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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:36 PM Jan 2014

Eugene Robinson: The Cruelest Cut of All

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/12/31/the_cruelest_cut_of_all_121094.html

The Cruelest Cut of All

By Eugene Robinson - December 31, 2013


WASHINGTON -- To 1.3 million jobless Americans: The Republican Party wishes you a Very Unhappy New Year!

It would be one thing if there were a logical reason to cut off unemployment benefits for those who have been out of work the longest. But no such rationale exists. On both economic and moral grounds, extending benefits for the long-term unemployed should have been an automatic bipartisan vote in both houses of Congress.

It wasn't. Nothing is automatic and bipartisan anymore, not with today's radicalized GOP on the scene. In this case, a sensible and humane policy option is hostage to bruised Republican egos and the ideological myth of "makers" versus "takers."

snip//

Sadly, cruelty is the point.

The Republican far right perceived the budget deal as a political defeat -- even though it caps spending for social programs at levels that many Democrats consider appallingly low -- because it does not slash Medicare and Social Security. For some in the GOP, accepting an unemployment extension would have been too much to swallow, simply because it was favored by Democrats.

snip//

I wonder if these Ayn Rand ideologues have ever actually met a breadwinner who has gone without a job for more than six months. I wonder if they know that some jobless men and women -- and I know this is hard to believe -- don't have well-to-do parents or even a trust fund to fall back on. I wonder if they understand that unemployment benefits don't even cover basic expenses, much less bonbons.

The Republican establishment doesn't want this to be a campaign issue for Democrats, so it's quite likely that the benefits will eventually be extended. Until then, more than a million households are being made to suffer privation and anxiety -- for no good reason at all. Thanks for nothing, GOP.

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Eugene Robinson: The Cruelest Cut of All (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2014 OP
K&r... spanone Jan 2014 #1
Agreed Galileo126 Jan 2014 #2
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #3
At least there are jobs for troops and drone builders. L0oniX Jan 2014 #4
Yeah! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #8
Yeah, but they also cut the retirement pay for military retirees fasttense Jan 2014 #37
K & R malaise Jan 2014 #5
K&R Eugene! Keep speaking truth to power! Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #6
I like this. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #7
Republican Congressmen - Good Christians? dem in texas Jan 2014 #9
Another problem SCVDem Jan 2014 #10
"a million households are being made to suffer privation and anxiety" BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #11
They reveled in that act - we saw them for what they are. They exhibited wanton cruelty. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #34
This is really hurting the GOP... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #12
What's wrong with cuts? 12ZTR Jan 2014 #13
Hey, did you really expect the GOP to intelligently look at the true ecomomy? What happens when Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #31
Where does that $390 million go? golfguru Jan 2014 #33
KnR Hekate Jan 2014 #14
These rethugs are why the French invented the guillotine kairos12 Jan 2014 #15
Up thumby. DinahMoeHum Jan 2014 #29
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #16
and we don't... ut oh Jan 2014 #17
But, but, but.. Rand Fucking Paul.. asshole sociopath Cha Jan 2014 #18
He says liberty a lot... Blanks Jan 2014 #19
My hero Senator Sherrod Brown on privatization.. :) Cha Jan 2014 #20
The interesting thing to me is the lack of evidence... Blanks Jan 2014 #21
Oh Bull,.. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland etc.. They take care of their people. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #26
What exactly is it that I said that you are calling bullshit on? Blanks Jan 2014 #32
The City of Chicago privatized parking meters about five years ago Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #35
I read something about Chicago parking meter privatization... Blanks Jan 2014 #36
Yes, laughing in their faces is not the way to act, and I should not have suggested it Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #40
The other problem with the parking meter example... Blanks Jan 2014 #41
Oh, you generally can't win arguments with libertarians Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #42
It's like Bill Maher said BobbyBoring Jan 2014 #22
People think that they too will join the ranks of the 1% .. so why vote against their best interest? YOHABLO Jan 2014 #25
It's red meat for their base. Scuba Jan 2014 #23
Those repugs effected by this will simply blame President Obama, sad but true AuntPatsy Jan 2014 #24
Eugene is right as usual. N/t DirkGently Jan 2014 #27
K&R sheshe2 Jan 2014 #28
there is a large group of "humans" in this world who don't feel good about themselves... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #30
Another K&R ewagner Jan 2014 #38
Pugs, the champions of evil. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #39

Galileo126

(2,016 posts)
2. Agreed
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

"Thanks for nothing, GOP." - E. Robinson

"It's a big fucking club...and you're not in it." - G. Carlin

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
37. Yeah, but they also cut the retirement pay for military retirees
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jan 2014

so smart people are staying away from the military because of the crappy pay and the lies.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. I like this.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

"I wonder if these Ayn Rand ideologues have ever actually met a breadwinner who has gone without a job for more than six months. I wonder if they know that some jobless men and women -- and I know this is hard to believe -- don't have well-to-do parents or even a trust fund to fall back on. I wonder if they understand that unemployment benefits don't even cover basic expenses, much less bonbons."

I endured a long term lay off during the rein of Saint Ronnie the Actor. It is stressful beyond belief.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
9. Republican Congressmen - Good Christians?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jan 2014

These are the same people who show up at the Christian conferences to spout their "Christian" talking points, totally forgetting the teachings of Jesus. They should listen to the Pope, he gets it.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. Another problem
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jan 2014

If I get a job I can't afford gas or insurance to get there.

These jerks should try living on cup of noodles.

BumRushDaShow

(128,911 posts)
11. "a million households are being made to suffer privation and anxiety"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jan 2014

Which is what also happened with federal government employees during the shutdown. There was never a guarantee that back pay would be granted when many hundreds of thousands were never reimbursed for earlier sequester days without pay.

