettle.

Response to eggplant (Reply #53)

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
99. Bad example.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:58 AM
Jan 2014

Jim Fixx had a family with a history of heart problems and, prior to his running, not only had an enlarged heart, but also smoked two packs of cigarettes a day, had a stressful occupation, underwent a second divorce and had a not-muscled body weight of 220 lbs.

Paula Sims

(877 posts)
31. Excellent book on the topic by Dr. John Ratey
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain.

http://www.amazon.com/Spark-Revolutionary-Science-Exercise-Brain/dp/0316113514/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388597678&sr=8-2&keywords=spark

A bit heavy on the medical speak, but stick with it. It's sound science. And yes, it doesn't work in ALL cases, but in many it does. It's also not great for weight loss -- diet does the "heavy lifting" on that front.

Oh yea, there is that little part about actually exercising for exercise to work. I'm working on that part. . .

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
34. My family and my in-laws are all exercise enthusiasts. Yes, there has been cancer, ALS, and
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

even some diabetes. But if you look at the lot of us you will see a bunch of rather slim, young looking folks who are dancing like wild at weddings and Bar/Bat Mitvahs (several 75+ year olds!), and enjoying the benefits of growing old. Genetics have given many of us different diseases but exercise and eating well have definitely made a difference. Ignore the naysayers who will demand that if something isn't 100% true then it must be 100% false.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
36. Totally overstated
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jan 2014

But that said, I am a huge advocate of exercise. I run, cycle, have a physical job which requires me to be on my feet 8 hrs a day and constantly moving. And yes, I have peasant DNA that gives me great endurance. So here I am just shy of 60, and have no cholesterol, blood pressure, heart or weight issues.

Exercise also makes me happier: I love being on my bike in warm weather, or just out walking in the city. I love the infusion of energy and the freedom I feel when I run. Humans evolved to cross massive amounts of land, to be constantly on the move and to be able to schlepp heavy loads and run away from danger. We were never meant to spend hours in one position sitting in front of a screen. So no wonder these modern ailments have taken hold of us!

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
47. As a 50 year old cyclist, its close to being true
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

I was sick and tired years ago; two of the guys I worked with were going out on disability for knee and shoulder issues, and a third was taking an early retirement option. I smoked and drank too much, felt like my body was in serious early decline, and didn't have much hope for the future. The one thing I did right was to realize we were too poor to keep up two cars, and that I could save money by bicycling to work, which I used to do when I was younger.

It made a world of difference in our budget. I quit smoking and drinking without much trouble or regret - looking forward to the ride to work and home as the most peaceful and rewarding part of the day. I also looked forward to errands, excuses to get out of the house and into the clean air. Physically things turned around, my knees stopped hurting, and I feel good, and we have money in the bank again. Of course exercise isn't a fixall, nobody's growing back limbs or anything, but I'd recommend it to anyone.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
64. My sister has Huntingtons
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jan 2014

I'm caring for my niece and nephew, always concerned it may turn up in them

I'm all for exercise being encouraged and supported more--actually, a LOT more, in our society. But with or without the "basically" I find this article to be hyperbolic.

I think there are a subset of folks (I am not necessarily talking about the OP or any DU person) to think that because exercise has played such a major role in their life, it would make everyone else's life great too. It often seems like any disagreement gets treated as if the person is lazy or not active enough. Overall, there is at least a subset of those in the exercise camp who bully and demean anyone who doesn't live a very active lifestyle, and all it does is make being active less attainable or desirable.

I do think the cries of "binary thinking" every time someone disagrees with the premise of this article just seem like more of the same.

I think things like ensuring that our schools foster healthy physical ed programs and stop cutting recess back to 20 minutes or less should be a priority. I think a shift to building publicly accessible and maintained playing fields, parks and playgrounds instead of arenas and stadiums needs to occur. I'd personally like to see an effort to get adults to "play", as an emphasis on sports or weight lifting leaves a lot of adults out. It'd be great to see a shift in phys ed programs to, to reflect the reality that some people are never going to be interested in weights or running or sports for their own sake. There are lots of things to try, so why are we always encouraging the same few things?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
69. Thank your for your post, especially the last paragraph.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

It's the kind of positive balanced thinking that moves debate forward while bringing in some imaginative new points.

The premise of the article is that the benefits of exercise are very impressive. Those objecting to the article are not objecting to that premise. They are objecting to the ideas that exercise is "a cure" or "does everything" or is "all we need". Those ideas are not in the article because the article is careful to use qualifiers and qualified words, so attacking "cure", "all", and "everything" is where the binary thinking comes in where the qualifiers are neglected and avoided.

Emphasizing "play" is very positive and makes the exercise pleasurable in and of itself without reference to statistics or long-term benefits.

Response to Tien1985 (Reply #64)

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
92. All for encouraging exercise and good diet...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jan 2014

...and I'm all for public parks and preserving open space for room to do stuff. Generally being less fat is definitely a good thing, but it is not a panacea. We still need drugs to kill infections, to fight cancer, to immunize against other diseases, and hopefully to prevent genetic disorders like Huntington's.

I hope your sister is doing as well as can be expected. Is there any treatment available yet?

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
63. OK, now I feel sufficiently guilty
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

The gym is closed today and it's way too cold out to walk in the neighborhood.

AND

I just ate a wing and a thigh of fried chicken left over from last night.

I need to exercise for my heart, my back, my weight ( a bit ) and to relieve an incredible amount of stress. That doesn't mean that I can stop taking my Warfarin or the stress factors in my life will disappear or my ruptured disc will spontaneously heal. I understand where this article is coming from even though it's a tad overstated.

There's no reason for anyone to get their nose out of joint because of it.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
78. get yourself some walking fitness DVDs and exercise in front of your TV
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

go on:

www.collagevideo.com

www.totalfitnessdvds.com

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
67. The headline is way too broad
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jan 2014

but you can tell from the responses that few bothered to read the article.

Oh, no, somebody is suggesting I get off my butt and exercise. Let's swarm. I should post an article about the benefits of eating more fruits and vegetables and ditch highly processed foods and then we can watch some more fireworks.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
68. I was on my way to developing diabetes a couple of years ago.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jan 2014

I had hypoglycemia and I was obese. Then I started working out. The hypoglycemia went away. I lost 35 pounds (10 more to go before I it my target weight). I feel good every day I work out. I'm starting to like how I look. I work out five to six days a week. I do cardio every day. Every other day I lift weights, focusing on different parts of the body. It was really hard at first to work out. But once you get into a routine, it's really easy to go.

It's amazing to see people nitpick the article's title while ignoring the contents of the article.

enough

(13,259 posts)
88. +1. Change a few details and you are telling my story also.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jan 2014

Blood-work also tells the story. I no longer have to take meds for cholesterol, hypertension, or blood sugar control. Also, my mental outlook is so much better, with energy and enthusiasm as I'm about to hit my 70th birthday.

I think of exercise as my chemotherapy (and my anti-depressant). And if any day I think "oh I don't feel like doing this today," I ask myself whether I would skip a prescribed medication just because I don't feel like taking it that day. The only difference is, I prescribe this for myself.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
72. Exercise is great, but don't care for the misleading headline.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jan 2014

I started eating healthy about 4 months ago adding lots of vegetables, fruits, nuts, and seeds to my diet. I lost 20 lbs. Now, I just started doing yoga. I love how it is improving my balance, strength, and flexibility.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
75. I think it is strange, the aversion so many people have to exercise
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jan 2014

I ESPECIALLY don't understand the folk who wait until they have a heart attack to even THINK about exercising

Response to onehandle (Original post)

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
84. Exercise is definitely good for everyone (bit misleading OP title tho).
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jan 2014

If you have a mental health issue, exercise is highly recommended. I know that from first hand experience... if I feel myself mood-wise going down, doubling down on the exercise does wonders for me. Beats going into hospital any time.