It goes to show the sadistic side of those who follow the teabag agenda.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
12. This is really hurting the GOP...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

...and it will hurt them even more as it goes throughout the year. They just have to find a way to persuade their crazies not to gum up the works. Harder than it looks, I know.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

12ZTR

(92 posts)
13. What's wrong with cuts?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jan 2014

There won't be any Rep/Con/Teas affected in any way.
It's a free country,why can't I vote against my own interest? rofl

1.3 X ~ $300.00/week removes $390,000,000/week from the local economies?
Math Pop Quiz:
$390,000,000/week times how many weeks(you supply the number) = ?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Hey, did you really expect the GOP to intelligently look at the true ecomomy? What happens when
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jan 2014

these unemployed people get in the social net which helps those without jobs or resources. At least when you are collecting unemployment you have to actively seeking work.

 

golfguru

(4,987 posts)
33. Where does that $390 million go?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jan 2014

Does it disappear altogether or does it get spent on something else,
such as republican favorites...the military!

ut oh

(895 posts)
17. and we don't...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:19 PM
Jan 2014
I wonder if these Ayn Rand ideologues have ever actually met a breadwinner who has gone without a job for more than six months. I wonder if they know that some jobless men and women -- and I know this is hard to believe -- don't have well-to-do parents or even a trust fund to fall back on. I wonder if they understand that unemployment benefits don't even cover basic expenses, much less bonbons.


...have a bunch of stocks given to us by daddy to cash in when funds are low...

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
19. He says liberty a lot...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

And apparently repeats cliches such as 'the private sector always does a better job than the government.'

He should be your hero.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
21. The interesting thing to me is the lack of evidence...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not aware of a comparison between a service provided by a private company and the exact same service provided by a government entity at any level (city, county, state or federal) having ever been performed.

If such an analysis existed - then those who question the validity of the statement (private sector is always better) could evaluate the 'study' and point out any inconsistencies that existed or variables not taken into account.

...but how do you refute a cliche'? I guess its just another one of those things the conservatives take on faith. Those of us who don't believe in faith based economics just don't get it.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
32. What exactly is it that I said that you are calling bullshit on?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jan 2014

There appears to be a disconnect. Are you saying that in Scandinavia - studies have proven that the private sector always does a better job than the government?

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
35. The City of Chicago privatized parking meters about five years ago
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:47 AM
Jan 2014

2014 is the first year (so far) in which the parking fares have not increased.

The Chicago Transit Authority privatized fare collection for busses and trains about six months ago. The new system has worked so poorly that the CTA has had to issue about a million dollars in free rides.

Whenever a right-wing nut job tells you that privatization always saves money, you can just laugh in his or her face.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
36. I read something about Chicago parking meter privatization...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jan 2014

Not too long ago. It was listed as one of the biggest government abuses by the private sector (similar to prisons).

However, I don't think it's very persuasive to laugh in their faces.

...and, if I were to point out the Chicago parking meter scandal as an example - they would claim that it's because it's the democrats running the government there.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
40. Yes, laughing in their faces is not the way to act, and I should not have suggested it
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jan 2014

Blaming the Democrats for the privatization failure is stupid. You should respond that you thought they supported privatization, so do they only support it when done by Republicans?

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
41. The other problem with the parking meter example...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

Is that your standard run of the mill conservative doesn't believe that there should be parking meters because it is another method of funding the 'wasteful' government.

There are also those that are aware that when some things are privatized it is still government funds that are spent. Usually they're libertarians, and they believe all government services just need to be eliminated.

I don't worry too much about winning any arguments with them (in the sense that they admit that they're right). I only argue with them so that the young people can see that not all older people are buying into the bullshit. I just wish there was a place where a person could point to that compared private sector vs government provided services.

I personally know that they (the advocates of privatization) are wrong because I worked on a bridge that was originally built by a private investor and the (state) government had to absorb the debt because it never made a profit. Apparently quite a lot of mass transit started off as privately owned, couldn't make a profit and the government took over the service.

There are multiple explanations for why the government can't (and shouldn't) compete directly with the private sector, but none of them can be reduced to a tiny amount of text on a little graphic. I'm not sure your garden variety conservative can read anything more than a sentence that isn't put on top of a graphic.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
42. Oh, you generally can't win arguments with libertarians
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

God knows I've tried. The problem I have is they are generally so wedded to their ideology that they refuse to see any flaws in it. I've come to the conclusion that libertarians must be ignorant of history, economics, politics, and the real world in general in order to maintain their ideology.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
22. It's like Bill Maher said
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

"I understand why 1% of people vote Republican"

If people would get out of the bubble for just a day, they would see that these pukes have voted against EVERYTHING that would help the average American and voted for EVERYTHING that helps the wealthiest not only in America but around the world.

We need to put a cease and desist order on the entire party~

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. People think that they too will join the ranks of the 1% .. so why vote against their best interest?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jan 2014

People are insane .. and hood winked by the Right Wing. United States of Stupid ..IMO

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
30. there is a large group of "humans" in this world who don't feel good about themselves...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jan 2014

unless they have visible proof of a class of people suffering more than "they themselves" are suffering. As stupid as that is. They are quite literally sadistic. If they do not see evidence of other people suffering...then that means that "they themselves" must be the ones suffering the most....so they side with the people they believe will ensure them of a class of people they can consider "they themselves" "better" than. They rationalize this away by seeking those that can give them any kind of justification for being that damn selfish...enter the Republican party.

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