It could also be a specific type of exercise. Research has found that people with COPD can benefit from singing - joining some kind of choir, or group of COPD singers... sure it's not a cure but it exercises the lungs and helps them work more efficiently.

Exercise cannot fix congenital birth defects. I would never consider exercise to be a "cure", and we can't make a claim that exercise treats or prevents any specific ailment. But wind surfing beats channel surfing... planting potatoes beats couch potatoes...

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
85. Wow, exercise cures cancer?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jan 2014

I'll have to remember that. Cancer runs in my family, so it is inevitable I will get it somewhere along the way. I'll have to remember to start exercising so I can "cure" something that runs in my family.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
89. No, but it plays a role in risk prevention of some times and impact on survivorship is being studied
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jan 2014

Physical activity is a critical component of energy balance, the term researchers use to describe how weight, diet, and physical activity influence health (see Questions 1, 2, and 3).
There is strong evidence that physical activity is associated with reduced risk of cancers of the colon and breast (see Questions 4 and 5).
Several studies have also reported links between physical activity and reduced risk of endometrial (lining of the uterus), lung, and prostate cancers (see Questions 6, 7, and 8).
Current National Cancer Institute-funded studies are exploring the role of physical activity in cancer survivorship and quality of life, cancer risk, and the needs of populations at increased risk (see Questions 9, 10, 11, and 12).

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/prevention/physicalactivity

But I'm sure the NIH's National Cancer Institute doesn't know what it's talking about.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
93. That's the second post you binary think "cure" -- all or nothing straw man
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jan 2014

Look, it is NOT inevitable you will get cancer. "cure" is only one thing. You are ignoring the "prevent, treat" part of the headline. You are ignoring the qualifier "basically". Read the title without the word "basically" and read it with the word. Huge difference where "basically" reduces the scope of "everything". (It's not an "intensifier" since there is nothing more intense than "everything" when discussing sets.)

Even if it were inevitable that you get cancer, exercise can delay the onset.

Exercise can slow the progression.

Exercise can make therapies more effective. That would be exercise before and after and sometimes even during.

Exercise helps cancer survivors survive longer.

Exercise helps people not only live longer, but live with a better quality of life.

Exercise improves the quality of life for people who don't live long enough to get cancer. Even if they die because a 16-ton weight drops on them before they catch cancer.

You'll have better health if you drop the all-or-nothing, "cure" or nothing thinking prevalent in all three of your posts in this thread.

Go right ahead. Don't exercise since you are so smart and believe so strongly that it is useless because it won't "cure" the cancer you don't have and might never get.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
98. It does not cure cancer BUT it makes you feel better
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:01 AM
Jan 2014

That is a fact. Try it. I wonder why you haven't?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
95. Way past time for regular exercisers to start cutting reparations checks to fat smokers.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jan 2014

That said, improvements in quality of live are definitely worth spending the extra money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html

Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report.

It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars.

"It was a small surprise," said Pieter van Baal, an economist at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. "But it also makes sense. If you live longer, then you cost the health system more."

In a paper published online Monday in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal, Dutch researchers found that the health costs of thin and healthy people in adulthood are more expensive than those of either fat people or smokers.

Van Baal and colleagues create Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
100. That study was medical costs only and not societal costs and benefits.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jan 2014

People who live longer incur more medical costs, sure.

But they also contribute to society. Many of the volunteer and help charities. Some of them are forced to work, which is productive for society even if it is rather a travesty. Many seniors have grandchildren and pass on their wisdom to them, which is highly beneficial for society. Many care for those grandchildren when parents have work obligations that interfere, which is productive for society.

Finally, in an issue dear to the heart of DU: seniors vote in large numbers bringing their experience to the electorate.

Reparations? It should be the other way (though of course you are being sardonic).

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
96. Except for the unlucky genetic 10% who show no benefit to prolonged exercise..
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jan 2014

I saw a show on that last year.

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